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Post by Sharbs on Sept 15, 2020 20:18:11 GMT
watched The Devil All The Time last Friday. It's a good movie, but I would like it more if I hadn't read the book first. It captures the very essence of the book (generational trauma) perfectly, but it strips just about every character as individuals of their nuance. It's narrated beautifully by a surprise voice, making it feel like the most grizzly story-time fable ever put to screen. Acting MVP is Pattinson, some editing choices surrounding his scenes are weird, but he delivers the slime tenfold. -- 7/10, would've loved to have seen Jeff Nichols behind the camera, and in turn, yes -- Michael Shannon as Willard
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Post by Drish on Sept 15, 2020 21:35:50 GMT
How's the rest of the cast esp Mia?
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Post by notacrook on Sept 16, 2020 15:12:21 GMT
Pretty major disappointment, unfortunately. Having freshly finished the (very good) book, I couldn't wait to see how Campos - who's proved himself a pretty solid filmmaker in the past - would tackle such a dark, uncompromising tale. However, his adaptation loses pretty much all of the book's savage bite, and while I appreciated that it generally stayed very faithful to its source material, it all too often felt like Campos was just blandly going through each story beat, with very little synthesis or nuance added to make me actually care about how all the narrative threats intersect and eventually collide.
There are some positives, though almost nothing about the film is a total triumph. The cinematography is nicely crisp and Campos gets some very nice shots, though it all looks a little too nice and pristine - this is a gnarly, scuzzy story and this should have been reflected in the film's aesthetic. Campos has a very promising, talented cast as his disposal, but somehow fails to properly use any of them. Holland and Scanlen were the standouts for me, both giving rather subtle and quietly devastating performances that brought some much needed humanity to this hollow film. Skarsgard, Bennett and Wasikowska do the absolute most they can with next to nothing to work with. Keough and especially Clarke were pretty disappointing, but again I lay all the blame at Campos' feet for completely undercutting that subplot, one of the novel's most striking and haunting. I couldn't have cared less about Stan and his subplot. I'm kind of going back and forth on Pattinson, who as usual is impressively committed and at times perfectly matches the sickening sliminess of his character in the novel, but in other times didn't entirely convince me. Another mixed bag element is the use of Pollock's narration - it's a very nice idea, and his voice has a wonderful gravitas, but at times it feels like it's doing too much of the narrative heavy lifting, and just reminded me how much better the novel was.
The whole thing feels so damn choppy and underdeveloped. I occasionally had this problem with the novel, but to a much lesser extent thanks to Pollock's excellent prose. Here, it just makes everything feel careless and by-the-numbers, meaning that I ultimately finished it feeling that I hadn't really gotten anything out of it. Much of the novel's insight into a post-war world ravaged by corruption and violence is gone, though it occasionally makes its points on generational trauma pretty well, particularly in the genuinely moving and powerful final scene. At least it goes out on a high note. 5
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Post by Sharbs on Sept 16, 2020 15:27:47 GMT
How's the rest of the cast esp Mia? uniformly everyone is present and up to the task given to them, it's just the tasks were fleeting and viewed as another stepping stone to get on with the story with barely any connectivity. Mia's tasks were even less so, sadly. She, LaFarge (who in fact played Theodore) and Bennett were given the absolute bare minimum amount of screen-time to propel their counterpart's story lines. Sad day for us Mia-stans. Melling was the other stand out, even if Campos shafted Laferty the most
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2020 1:05:22 GMT
A really solid-to-strong ensemble and an effective mood is kinda countered at every turn by the fact that the film just doesn't give us time to breathe. So much of the storylines feel pared down to the bone and beyond, much to the detriment of the rich tapestry of characters that Pollock gave us in his superb novel. It feels like there was a four-hour cut that was sliced to ribbons by a cut-happy producer; the constant back-and-forth chronologies work decently enough, but it also doesn't give us enough time with the characters before they're done away with.
And yeah, I'm gonna echo the Pattinson-as-MVP talk because his character didn't suffer for lack of great characterization; pretty much his entire role in the book is on-screen. But no one was bad in it; they just didn't have room to breathe.
