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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 27, 2020 4:06:00 GMT
Watching Absence of Malice, no idea how Sally Field was snubbed and Paul Newman gets nominated again for another done again, play that same dude for the 8th time. He doesn't stand out to me at all in lots of his nominated works. Field carried that movie, and Newman just rode it.
I also don't know why Glenn Close was the only nominee from The Big Chill. Not that there's anyone amazing, but if they had to shell out one nod I thought Kline, Hurt, JoBeth Williams, and Meg Tilly were all in line before her.
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Post by speeders on Jul 28, 2020 0:21:24 GMT
Just off the top of my head...
Just overall:
Mark Wahlberg in The Departed. I'm not sure I think anyone was snubbed but I found Damon, DiCaprio, Farmiga, Sheen and Nicholson all much better than him and jarring that he's the film's sole acting nomination.
Mary J. Blige in Mudbound. Carey Mulligan was much better. So were Jason Mitchell and Garrett Hedlund.
Margot Robbie deserved an oscar nomination more than Jonah Hill for The Wolf of Wall Street.
While I liked Mahershala Ali just fine in Moonlight, I thought Ashton Sanders and Trevante Rhodes were muuuuch more impressive and award worthy.
Michael Shannon, Nocturnal Animals. If anyone should've gotten in it was Amy Adams. My favorite performance of her alongside Arrival. Can't believe she was snubbed for both that year, I've never been impressed with her outside of these two films.
Ruth Gordon absolutely deserved her nomination and win for Rosemary's Baby but I will never grasp the Academy shutting Farrow out completely (which they continued to do for the rest of her career). Gordon was great but Farrow carried the film and was truly amazing.
In the same category: The Trial of the Chicago 7: Yahya Abdul-Mateen II > Sacha Baron Cohen The Age of Innocence: Miriam Margolyes > Winona Ryder. Barton Fink: John Goodman > MichaelLerner Vicki Christina Barcelona: Rebecca Hall > Penélope Cruz Mudbound: Carey Mulligan > Mary J. Blige Moonlight: Ashton Sanders & Trevante Rhodes > Mahershala Ali Argo: John Goodman > Alan Arkin The Departed: Matt Damon, Jack Nicholson & Martin Sheen > Mark Wahlberg A History of Violence: Ed Harris > William Hurt Ordinary People: Donald Sutherland > Judd Hirsch The Curious Case of Benjamin Button: Cate Blanchett > Taraji P. Henson The Murder on the Orient Express: Lauren Bacall > Ingrid Bergman
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Post by finniussnrub on Jul 28, 2020 0:30:54 GMT
Hmm...never really consider it in other categories since there's always different competition and such so it is harder to consider that they nominated the "wrong guy". In the same category though sure. Examples:
Spotlight: Mark Ruffalo over any other male performer in the film. Cocooon: Don Ameche over those with an actual part, Wilford Brimley in particular. Collateral: Jamie Foxx over Tom Cruise, though both actually are leads.
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Post by stephen on Jul 28, 2020 0:40:40 GMT
Just from the last decade:
Spotlight: Ruffalo over . . . well, any of them. Even Young Boy In Choir #5 would've made for a better nominee than him. The Big Short: Bale over Carell and especially Gosling. American Hustle: No one deserved a nomination, but Cooper getting in over Renner is particularly gross. Lincoln: I liked Jones fine, but Spader and Strathairn were better. Argo: Goodman and Cranston were better than Arkin, but I still liked Arkin. Silver Linings Playbook: Chris Tucker was miles better than whatever De Niro was doing. If Beale Street Could Talk: I actually liked Teyonah Parris more than King, who I thought had the weakest subplot to work with. Moonlight: Janelle Monae was so much better than Naomie Harris. Birdman: Stone was very good, but Lindsay Duncan, Andrea Riseborough and Naomi Watts were sublime. 12 Years a Slave: Dano >>>>>> Fassbender, and Oduye >>>>> Nyong'o. Les Miserables: Samantha Barks puts Hathaway to shame. The Help: Spencer deserved her nod, but Bryce Dallas Howard was better than Chastain. And honestly, I thought Stone was better than Davis. Foxcatcher: Tatum was so much better than Carell, who really keeps the film from being otherwise flawless.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 28, 2020 1:38:33 GMT
Phantom Thread - Manville over Krieps Captain Phillips - Abdi over Hanks
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Post by stephen on Jul 28, 2020 1:58:18 GMT
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood - Pitt over DiCaprioThe Phantom Thread - Manville over Krieps Captain Phillips - Abdi over Hanks They both got nominated.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 28, 2020 2:39:11 GMT
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood - Pitt over DiCaprioThe Phantom Thread - Manville over Krieps Captain Phillips - Abdi over Hanks They both got nominated. Ugh...I was just thinking about the win. My bad
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 28, 2020 3:21:19 GMT
Jamie Bell and Tom Holland got robbed, even though Walters and Watts were deserving of their noms. Aaron Taylor Johnson was much better than Michael Shannon in Nocturnal Animals; robbed. Teri Garr was better than Lange in Tootsie. Leo and Winslet were better than Shannon in Rev Road (who was very good and nom-worthy); he just got brownie points because people liked his character more. De Niro didn't deserve a nomination for The Godfather Part II, much less a win in that grouping.
