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Post by franklin on Aug 13, 2020 10:44:45 GMT
Who was the best actor of the 2000s(20 years ago)?
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Post by speeders on Aug 13, 2020 11:03:31 GMT
Out of the choices, I'll go with Heath Ledger as I find his work in Brokeback Mountain and The Dark Knight to be top of the decade.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2020 11:14:54 GMT
To me this is PSH's decade and solidified him as an all-time top 10 American film actor imo (and that's an elite group) - he was the one that solidified what John Cazale typified and I think it's historic and pointed the way for Dafoe right now too......and he did that by extending what Cazale (and Duvall) did: A character actor who elevated everything he appeared in but also blurred the line with several leads being sensational within his work across genres/material. DiCaprio to me became truly special later - in the 2010s - prior to the 2010s I used to say "he needed to do comedy" .......in the 2010s I think his acting got deeper and amazingly he got wildly funnier. DDL has 2 stunning performances - and TWBB is a GOAT level one - but as in the 2010s - that's not really enough ....to me at least.
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Post by DanQuixote on Aug 13, 2020 11:29:02 GMT
Clearly PSH.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Aug 13, 2020 12:33:14 GMT
Hmmm...I would have voted for Denzel but to my 'big surprise', he's, again, missing in a broad poll (with 19 picks and some "very questionable" names) where he should be an obvious candidate.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2020 12:39:01 GMT
Hmmm...I would have voted for Denzel but to my 'big surprise', he's, again, missing in a broad poll (with 19 picks and some "very questionable" names) where he should be an obvious candidate. They must be doing this shit on purpose . Hard to care though. These polls have been done to death already.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 13, 2020 12:40:09 GMT
I generally don't like to get involved in these countless Denzel debates but yeahhhhh, pretty weird omission from the poll.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Aug 13, 2020 12:50:55 GMT
I generally don't like to get involved in these countless Denzel debates but yeahhhhh, pretty weird omission from the poll. Yeah , especially in such a broad poll. I mean if it was a tiny poll of 5-7 names, I would have understood (he's not a no brainer winner here, actually no one is imo) but 19 without mentioning the iconic guy who played Alonzo Harris, Frank Lucas, John Creasy, Coach Boone and so on ? Nah.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2020 13:19:18 GMT
I would be fine with including Denzel in every decade - probably since he never wins any ammirite? - kidding, kidding...... ..........but he has "the U2 problem" and so do a lot of actors in these polls - you know how some people think U2 is the greatest band ever ......well they're not (to me at least) but they were also never really at any given time "the best" either so if they couldn't do that how can they be THE best anyway then - in the 80s Talking Heads/REM/Replacements/Husker Du/Mission of Burma maybe were acknowledged as better........in the 90s Pavement/Nirvana/Radiohead were......in the 00s Strokes/Libertines/White Stripes/Arctic Monkeys were........in the 2010s ________________ ......etc. That comes up a lot in Art where even if people love an actor (or band) they lose track of what they love about them then anyway and it becomes cheerleading in a way or restructuring of what actually was happening........which is fine we all do itThink of this : I mean it's all a matter of opinion but Jack Nicholson (who isn't the actor of the 00s either) kind of equates with Washington quite well and no one ever says THAT (The Pledge, About Schmidt, The Departed, Something's Gotta Give) though without the Oscar win in the decade...... Pacino in the first half of the decade before it all went to hell was a great Nicholson rival in the 00s with his peaks (Angels in America, Insomnia, Merchant of Venice, Chinese Coffee) ...... Hanks..... Freeman .......... Bridges - ALL 5 of them are missing too as choices but I'm not sure how any of these missing guys could legit claim to be the actor of the decade though personally over the top vote getters here even if they had a strong decade or some high points at least. Jack Nicholson baffled by his omission :
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Post by franklin on Aug 13, 2020 13:35:26 GMT
Hmmm...I would have voted for Denzel but to my 'big surprise', he's, again, missing in a broad poll (with 19 picks and some "very questionable" names) where he should be an obvious candidate. Washington had only Training Day and MAYBE American Gangster as prominent work in that decade. Same reason for which I didn't put Tom Hanks, who had only Cast Away, and that's it (Catch Me If You Can is DiCaprio's one man show). I'd be more comfortable putting those two in the future "Best Actor of the 90s" poll.
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Post by jimmalone on Aug 13, 2020 13:47:24 GMT
It's Russell Crowe and it's not even close. Gladiator and A Beautiful Mind are two of the top 5 performances of the decade and then there is his fantastic work in Master and Commander and Cinderella Man, both I give him probably nods for. And then there are even some more performances like American Gangster and 3:10 to Yuma I label with great.