EDIT: Also, I really have to give props to Tom Holland. First time that he's ever played a truly adult character (despite Arvin being a teenager), and he was surprisingly convincing with both the accent (even if I still think it was more Alabama than Ohio) and his presence.
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Post by dazed on Sept 17, 2020 1:12:17 GMT
I dug this a lot. I never read the book, so I didn’t have high expectations going in (although I thought the trailer was great). The cast was aces across the board, with Pattinson being the MVP. Cinematography, score, directing, etc was all good too for the most part. Some storylines could’ve had a some more depth added to them, but seeing as this was already a 2 hour and 20 minute movie, I can understand why they weren’t. I would’ve preferred if they added even another 30 minutes of content though.
7-7.5/10
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Post by Viced on Sept 17, 2020 3:32:06 GMT
I liked it a lot, but the masterpiece of a novel obviously deserved better.
None of the characters outside of Willard and Arvin are fleshed out enough for this to be truly satisfying. All of the different characters/stories are blended together decently enough, but some stuff that made perfect sense in the book just seems kind of random in the film.
But overall, I think it does a solid job of conveying the spirit of the novel. DRP's narration was pitch perfect, some great cinematography, and the score's kind of stuck with me too.
The cast is mostly good across the board (why was Mia Wasikowska in this for such a tiny role though? Stephen's four hour cut comment has to hold some weight)... outside of Sebastian Stan (awful) and Pattinson (hard to take seriously with that accent).
Was most impressed with Bill Skarsgård (who... maybe it was just in my head, but kind of seemed to be channeling Michael Shannon in some ways... and sort of channeling DRP's voice too), Jason Clarke (the only scummy character that felt truly scummy), and Tom Holland (despite some iffy mean mugging in one or two scenes). Shoutout to David Atkinson as Uncle Earskell too, who I thought was a strong presence without many lines.
non-skimped-out miniseries for THE HEAVENLY TABLE plz
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2020 3:40:11 GMT
I liked it a lot, but the masterpiece of a novel obviously deserved better. None of the characters outside of Willard and Arvin are fleshed out enough for this to be truly satisfying. All of the different characters/stories are blended together decently enough, but some stuff that made perfect sense in the book just seems kind of random in the film. But overall, I think it does a solid job of conveying the spirit of the novel. DRP's narration was pitch perfect, some great cinematography, and the score's kind of stuck with me too. The cast is mostly good across the board (why was Mia Wasikowska in this for such a tiny role though? Stephen's four hour cut comment has to hold some weight)... outside of Sebastian Stan (awful) and Pattinson (hard to take seriously with that accent). Was most impressed with Bill Skarsgård (who... maybe it was just in my head, but kind of seemed to be channeling Michael Shannon in some ways... and sort of channeling DRP's voice too), Jason Clarke (the only scummy character that felt truly scummy), and Tom Holland (despite some iffy mean mugging in one or two scenes). Shoutout to David Atkinson as Uncle Earskell too, who I thought was a strong presence without many lines. non-skimped-out miniseries for THE HEAVENLY TABLE plz Yeah, I think Campos captured the feel of the novel (even if I would've liked it to look a little grungier; Frailty has the perfect look and feel for Pollock's world) and the more I think on it, the more I liked Pollock's narration. I laughed so hard I had to pause when he just muttered "sick fuck" out of nowhere. It wasn't just you in regards to Skarsgård; it's like he knew the role was tailor-made for Michael Shannon and he didn't want to let us down. I just wish they'd spent more time on him. Honestly, this film kinda begged for the hypothetical Place Beyond the Pines treatment as well (that is to say, a film about the father and a sequel about the son), if not an outright eight-part miniseries. A full hour devoted to Willard and Charlotte would've been lovely. I cut Stan a bit of slack because it's clear that his character was the biggest afterthought of them all, and he was also an eleventh-hour casting . . . but yeah, definitely the weak link.
