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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2020 16:25:35 GMT
We've often talked about who will catch Nicholson and his 12 male Oscar nods (if anyone?).......but I thought it might be fun to see who can keep the historic pace at its next interval. Nicholson at age 52 was at 9 nods.......Pacino at 52 was at 8 nods (they are 3 years apart) - that is Nicholson's historic pace - no male actor had more than 9 at that age and he extended the pace by getting his 10th nod at age 55............ and he never looked back. Cooper (4 times nodded) and DiCaprio (6 times nodded) are a mere 2 months apart and are 45 now.......and each in their announced films you can forsee Oscar nominations and you can maybe see their next few years taking shape: DiCaprio has released just 1 film in the last 5 years with only Killers of the Flower Moon officially on deck........Cooper has 3 announced films that could conceivably happen in close to that time frame (PTA film, Nightmare Alley, Bernstein) - potentially that lineup results in 4 STRAIGHT Oscar nods for Cooper after ASIB (DiCaprio is on straight 3 right now). So looking ahead 7 years - 2027 - will either be at 9 nods like Nicholson and even if not.........will Cooper overtake DiCaprio at 52 years of age or will DiCaprio still reign?
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2020 16:38:25 GMT
Keep in mind, Bradley Cooper is on eight nominations right now. Yes, we're only counting acting nods here, but this motherfucker is poised to hit double-digits before he's fifty!
Like I said on the PTA thread about Cooper versus DiCaprio, one advantage Cooper has is that he's not slowing down or interested in taking sabbaticals. This is a man driven to work with auteurs and chasing the plummest roles possible. Bradley Cooper is like the actor equivalent of the bus in Speed: if he slows down, he will explode. Look at the man's upcoming docket. A psychological thriller directed by Guillermo del Toro which, on paper, shouldn't be Oscar bait (the novel itself is very good but definitely not within the Academy's wheelhouse), but now that Guillermo's an anointed Oscar-winning director, anything he does now and forever will be given the glitter of prestige. Combine that with the caliber of cast he's assembled, and you'd have to think that it's going to be a player. And Cooper is a consummate campaigner; I genuinely think he fucked up a sure shot at Best Actor by focusing too much on getting that Best Director nod (one of the funniest things I've ever seen in all my years following the Oscars is watching that narrative crash and burn), but at this stage, I think he'll be more than happy to get that statuette regardless. Then there's his Bernstein biopic (which I still don't entirely buy as the Big One, but most seem to agree it's a huge contender) and potentially a supporting role in the upcoming PTA joint. There's the possibility of three nominations right there, which coupled with the four acting nods he's already got, puts him at seven acting nods and eleven total.
The question is, when Cooper inevitably does get his prize, do they decide enough is enough and move on? Or does he become a perennial favorite?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Aug 6, 2020 16:47:16 GMT
The question is, when Cooper inevitably does get his prize, do they decide enough is enough and move on? Or does he become a perennial favorite? I was just about to say the only way I see Cooper stalling is if he wins very soon and the Academy chooses to shine its light on others instead. |
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2020 16:54:08 GMT
The question is, when Cooper inevitably does get his prize, do they decide enough is enough and move on? Or does he become a perennial favorite? I was just about to say the only way I see Cooper stalling is if he wins very soon and the Academy chooses to shine its light on others instead. Exactly. It's why I'd rather that Saoirse Ronan not get that token Best Actress win that she's probably going to get in the next few years. There seems to be a pattern when, if someone gets on a hot streak and finally wins, the Academy finally decides to move on to the next thing. If anyone wants a chance to challenge the big names like Streep and Nicholson, it's better if you keep getting nominated, build up your rep, and then when you win, it's for something undeniable, rather than just because it was your time. |
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 6, 2020 17:11:16 GMT
Cooper because he keeps working and DiCaprio keeps passing on intriguing roles.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 6, 2020 22:56:43 GMT
It really depends on the reception of Cooper's projects. He could get 4 nods in the next 5-6 years, or 1. GDT has had two Oscar successes in his career; he's not a sure thing for acting nods. PTA is more of one, but if he churns out a mess like Inherent Vice...
Leo's got things percolating. An Inarritu project, a Spielberg Ulysses Grant movie, a Teddy Roosevelt movie with Marty, maybe he does Don't Look Up with McKay, or checks off more directors like Fincher, Coens, O. Russell, Mann, etc.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 6, 2020 23:29:21 GMT
Well I’m going to be optimistic and say DiCaprio can get 2 noms in the next 7 years (even if he only makes 2 films in that timeframe). I’m not sold on Cooper getting 4 more noms in the next 7 years so I don’t think he’ll surpass Leo by then.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 7, 2020 5:46:11 GMT
Leo makes a movie every 3-4 years (or not...) but Cooper will be beneath him in 2027 (counting only acting noms, of course).