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Post by vinnyt on Jul 28, 2020 3:52:03 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 28, 2020 3:55:44 GMT
loads of examples but off the top of my head Flight of the Phoenix. Anyone should've been nominated over Ian Bannen, especially Hardy Krüger and Richard Attenborough.
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Post by vinnyt on Jul 28, 2020 4:07:17 GMT
Oh and how about instead of giving Christoph Waltz a second Oscar for playing a character with the same mannerisms and tone as Hans Landa you grab Samuel L. Jackson who's RIGHT THERE in the same film.
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Post by chris3 on Jul 28, 2020 6:38:59 GMT
Ian McKellen over Sean Bean in The Fellowship of the Ring (both were great of course).
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 28, 2020 7:23:29 GMT
Captain Philips, Spotlight and The Departed gave nominations to the wrong people imo.
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Post by sirjeremy on Jul 28, 2020 8:38:13 GMT
Rose Byrne should have been nominated over Melissa McCarthy for Bridesmaids.
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Post by stephen on Jul 28, 2020 12:16:38 GMT
loads of examples but off the top of my head Flight of the Phoenix. Anyone should've been nominated over Ian Bannen, especially Hardy Krüger and Richard Attenborough. Krüger apparently declined to be campaigned for the nomination, but yeah, Attenborough's snub is unforgivable. I like Bannen fine, but in that he was just kind of there.
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Jul 28, 2020 19:01:21 GMT
In the Heat of the Night
Sidney Poitier should've gotten the nomination...maybe not instead of Rod Steiger, but he definitely should've been nominated as well.
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner from the same year kinda falls into this same category as well. Poitier was snubbed again for his white co-star which, considering the subject matter of both films, is pretty inexcusable.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 28, 2020 20:59:12 GMT
loads of examples but off the top of my head Flight of the Phoenix. Anyone should've been nominated over Ian Bannen, especially Hardy Krüger and Richard Attenborough. Krüger apparently declined to be campaigned for the nomination, but yeah, Attenborough's snub is unforgivable. I like Bannen fine, but in that he was just kind of there. I'm sure Krüger declining the GG nod had something to do with it but it's the not the kind of thing that makes any kind of sense in hindsight if you're just watching the movie and not thinking about the politics. And yeah,, if they were going to snub Krüger they might as well have gone with Attenborough, but I guess Bannen was next in line with the GG newcomer nod. annnnyways
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jul 29, 2020 4:07:08 GMT
Hugh Griffith over Stephen Boyd. I remember watching that for the first time knowing it won Best Supporting actor but not knowing the actors names so I didn’t know for which role and I just assumed it was the guy who played Messala and when I looked it up I was just like “Who??”
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 30, 2020 21:09:29 GMT
James Mason over Alan Bates for Georgy Girl (1966) - the only advantage Mason had was that he was a prior nominee, but Bates had two Golden Globe noms for it (Best Actor and Most Promising Newcomer; Mason had zero precursors) and Bates has the much more exciting perf. Mason is at best endearing but it's a smaller, simple, much less vivid perf....... Bates is a caffeinated jester (the kitchen sink's 'angry young man' made slaphappy, guarded by and destined to his insincere spree). I swear some of his perf brought to mind Robin Williams- that level of loony rummaging. (Which is very high praise.)
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Post by dadsburgers on Jul 30, 2020 22:37:09 GMT
Great question!
The Godfather Part II: Cazale > De Niro et. al. Dog Day Afternoon: Cazale > Sarandon (enjoyed Sarandon, but it was the easy nomination) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: Redfield & Lassick > Dourif The Crying Game: Whitaker > Davidson Quiz Show: Turturro > Scofield Do the Right Thing: Davis > Aiello Catch Me If You Can: Hanks > Walken Little Miss Sunshine: Dano & Carell > Arkin Django Unchained: DiCaprio or Jackson > Waltz
And that's just supporting actor!
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 1, 2020 19:30:13 GMT
Michael Lerner over John Goodman for Barton Fink, especially because Goodman actually had purchase that year and had just been nominated for a Globe for that exact performance. Lerner is pretty enjoyable but Goodman was on a whole other level. One doesn't to be a fan of the film (I'm not and I don't think the Academy was either) to know that. How does this man not have a single Oscar nomination
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 1, 2020 19:40:53 GMT
Great question! The Godfather Part II: Cazale > De Niro et. al. Dog Day Afternoon: Cazale > Sarandon (enjoyed Sarandon, but it was the easy nomination) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: Redfield & Lassick > Dourif The Crying Game: Whitaker > Davidson Quiz Show: Turturro > Scofield Do the Right Thing: Davis > Aiello Catch Me If You Can: Hanks > Walken Little Miss Sunshine: Dano & Carell > Arkin Django Unchained: DiCaprio or Jackson > Waltz And that's just supporting actor! Can't agree with a lot of that. Especially not Jaye Davison who was the image and embodiment of a star is born as it gets. How about Gary Oldman snubbed for The Contender? Jeff Bridges was pretty good and I don't begrudge his nomination (but not Top 5 of the year) and not over Gary Oldman who was once again the extraordinaire. But moot argument as the academy never liked him until The Darkest Hour.