Second place is probably Sean Penn for me.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Aug 13, 2020 14:09:31 GMT
Hmmm...I would have voted for Denzel but to my 'big surprise', he's, again, missing in a broad poll (with 19 picks and some "very questionable" names) where he should be an obvious candidate. Washington had only Training Day and MAYBE American Gangster as prominent work in that decade. Same reason for which I didn't put Tom Hanks, who had only Cast Away, and that's it (Catch Me If You Can is DiCaprio's one man show). I'd be more comfortable putting those two in the future "Best Actor of the 90s" poll. That would be already enough to push out some names of your list tbh but thanksfully he has way more than that, Man On Fire that many considers to be among the best and most powerful work of his career and the same year (2004) a terrific, troubled performance in The Manchurian Candidate, his coach Boone in Remember The Titans is a classic, he's brillant and heartbreaking in John Q and basically was nothing less than his usual brillant self in almost everything else. Read the reviews (both by critics & users) here and there, most of his works is generally considered great. To think that he's not one of the 19 best Hollywood actors of the 00's is...strange.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2020 14:15:15 GMT
Hmmm...I would have voted for Denzel but to my 'big surprise', he's, again, missing in a broad poll (with 19 picks and some "very questionable" names) where he should be an obvious candidate. Washington had only Training Day and MAYBE American Gangster as prominent work in that decade. Same reason for which I didn't put Tom Hanks, who had only Cast Away, and that's it (Catch Me If You Can is DiCaprio's one man show). I'd be more comfortable putting those two in the future "Best Actor of the 90s" poll. Pretty much................and if I was being a cynic (who me?) I'd point out yet AGAIN for the millionth time that in the real world Denzel Washington - as great as he is (and he can be great) - doesn't stack up very well at all to his top-level peers in ANY decade if you really look at it - maybe the 2020s will change that but for now: No BP nominees in the 90s or 00s, no significant hit or acclaimed comedies in the 90s or 00s compared to rivals, 0 BAFTAs in the 90s or 00s, not a great roster of directors by comparison at all, limited great co-star interacting, limited acting variance/type etc. ........he won an Oscar in the 00s and that's great I love him in Training Day personally .............but come on......
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2020 14:20:09 GMT
Hmmm...I would have voted for Denzel but to my 'big surprise', he's, again, missing in a broad poll (with 19 picks and some "very questionable" names) where he should be an obvious candidate. Washington had only Training Day and MAYBE American Gangster as prominent work in that decade. Same reason for which I didn't put Tom Hanks, who had only Cast Away, and that's it (Catch Me If You Can is DiCaprio's one man show). I'd be more comfortable putting those two in the future "Best Actor of the 90s" poll. This is nonsense. Man On Fire is rated by many today as one of his best performances. Remember The Titans was a big deal. He was great in John Q and The Manchurian Candidate. He was great in Inside Man. Add Training Day and American Gangster to that, and he's clearly one of the major actors of that decade. Washington was effectively great in almost everything in the 2000's, even the films meant primarily to entertain, and not win awards. Just because he wasn't "oscarbaiting" regularly doesn't mean he wasn't giving performances important to his legacy. Anyway, leave it to a newbie to start up all these dumb Denzel debates again
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 13, 2020 14:24:52 GMT
Hmmm...I would have voted for Denzel but to my 'big surprise', he's, again, missing in a broad poll (with 19 picks and some "very questionable" names) where he should be an obvious candidate. They must be doing this shit on purpose . Hard to care though. These polls have been done to death already.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 13, 2020 14:27:59 GMT
I generally don't like to get involved in these countless Denzel debates but yeahhhhh, pretty weird omission from the poll. Yeah , especially in such a broad poll. I mean if it was a tiny poll of 5-7 names, I would have understood (he's not a no brainer winner here, actually no one is imo) but 19 without mentioning the iconic guy who played Alonzo Harris, Frank Lucas, John Creasy, Coach Boone and so on ? Nah. Hell I think Jamie Foxx should've deserved consideration as well..Ray, Collateral, Dreamgirls, Ali, Jarhead two Oscar nominations and a Best Actor win.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2020 14:33:48 GMT
Yeah , especially in such a broad poll. I mean if it was a tiny poll of 5-7 names, I would have understood (he's not a no brainer winner here, actually no one is imo) but 19 without mentioning the iconic guy who played Alonzo Harris, Frank Lucas, John Creasy, Coach Boone and so on ? Nah. Hell I think Jamie Foxx should've deserved consideration as well..Ray, Collateral, Dreamgirls, Ali, Jarhead two Oscar nominations and a Best Actor win. Were there any good black actors in the 2000's according to this poll?? Three black Best Actor winners in Foxx, Washington and Forrest Whitaker, but not one of them can merit a mention on a 19 actor poll....interesting!