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Post by Drish on Sept 17, 2020 4:06:25 GMT
Kinda disappointed. It was all over the place and would have worked so much better as a mini-series. The first 30 minutes or so had me really invested and Skarsgård is really good but then it starts to overload stuff and as Stephen said, you hardly get a chance to breathe. After a while, I kinda lost interest in the characters with so much going on even if the cast was committed except Stan (miscast imo) and as much as I like Pattinson, that DELUSIONS scene is so badly acted. Eliza Scalen is lovely and has a great screen presence, Harry Melling was amazing in all of his scenes and Tom Holland carried the movie well, which didn't surprise me given how great he was in The Impossible. I am so disappointed especially with the way they did Keough and Clarke (and Wasikowska too but I expected that) dirty. The book had so much depth in the whole Carl-Sandy storyline, they were terrifying, disgusting and you also felt for Sandy but here it felt so rushed that you get nothing from those two even if Keough did show some brilliance with whatever little she had. Still, it was watchable and I think I would've liked it better too had I not read the book. Oh and that narration was really distracting.
I'll have to read Heavenly Table now.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 17, 2020 5:18:59 GMT
This just wasn't for me. I was all-in on Holland's storyline... but everything else just felt so blah and at some points, incredibly forced. To me, this was a try-hard southern gothic version of The Place Beyond the Pines. Granted I haven't read the book but I'd be willing to bet some money that this would have worked far better as a mini-series.
I must say, I didn't find the time jumps that jarring... just unnecessary.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 17, 2020 8:59:50 GMT
~6.5/10
2nd disappointing version of a truly great book this year (Waiting For The Barbarians is the other) - this movie makes a pretty big mistake early on......when Willard and Charlotte court, have a baby, get a home....... it's clearly not 1952 .......but Kay Starr's "Wheel of Fortune" (used far better in "Let Him Have It" (1991)) from 1952 is playing.
Small thing but if you care that little about that one detail then I guess it's a bad sign and this movie lathers on unnecessary narration and time shifts (and leads you by the hand with quick flashback inserts!) that obscure the connections in the story rather than enhance them. It doesn't feel like the film's/book's title ..........instead it feels like just a bunch of shit that happened to rednecks.......only at the very end are the connections in place for us to do any piecing together at all.
There's very little sense of time passing, place and setting, fate or scope - of God and the Devil actually. Christine was a better film because it was a simpler one that allowed for a great lead performance.......here the performances are perfunctory because there are so many nuances to juggle (and lose) in the plot.
The "Devil" is in the details as the expression goes.........well Campos gets overwhelmed by them and how to present them to an audience too.
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Post by speeders on Sept 17, 2020 11:35:42 GMT
I haven't read the book, didn't get the time to read it before seeing the movie (and realistically probably never would have) but I really want to, as the film almost feels more like a trailer/ad for the book rather than a complete work of its own. That's definitely a near fatal flaw but the film's not a complete flop. It was a decent watch that had the potential to be so much more. The cinematography was nice (but lacking in any standout shots) and some of the story was interesting, it was certainly not boring and the talented cast held your attention. I was most impressed by Kristin Griffith (Grandma Emma), Tom Holland, Riley Keough (barely given anything to do) and kind of Robert Pattinson. Sebastian Stan was really bad. It lacks any memorable set pieces or truly standout scenes to make it truly memorable. Campos seems really overwhelmed by the scope of his story that he seems to have collapsed under the weight. In fact his direction is near catatonic and that's not helped by an insanely overstuffed and underdeveloped script. In cases like this you simply have to kill your darlings. This either needed to be a 6-10 hour miniseries or only adapt the second half of the book like East of Eden (1955). Given how rushed and poorly handled the 40's and 50's segments of the story are handled, and that not a single of those performances or storylines get a room to breathe, I think the film had been much better had it just focused on the 1965 story with Holland, Pattinson, Scanlen, Keough, Clarke, Stan etc. and fully develop their arcs and build the story around that and just shift the rest (so goodbye Skarsgård, Bennett, Wasikowska and Melling -- all doing their very best but given nothing to sink their teeth into). Have like a 10 minute opening scene starting with Charlotte's funeral, leading up to Willard's suicide and then Arvin being "adopted" and then cut to his birthday and take the story from there. 5/10
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Post by Mattsby on Sept 17, 2020 19:10:29 GMT
Agree with speeders - the book wants to be a miniseries, but this movie should've just focused on the Tom Holland stuff. I actually didn't love the book but there's no question it's better than this.... 5/10. Campos who likes the static of fear, sudden perversions, the sense of something rotting or rotten, curious crumbs, etc.... He, surprisingly to me, swings and misses wholesale here. The absence of atmosphere in the scenes and feeling in the locations is its crucial fault, the pacing another, as the first 45min hop around to a ridiculous degree. Its patterns of behavior, the constant deaths and disease, it just feels lazily plated and plays like banal, obvious carves instead of an inevitable whole. Wasted 35mm too. Holland's scenes at least have a point, his conflict underdeveloped but understandable, and Pattinson as usual in his smaller roles is a welcome spike.
