Considering I've been posting all my line-ups as I've gone year-by-year in here since 1920, but am now getting close to the 1980s (and seeing that I guess my most recent thread got moved into the line-ups subthread under the Oscars/Awards category) I was trying to think of what we define as classic film around here?
I mean, yeah, there are films like No Country or There Will Be Blood always talked about as "modern classics," and then there are those like Se7en or Fargo still labeled "modern classics" as well, but each still carry that word "modern" with them. So at what point are films considered simply classics/classic film? I realize this is super subjective, so I figured a poll might help to decide where the majority lies.
Personally, I used to think '80s was the cut-off point because so many of them were ones I grew up on so it was weird to call them classics. But 1980 was 40 years ago now. Strange to think of something like The Shining or Empire Strikes Back as classic film in the same category as Casablanca or Citizen Kane, but I feel like it's gotta be at this point. I realize this might not be the same for someone born in the 2000s where they might view John Hughes' films as being as old as The Graduate. Plus, it's kind of weird that I would consider Apocalypse Now a classic film even though it came out only one year before Empire Strikes Back, so is it just because I watched one as a kid and not the other?
I guess it's kind of like when you listen to oldies on the radio and hear a song that came out when you were in high school, like "shit, am I that old now??" Anyway, just curious to see how you all view it and might make for interesting conversation here.
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Aug 16, 2020 22:40:03 GMT
I think of outdated industry standards (i.e. the old studio system, "New Hollywood") as classic, so pretty much pre-1980. Everything 1980s on I consider the blockbuster era and think has mostly been the same with some different permutations.
Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 16, 2020 22:46:32 GMT
Either 1967 or 1972, depending on how I look at things. 1967 is the start of New Hollywood. - anybody would tell you that that is a FACT. Everything we term as "modern" today can be traced back to The Graduate and Bonnie and Clyde, but the only thing that might prevent 1967 from being called the turning bridge between old and modern is that lots of films in '67 were still stuck in the classic era.
By 1972 (with the ultimate gamechanger The Godfather)...... most of the films were out of the classic era. Might've been a few musicals still hanging onto 1953, but even the most popular musical in 1972 (Cabaret) was more modern than it was classic.
That's an interesting point and I would absolutely agree that 1967 was the turning point between "old" Hollywood and "new" Hollywood (and that's probably why I listed 1960 as the oldest option here, other than my sarcastic options of Melies and b&w lol). I always thought of classic film just as a time period rather than a feel, as something like The Graduate still feels modern and relevant compared to something like Sixteen Candles (that some might also deem a classic) from '84 which feels so dated despite being nearly twenty years newer. Hell I'd even argue that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood from last year feels dated despite being only a year old, so just tough to narrow down classic based on feel rather than time period, but it certainly makes for an interesting discussion!
I would say pre 70's. Classic Hollywood is the 20's silents and then the "golden age" in the 30's-60's. If you wanted to get specific 68 might be a good end point since that's when the Hays Code ended.