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 13, 2020 14:33:53 GMT
Washington had only Training Day and MAYBE American Gangster as prominent work in that decade. Same reason for which I didn't put Tom Hanks, who had only Cast Away, and that's it (Catch Me If You Can is DiCaprio's one man show). I'd be more comfortable putting those two in the future "Best Actor of the 90s" poll. Pretty much................and if I was being a cynic (who me?) I'd point out yet AGAIN for the millionth time that in the real world Denzel Washington - as great as he is (and he can be great) - doesn't stack up very well at all to his top-level peers in ANY decade if you really look at it - maybe the 2020s will change that but for now: No BP nominees in the 90s or 00s, no significant hit or acclaimed comedies in the 90s or 00s compared to rivals, 0 BAFTAs in the 90s or 00s, not a great roster of directors by comparison at all, limited great co-star interacting, limited acting variance/type etc. ........he won an Oscar in the 00s and that's great I love him in Training Day personally .............but come on...... I have to ask...what great acclaimed comedies has Al Pacino been in? You keep bringing that up as negative point for Denzel, but I can't think of any great acclaimed comedies Pacino has been in.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Aug 13, 2020 14:36:47 GMT
Yeah , especially in such a broad poll. I mean if it was a tiny poll of 5-7 names, I would have understood (he's not a no brainer winner here, actually no one is imo) but 19 without mentioning the iconic guy who played Alonzo Harris, Frank Lucas, John Creasy, Coach Boone and so on ? Nah. Hell I think Jamie Foxx should've deserved consideration as well..Ray, Collateral, Dreamgirls, Ali, Jarhead two Oscar nominations and a Best Actor win. Agreed, actually I was about to mention him and in my eyes just based on The Last King of Scotland (one of the most deserved oscar win of that decade) and his tremendous work in The Shield, Forest Whitaker would obliterate 1/3 of that list but I didn't wanted it to look like a race thing or something because I don't think it is but yeah, they deserve consideration too.
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Post by Archie on Aug 13, 2020 14:38:57 GMT
Pretty much................and if I was being a cynic (who me?) I'd point out yet AGAIN for the millionth time that in the real world Denzel Washington - as great as he is (and he can be great) - doesn't stack up very well at all to his top-level peers in ANY decade if you really look at it - maybe the 2020s will change that but for now: No BP nominees in the 90s or 00s, no significant hit or acclaimed comedies in the 90s or 00s compared to rivals, 0 BAFTAs in the 90s or 00s, not a great roster of directors by comparison at all, limited great co-star interacting, limited acting variance/type etc. ........he won an Oscar in the 00s and that's great I love him in Training Day personally .............but come on...... I have to ask...what great acclaimed comedies has Al Pacino been in?
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 13, 2020 14:41:26 GMT
They must be doing this shit on purpose . Hard to care though. These polls have been done to death already. Washington had only Training Day and MAYBE American Gangster as prominent work in that decade. Same reason for which I didn't put Tom Hanks, who had only Cast Away, and that's it (Catch Me If You Can is DiCaprio's one man show). I'd be more comfortable putting those two in the future "Best Actor of the 90s" poll. Anyway, leave it to a newbie to start up all these dumb Denzel debates again That's funny. I wasn't aware this was a Denzel thread and it's actually you turning it into one (and your dudes.) And you call me a shit-stirrer.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 13, 2020 14:42:44 GMT
Pretty much................and if I was being a cynic (who me?) I'd point out yet AGAIN for the millionth time that in the real world Denzel Washington - as great as he is (and he can be great) - doesn't stack up very well at all to his top-level peers in ANY decade if you really look at it - maybe the 2020s will change that but for now: No BP nominees in the 90s or 00s, no significant hit or acclaimed comedies in the 90s or 00s compared to rivals, 0 BAFTAs in the 90s or 00s, not a great roster of directors by comparison at all, limited great co-star interacting, limited acting variance/type etc. ........he won an Oscar in the 00s and that's great I love him in Training Day personally .............but come on...... I have to ask...what great acclaimed comedies has Al Pacino been in? You keep bringing that up as negative point for Denzel, but I can't think of any great acclaimed comedies Pacino has been in. That actually made me wanna go research Pacino's filmography, and the closest thing I can find to a full-on comedy in his filmography which mostly consists of very serious movies, and the three comedic related things were Stand Up Guys, Gigli, and Jack & Jill (he's actually the best thing about it)... which welp, we all know how the later two turned out.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 13, 2020 14:44:52 GMT
I have to ask...what great acclaimed comedies has Al Pacino been in? Ok,,that's funny..LOL
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 13, 2020 14:47:18 GMT
I have to ask...what great acclaimed comedies has Al Pacino been in? You keep bringing that up as negative point for Denzel, but I can't think of any great acclaimed comedies Pacino has been in. That actually made me wanna go research Pacino's filmography, and the closest thing I can find to a full-on comedy in his filmography which mostly consists of very serious movies, and the three comedic related things I could find were Stand Up Guys, Gigli, and Jack & Jill (he's actually the best thing about it)... which welp, we all know how the later two turned out.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2020 14:49:52 GMT
They must be doing this shit on purpose . Hard to care though. These polls have been done to death already. That's funny. I wasn't aware this was a Denzel thread and it's been turned into one by you and your dudes. And you call me a shit-stirrer. You are what you are man. I don't think it's malicious, just amusing. fiosnasiob raised a valid point about Denzel being a bizarre and notable omission from this poll, which was immediately concurred by mhynson27 (whom is clearly not a "Denzel Stan"). I don't see the problem here. Bringing up Washington was not gratuitous. It was relevant. But if taking every opportunity you can to cry the "tweeible Denzel stans" is your thing, do you. I'll continue to find it amusing and mostly done in the cause of stirring shit and wanting to see chaos
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