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 7, 2020 5:58:38 GMT
Well I’m going to be optimistic and say DiCaprio can get 2 noms in the next 7 years (even if he only makes 2 films in that timeframe). I’m not sold on Cooper getting 4 more noms in the next 7 years so I don’t think he’ll surpass Leo by then. Right off the bat I think he'll get 3 in the next 2-3 years with Nightmare Alley, the PTA project and the Bernstein biopic. Meaning he'll still have like 4 years to get just 1 more nom. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 7, 2020 13:55:12 GMT
Well I’m going to be optimistic and say DiCaprio can get 2 noms in the next 7 years (even if he only makes 2 films in that timeframe). I’m not sold on Cooper getting 4 more noms in the next 7 years so I don’t think he’ll surpass Leo by then. Right off the bat I think he'll get 3 in the next 2-3 years with Nightmare Alley, the PTA project and the Bernstein biopic. Meaning he'll still have like 4 years to get just 1 more nom. I don’t think he’ll get nodded for all 3. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 7, 2020 14:45:32 GMT
Right off the bat I think he'll get 3 in the next 2-3 years with Nightmare Alley, the PTA project and the Bernstein biopic. Meaning he'll still have like 4 years to get just 1 more nom. I don’t think he’ll get nodded for all 3. Why not? They're all baity parts and he's clearly loved. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 7, 2020 14:50:47 GMT
I don’t think he’ll get nodded for all 3. Why not? They're all baity parts and he's clearly loved. I agree with that. Just the way Oscars normally go. There’s always either an unexpected snub or project that look baity just don’t play out as the season continues. If I had to bet on him going 3/3 or under I’ll go with the under. |
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Post by franklin on Aug 8, 2020 15:19:45 GMT
Anyone thinking that Cooper will best DiCaprio in terms of acting nominations is insane.
Cooper managed to take Nightmare Alley and PTA only because DiCaprio turned them down as he didn't find them worthy enough.
I don't think he'll be nominated for both of them (especially the PTA one, as it looks more like an ensemble film in which the child actor is the one who shines).
Anyway, Di Caprio at 45 years has already 6 Acting nominations, and he is the third youngest male actor who achieved this (only Jack Nicholson and Richard Burton did better than him at 44, only one year younger).
He's likely to get two more nominations with the next Scorsese and the Adam McKay one (if he does it, as it's been reported by Variety). I think he will manage to even match and surpass Nicholson's record of 12 nominations.
So I think by the time he turns 52 he can easily get two or three (even four) more, for a total of 9/10 nominations.
So Bradley Cooper is not a threat to him in any capacity in terms of status or acting nominations.
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Post by cheesecake on Aug 8, 2020 19:06:49 GMT
The Academy is obsessed with Cooper so I wouldn't surprised if it swings his way, but I'm slightly leaning towards DiCaprio for this.
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Post by stephen on Aug 8, 2020 19:12:58 GMT
Anyone thinking that Cooper will best DiCaprio in terms of acting nominations is insane. Cooper managed to take Nightmare Alley and PTA only because DiCaprio turned them down as he didn't find them worthy enough. I don't think he'll be nominated for both of them (especially the PTA one, as it looks more like an ensemble film in which the child actor is the one who shines). Anyway, Di Caprio at 45 years has already 6 Acting nominations, and he is the third youngest male actor who achieved this (only Jack Nicholson and Richard Burton did better than him at 44, only one year younger). He's likely to get two more nominations with the next Scorsese and the Adam McKay one (if he does it, as it's been reported by Variety). I think he will manage to even match and surpass Nicholson's record of 12 nominations. So I think by the time he turns 52 he can easily get two or three (even four) more, for a total of 9/10 nominations. So Bradley Cooper is not a threat to him in any capacity in terms of status or acting nominations. You're assuming that DiCaprio turned the scripts down because he didn't find them worthy enough, but there's also a very real chance that his commitment to Scorsese's film prevented his involvement. DiCaprio is loyal to Marty, probably wants to make sure that he makes as many films with Scorsese before he retires (the man is going to be in his eighth decade very soon), and Del Toro and PTA probably just didn't feel like they needed Leo to make their movies. This isn't exactly a DDL situation where the filmmakers had to beg the man to do the projects to even get them greenlit; they found suitable replacements and moved on. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 8, 2020 20:33:58 GMT
Anyone thinking that Cooper will best DiCaprio in terms of acting nominations is insane. Cooper managed to take Nightmare Alley and PTA only because DiCaprio turned them down as he didn't find them worthy enough. I don't think he'll be nominated for both of them (especially the PTA one, as it looks more like an ensemble film in which the child actor is the one who shines). Anyway, Di Caprio at 45 years has already 6 Acting nominations, and he is the third youngest male actor who achieved this (only Jack Nicholson and Richard Burton did better than him at 44, only one year younger). He's likely to get two more nominations with the next Scorsese and the Adam McKay one (if he does it, as it's been reported by Variety). I think he will manage to even match and surpass Nicholson's record of 12 nominations. So I think by the time he turns 52 he can easily get two or three (even four) more, for a total of 9/10 nominations. So Bradley Cooper is not a threat to him in any capacity in terms of status or acting nominations. You're assuming that DiCaprio turned the scripts down because he didn't find them worthy enough, but there's also a very real chance that his commitment to Scorsese's film prevented his involvement. DiCaprio is loyal to Marty, probably wants to make sure that he makes as many films with Scorsese before he retires (the man is going to be in his eighth decade very soon), and Del Toro and PTA probably just didn't feel like they needed Leo to make their movies. This isn't exactly a DDL situation where the filmmakers had to beg the man to do the projects to even get them greenlit; they found suitable replacements and moved on. It's interesting to consider that. I'll be less inclined to believe DiCaprio had very strong interest in the PTA film if he actually ends up doing Don't Look Up before KoTFM, and the PTA film starts filming in the fall. |
