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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 25, 2020 1:42:14 GMT
I... what? If whiteness is inextricably linked to privilege, is Oprah Winfrey white? What is the "fact" here? Are Asians, the richest race in the nation, not privileged because they aren't white? Whatever, man. The left has lost its mind. The world's gone mad today, and day's night today, and black's white today, and day's night today... White privilege is its own thing and one of several privileges. Oprah has plenty of privileges being wealthy as fuck and one of the most famous faces on the planet, but she isn't necessarily white. You can be privileged in some ways and not others - one of the things that came to my mind was Chris Rock a few years back tweeting out selfies every time a cop stopped him (which became a few times over the course of a couple months or so) and other black celebrities responding talking about how they still get pulled over often or downgraded their cars so they wouldn't get pulled over. Also, why Asians are doing well compared to other minorities (mainly when compared to black people) is complicated. I would say they have a different kind of expectation, being seen as the "model minority" - may be a privilege in some instances as they are positive expectations compared to other minorities, but also puts undue pressure on Asians (think the racist stereotype of Asians being really smart and good at math). Thank you for the measured response. I can get behind these statements, more or less. Police profiling needs to stop. Saying that you weren't treated well at a store... grow up, sorry not sorry. As for Asians being pushed to be "extra smart," well... I'm gonna need some proper evidence on how society does that. I've heard of families doing that, but society putting undue pressure on them doesn't compute with anything I've personally seen. That WP article talks about how Asians were given equal pay for equal work, but it doesn't go into detail on what that work is. Did the Asians corner the market on higher-earning jobs of the same education level? High education requirement does not automatically equate to higher pay, and I'm curious on what jobs Asians were specifically doing, and how to correlate that to the current situation today.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 25, 2020 6:10:15 GMT
As for Asians being pushed to be "extra smart," well... I'm gonna need some proper evidence on how society does that. I've heard of families doing that, but society putting undue pressure on them doesn't compute with anything I've personally seen. The book The Asian American Achievement Paradox by Jennifer Lee and Min Zhou provides data that supports this. It discusses cases where the pressure for high achievement some teachers place on Asian students lead to those students describing feelings of failure if that standard wasn't met along with the perception of themselves as "ethnoracial outliers" and distancing themselves from their Asian peers. It also describes instances where teachers will overlook the learning needs of Asian students because they assume that they don't need help. Plus, these students know that their teachers expect them to excel in math and science, so they often feel pressured to pursue those fields at the expense of other interests, thereby restricting their academic options.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 25, 2020 7:03:13 GMT
Well this was a big story recently and you can say this kind of thing is why on cultural issues we're so torn in America - obviously the board leans Left but 40%+ of the country doesn't feel that way on things like this below and it's hard to accuse 40% of the country of being racist (to me at least). This might seem silly - and is treated as silly IN the article (mainstream media dontchaknow!) - but this was a big deal recently and it's also pervasive outside of Yale and if it's part of your life, well it ain't punching up or punching down, it just feels like you're getting punched........black, white, Asian, or Karen. ............btw I think the Left has lost it's mind too since 2016 - on cultural issues at least I haven't turned back on all progressive ideals at all - but in general pacinoyes is on a weird centrist island all his own these days it seems. www.thenation.com/article/society/yale-affirmative-action/The Department of Justice recently accused the university of civil rights violations over the school’s use of affirmative action in college admissions. According to the DOJ, a two-year investigation revealed that Yale systemically discriminated against white and Asian American applicants to the university. My wife and I both work in the same academic field, and the job market has not only become outrageously competitive over the last few years, but it's becoming more and more common for university departments to hire only women and/or people of color based on the fact that our field has historically been dominated by white men (of course this is the case in a lot of other fields too). So as a white male myself, I'm quite aware of how I'm not really what universities are looking for in candidates at the moment..... but it's not something I hold against search committees because I realize it's a corrective measure that's necessary because of the historical imbalance of diverse voices in our field, plus everyone who is applying for jobs in my field is pretty much equally qualified (actually everyone being hired is arguably overqualified as a result of how competitive the job market has become ). Like at this point, I've basically accepted that my wife has a better shot of getting a job in our field than I do because of her gender, but I understand that the discrimination against me is meant to create larger equity. I gotta take one for the team. A few months ago, my wife (who is white) was actually among the finalists for a tenure-track job in my hometown, so we were both excited about the possibility of moving closer to family, but she ultimately lost the position to a very qualified female candidate who is Asian. It was obviously disappointing for us, but not really surprising considering the current hiring trends. Like I said, it sucks on a personal level, but we're sensitive enough to the big picture systemic concerns that we've just made peace with it.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 25, 2020 7:27:38 GMT