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Post by cheesecake on Sept 19, 2020 1:13:58 GMT
Really disappointing -- the final product is so messy and disjointed. This would have been perfect material for a miniseries. They did me wrong with that prayer log especially.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 19, 2020 20:48:59 GMT
Mostly pointless and unengaging piece of cinematic misery. Lots of storylines and characters - but barely any interesting ones. And although in general I disagree with the notion that narration is a bad thing, here it felt really overused. As if no other way of filling up those spaces could be thought of. Weird feeling, having a movie read to you
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 19, 2020 22:20:07 GMT
Yikes, y’all weren’t kidding about this one. Hell, I went in just expecting a disappointing adaptation, but really it was ... kinda awful. There wasn’t a single scene that I liked. Almost none of the cast members felt right to me, though especially baffling to me were Stan (did he know he was on camera??), Pattinson (wtf???), and mostly Tom Holland whose usual “college baseball player who definitely says the n-word at frat parties” schtick is, uh, still not my favorite to put it lightly. Even what elements of good there might have been (Skarsgard, for example) just get completely shafted because this movie somehow managed to find no time for literally anything AND feel way too fucking long at the same time. And all the Bodecker scenes for example felt like they were shot quickly as an afterthought as if the filmmakers forgot that he was, ya know, like the second biggest character of the novel ... the entire thing is such a mess, events aren’t just rushed but jumbled too, I can’t imagine this is easy to follow if you haven’t read the book and it totally eliminates any suspense or sense that it’s building to something.
The worst part might be thought that it may have made me retroactively like the book less ... it wasn’t this rote and uninspired, right?? ... I probably just need to give back into Pollock’s prose for a bit to wash the bad taste out of my mouth.
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Post by LaraQ on Sept 23, 2020 11:58:42 GMT
I really liked this,Battinson was an absolute blast.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2020 12:37:31 GMT
I really liked this,Battinson was an absolute blast. Marvelously Walkenesque
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 24, 2020 17:29:52 GMT
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Post by stinkybritches on Sept 24, 2020 18:36:46 GMT
antonio campos be slippin'. i really liked this guy's previous work, but this one was a mess. pattinson was kinda fun to watch at least.
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Post by thomasjerome on Sept 24, 2020 18:50:56 GMT
I haven't read the book but this was a total bore and completely underdeveloped in everyway. No one from the cast stood out (maybe Riley Keough?) but Pattinson's over-the-top performance was particularly awful.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Sept 24, 2020 20:16:46 GMT
A more appropiate name for this movie would be "A Series of Unfortunate Events: The Movie"
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Post by jakesully on Oct 6, 2020 23:22:15 GMT
Haven't read the book but overall I dug it. After a sluggish start with Bill Skarsgard character (featuring a terrible Southern accent). Seriously , this guy sucks. Sucked as Pennywise and he sucked in this one too), it picks up and gets good. Jason Clarke was good as always, Pattinson was entertaining and Holland really impressed me here. I dug how it all came together in the end.
Solid 7/10
On a side note, I found it interesting that all the co lead actors are all not American .
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