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Post by quetee on Aug 8, 2020 20:38:28 GMT
Nods in general? Cooper.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 8, 2020 20:40:24 GMT
The Academy is obsessed with Cooper so I wouldn't surprised if it swings his way, but I'm slightly leaning towards DiCaprio for this. I don't think people realise how quickly and frequently the Academy gets tired of "favorites". At one point, George Clooney and Tom Hanks looked like they were going to keep being nominated every time the did a baity film, until the Academy just decided they wanted to move on (it took Hanks 20 years to make a comeback, despite non-stop Oscarbaiting in that period). Cooper is not going to be the exception. He's someone I can see winning on his next nomination, and never getting nominated again (or at least finding it extremely difficult to get nominated again), even if he still works in baity projects. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 8, 2020 20:41:35 GMT
Just acting nods - check the initial post in the thread for some detail on the numbers also. I think with directing nods and BP nods - Cooper could put up ungodly numbers |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 8, 2020 23:19:06 GMT
The Academy is obsessed with Cooper so I wouldn't surprised if it swings his way, but I'm slightly leaning towards DiCaprio for this. I don't think people realise how quickly and frequently the Academy gets tired of "favorites". At one point, George Clooney and Tom Hanks looked like they were going to keep being nominated every time the did a baity film, until the Academy just decided they wanted to move on (it took Hanks 20 years to make a comeback, despite non-stop Oscarbaiting in that period). Cooper is not going to be the exception. He's someone I can see winning on his next nomination, and never getting nominated again (or at least finding it extremely difficult to get nominated again), even if he still works in baity projects. Yep. It could and will probably be a while before Cooper wins his Oscar, but he could absolutely go the way of someone like Gregory Peck, and not even get nominated again, because the academy feels they've already rewarded him big. |
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Post by mattfincher on Aug 8, 2020 23:42:16 GMT
The industry loves Cooper, he works more often, and from what I can tell, is the more desperate for validation of the two at this point. He is also going to be able to exploit weak upcoming races with the PTA and del Toro movies. I'd expect double nods for him next year.
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Post by franklin on Aug 9, 2020 10:30:12 GMT
I don't think he'll manage to get a double nomination.
Anyway Del Toro can be a huge hit and miss,he's incredibly inconsistent in terms of quality compared to other established auteurs.
Wouldn't be surprised if this film goes nowhere awards season wise aside from a nomination for Blanchett or Mara.
And as I said the PTA one is just an ensemble high school movie in which the child actor is the lead.
In other words a nomination for him is not so obvious, let alone a double one.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 28, 2023 6:38:30 GMT
Looks like both may add another nom.
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Post by mhynson27 on May 28, 2023 8:56:39 GMT
Well I’m going to be optimistic and say DiCaprio can get 2 noms in the next 7 years (even if he only makes 2 films in that timeframe). I’m not sold on Cooper getting 4 more noms in the next 7 years so I don’t think he’ll surpass Leo by then. Right off the bat I think he'll get 3 in the next 2-3 years with Nightmare Alley, the PTA project and the Bernstein biopic. Meaning he'll still have like 4 years to get just 1 more nom. Lol, well I was way off base there. |
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Post by pacinoyes on May 28, 2023 10:57:56 GMT
This is yet another BP nodded film for DiCap - a likely BA nod - he's either tied or ahead of De Niro all time for BP films - though De Niro gets in too of course - this will be 7 acting nods - and he barely missed 2 (Django, DLU) arguably or else he'd be tied with Tracy / Pacino / Washington / Newman at 9.......I've said this before: The "most Oscar nominations" record - Nicholson's 12 - is likely his unless something goes very wrong and it is because of him - for men - that such a record loses all meaning  : One day in the very near future getting 8-10 Oscar nominations will either be achieved or within striking distance for many more actors - male and female - than at any point prior .........several males / females will win a 3rd Oscar so it already means "not much"......even if De Niro misses this year....... I say this all the time: there are 3 big records for male actors and DiCaprio plays into at least 2 of them: 1. Nicholson's 12 nominations (held for 20 years) 2. Pacino's 5 total Triple Crown wins (by a TC winner - held for 12 years) 3. DDL's 3 BA wins (held for 10 years) #1 likely will fall to DiCap one day .......number 2 will be broken by a lot of people once it falls and as the Oscars become more and more marginalized and TV is more ascendant........ but #3 is different: that could stand for decades for men - women are not the same at all - Frances McDormand does not apply to this metric .........however if DiCaprio wins his 2nd BA soon - which he likely "needs" to do to tie record #3 it may signal that they then decide to stop nodding him which effects record # 1 ^ DiCaprio already has 6 BAFTA nods ffs .......it's mindboggling   |
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