As I live in Switzerland, I remember that incident very well. Winfrey admitted she didn't want to spend 38.000 over that bag, so the shop attendant was right... These girls are accustomed to recognize who will pay such money or not, and she showed Winfrey the same bag in other materials (that were some thousands francs all the same btw). My husband went to a jewelry store in Geneva some years ago, after seeing a wristwatch in a window. He was like, I haven't seen the price on it. The attendant replied, our clients never ask the prices.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 25, 2020 9:12:17 GMT
As for Asians being pushed to be "extra smart," well... I'm gonna need some proper evidence on how society does that. I've heard of families doing that, but society putting undue pressure on them doesn't compute with anything I've personally seen. The book The Asian American Achievement Paradox by Jennifer Lee and Min Zhou provides data that supports this. It discusses cases where the pressure for high achievement some teachers place on Asian students lead to those students describing feelings of failure if that standard wasn't met along with the perception of themselves as "ethnoracial outliers" and distancing themselves from their Asian peers. It also describes instances where teachers will overlook the learning needs of Asian students because they assume that they don't need help. Plus, these students know that their teachers expect them to excel in math and science, so they often feel pressured to pursue those fields at the expense of other interests, thereby restricting their academic options. I may check it out. Is that just surveys though? I don't really trust surveys. I have a crap education and I get uncomfortable as a class outlier in my immediate social circle myself. I don't find it "harmful" that more is expected of me (and I'm slowly working on improving myself). My point is that anybody who feels like they're "not as good" as they are expected to be will feel awful about it, but there's a small but manageable stretch to be made to "society expects all Asians are expected to be smart" (which anecdotally isn't true in my immediate social circle, which is pretty heavily Asian) and a further stretch to be made that this is harmful. I dunno, I guess that I always considered self betterment to be a good thing.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 25, 2020 21:43:13 GMT
The book The Asian American Achievement Paradox by Jennifer Lee and Min Zhou provides data that supports this. It discusses cases where the pressure for high achievement some teachers place on Asian students lead to those students describing feelings of failure if that standard wasn't met along with the perception of themselves as "ethnoracial outliers" and distancing themselves from their Asian peers. It also describes instances where teachers will overlook the learning needs of Asian students because they assume that they don't need help. Plus, these students know that their teachers expect them to excel in math and science, so they often feel pressured to pursue those fields at the expense of other interests, thereby restricting their academic options. I may check it out. Is that just surveys though? I don't really trust surveys. I have a crap education and I get uncomfortable as a class outlier in my immediate social circle myself. I don't find it "harmful" that more is expected of me (and I'm slowly working on improving myself). My point is that anybody who feels like they're "not as good" as they are expected to be will feel awful about it, but there's a small but manageable stretch to be made to "society expects all Asians are expected to be smart" (which anecdotally isn't true in my immediate social circle, which is pretty heavily Asian) and a further stretch to be made that this is harmful. I dunno, I guess that I always considered self betterment to be a good thing. From the book description: "Drawing on in-depth interviews with the adult children of Chinese immigrants and Vietnamese refugees and survey data, Lee and Zhou bridge sociology and social psychology to explain how immigration laws, institutions, and culture interact to foster high achievement among certain Asian American groups." I mean I think it's worth considering the value of empirical evidence vs. anecdotal evidence. If someone feels awful for not meeting a standard that's based on a cultural stereotype, that sounds like a harmful effect to me. Self-betterment shouldn't be motivated by feeling obligated to fit a mold.
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Post by CookiesNCream on Aug 29, 2020 20:33:47 GMT
Will this Karen have a relative named Kevin too?
What's next? A movie about Chad?
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Post by CookiesNCream on Aug 29, 2020 20:38:52 GMT
There's no such thing as "anti-white" racism in the United States, jesus christ. But yeah, this movie is gonna suck. Not because it'll be offensive to white people--well, it will be to some (lol and they laugh about snowflakes)--but because it'll almost certainly be condescending, lame, unfunny, and trendy. Basing a movie off a Twitter joke is the shallowest thing I can think of. Plus what if the Karen meme already fell out of fashion by the time this movie comes out? That would even be more awkward..
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Post by erickeitel on Aug 30, 2020 14:57:29 GMT
Gotta love that Karen of all things is what gets MAR outraged.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 30, 2020 17:40:04 GMT
There's no such thing as "anti-white" racism in the United States, jesus christ. But yeah, this movie is gonna suck. Not because it'll be offensive to white people--well, it will be to some (lol and they laugh about snowflakes)--but because it'll almost certainly be condescending, lame, unfunny, and trendy. Basing a movie off a Twitter joke is the shallowest thing I can think of. Plus what if the Karen meme already fell out of fashion by the time this movie comes out? That would even be more awkward.. Change the title and suddenly it's just a generic movie about a woman named Karen. Ta-da.
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Post by marvelass on Sept 3, 2020 7:52:14 GMT
Blacks are only 12% of the U.S. population; whites are 70%. Latinos and Asians usually side/vote with whites. Blacks won't get long with this so-called 'revolution.'
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 3, 2020 8:14:13 GMT
Blacks are only 12% of the U.S. population; whites are 70%. Latinos and Asians usually side/vote with whites. Blacks won't get long with this so-called 'revolution.'
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Post by marvelass on Sept 5, 2020 9:28:56 GMT
*mhyson27* What is wrong with anything I wrote? (I'm Latino, btw.)
BTW: Latinos are 17% of the U.S. population and we're way underrepresented in the media compared to blacks.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 5, 2020 14:38:43 GMT
*mhyson27* What is wrong with anything I wrote? (I'm Latino, btw.) BTW: Latinos are 17% of the U.S. population and we're way underrepresented in the media compared to blacks. I mean you could just as easily ask the 7 top tier legends of this board that liked my post.
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 5, 2020 15:21:59 GMT
*mhyson27* What is wrong with anything I wrote? (I'm Latino, btw.) BTW: Latinos are 17% of the U.S. population and we're way underrepresented in the media compared to blacks. I mean you could just as easily ask the 7 top tier legends of this board that liked my post. Translation: I don't have a coherent argument, but the echo chamber agrees with me.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 5, 2020 16:25:43 GMT
I mean you could just as easily ask the 7 top tier legends of this board that liked my post. Translation: I don't have a coherent argument, but the echo chamber agrees with me.
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Post by bob-coppola on Sept 6, 2020 16:32:03 GMT
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 7, 2020 15:19:03 GMT
It's weird the first time I heard the term "Karen" was refered to the blond white black matters supporters.- There are lefties Karens too.-
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 7, 2020 15:53:04 GMT
*mhyson27* What is wrong with anything I wrote? (I'm Latino, btw.) BTW: Latinos are 17% of the U.S. population and we're way underrepresented in the media compared to blacks. It's weird that. But I guess, that latino is a relative new word, in the past century there were the italian americans and the mexicans were latins. Now the italoamerica is 100% absorved by the Americans, so the word Latino refers only to the hispanics (people from former Portuguese and Spanish colonies, even when legally there weren't colonies), and mostly to mexicans, because of the the heterogeneous of this invented term, in a near future, the term will change again, probably to refer to mixed raced.- There are underepresented for several reasons 1) Origin: US anexion, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Domincan Republic, Venezuela, Ecuador, Brazil, Nicaragua, the rest of Central and South American, Philipines 2) Ethnecity: White, black, indians, mixed, asians (philippines).- 3) Legal/ Illegal Many don't define latinos as themeselves and consider that an insult. Also because they compete between each others. Even mexicans aren't united, there are an important ProTrump and ProRepublican Mexicans (Pro legal immigration, Christian values) against Mexican Pro Democratic (and Pro Illegal immigration). Also several prefer Univision and Telemundo than US English Speaking Networks. So if the actors are rejected in L.A. maybe they had much better luck in Miami.- In fact many of the new latino rising stars started in Nickelodeon (that also have studios in Florida).- there isn't a Latino or Hispanic Race, even when latinos could be racist, there isn't a classification by race since early C XIX. During the Spanish Age (1492-1810) The terms used were Spanish (White: could be peninsular or Criollo) and Indian Meztizo Spanish and Mestizo Castizo Spanish and Castizo= Criollo= Spanish born in the Americas= White Spanish and Black= Mulato Black and Indian= Zambo Unlike Anglosaxon countries, mixed races was never such a big deal for Spaniards and Portugueses.- This ended with the Independence, the criollos made favorable immigrations politics, and mixed with europeans of different origins. So today the caucasic gen predominates specially in South America.-
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Post by marvelass on Sept 15, 2020 10:11:18 GMT
hugobolso, still blacks are overrepresented according to their population, no matter how you to try to dice it.
All of this is due to white (mainly blonde) females in positions of power in the entertainment world (i.e., Broadway and Hollywood). They have such major white guilt and a white savior complex. Everything they do is to earn 'brownie points.' This will soon run its course as with most trends.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 22, 2021 17:40:53 GMT
Oof
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 22, 2021 18:03:17 GMT
Our next best screenplay winner!
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jun 22, 2021 19:00:15 GMT
Oh honeys, white privilege, huh! I can't even get 'Don't you know who I am?' to work half the time and I'm a f ucking movie star!
Good luck with that!
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 22, 2021 20:24:40 GMT
This feels like one of those spoof fake trailers that you see on SNL...
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 25, 2021 16:55:08 GMT
Blacks are only 12% of the U.S. population; whites are 70%. Latinos and Asians usually side/vote with whites. Blacks won't get long with this so-called 'revolution.' RepubliCUNT says what??
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