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Post by dadsburgers on Aug 2, 2020 10:48:34 GMT
Great question! The Godfather Part II: Cazale > De Niro et. al. Dog Day Afternoon: Cazale > Sarandon (enjoyed Sarandon, but it was the easy nomination) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: Redfield & Lassick > Dourif The Crying Game: Whitaker > Davidson Quiz Show: Turturro > Scofield Do the Right Thing: Davis > Aiello Catch Me If You Can: Hanks > Walken Little Miss Sunshine: Dano & Carell > Arkin Django Unchained: DiCaprio or Jackson > Waltz And that's just supporting actor! Can't agree with a lot of that. Especially not Jaye Davison who was the image and embodiment of a star is born as it gets. How about Gary Oldman snubbed for The Contender? Jeff Bridges was pretty good and I don't begrudge his nomination (but not Top 5 of the year) and not over Gary Oldman who was once again the extraordinaire. But moot argument as the academy never liked him until The Darkest Hour. Davidson certainly was the image of the film, but he's said himself he isn't much of an actor. Not that i don't like his performance, but his acting wasn't what stood out so much as his beauty. Whitaker was much more real for me.
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Post by stephen on Aug 2, 2020 14:01:49 GMT
2000s edition:
Gladiator: Joaquin Phoenix deserved his nomination, but I still slightly preferred Oliver Reed. The Contender: Unlike most people, I actually do prefer Bridges over Oldman, so I've got no real qualms here. Gosford Park: I liked Kelly Macdonald and Kristin Scott Thomas more than Mirren and Smith. The Hours: Stephen Dillane and John C. Reilly were miles better than Harris, who I think might've given a career-nadir turn here. Pieces of April: Not really the same, but I have no fucking idea how Clarkson got nominated for this performance against The Station Agent. Dogville's her very best work but I think it might've been eligible in '04. Mystic River: Depending on where you'd have him, Bacon deserved a nomination over either Penn or Robbins. Sideways: Sandra Oh >>>> Virginia Madsen. A History of Violence: William Hurt definitely deserved his nomination, but Ed Harris is my win, so . . . Brokeback Mountain: Literally any other female performance was better than Williams, whose "Jack Nasty!" delivery should've invalidated her for any future nominations for a solid decade. The Departed: I'm so glad Wahlberg got in over Nicholson, but Baldwin deserved it over all of them. Vicky Cristina Barcelona: I don't like any of them, really, but I thought there was far more nuance in Johansson and especially Hall's performances than in the one-note stereotype that Cruz was stuck with. Nine: Marion Cotillard was infinitely better than Cruz.
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Post by stephen on Aug 2, 2020 14:19:40 GMT
1990s edition:
Postcards from the Edge: MacLaine was better than Streep. JFK: Joe Pesci, Donald Sutherland, and John Candy were better than Tommy Lee Jones, but I do prefer Jones to Oldman. Barton Fink: Lerner’s nomination is goddamn inspired and he’s best of the field, but Goodman was RIGHT THERE. The Fisher King: Amanda Plummer was so damned good and was definitely better than Mercedes Ruehl (who I love, but not necessarily in this). Glengarry Glen Ross: Pacino’s great, but I think Ed Harris and Alec Baldwin were better—to say nothing of Lemmon’s snub. A Few Good Men: J.T. Walsh > Jack Nicholson. Damage: Not quite the same, but I prefer Miranda Richardson in The Crying Game. Schindler’s List: Blasphemy incoming, but I preferred Kingsley to Fiennes. The Age of Innocence: Miriam Margolyes was better than Ryder. Quiz Show: Scofield’s good, but Turturro is great. The Usual Suspects: Not quite the same, but Spacey’s better in Se7en. Boogie Nights: Alfred Molina, William H. Macy, John C. Reilly, Philip Baker Hall, Thomas Jane and Don Cheadle were all better than Burt Reynolds. Titanic: Kathy Bates and Frances Fisher were much better than Gloria Stuart. Shakespeare in Love: Again, not quite the same . . . but Geoffrey Rush was better in Elizabeth. Gods and Monsters: Once again, not quite the same . . . but McKellen was better in Apt Pupil. Girl, Interrupted: I liked Brittany Murphy more than Angelina Jolie. Clea DuVall, too, probably. Magnolia: John C. Reilly was better than Tom Cruise (but only slightly). The Green Mile: Doug Hutchison was at least as good as Michael Clarke Duncan, and Michael Jeter and Sam Rockwell could give him a run for his money, too. The Talented Mr. Ripley: I liked Philip Seymour Hoffman a bit more than Law. Being John Malkovich: Diaz was better than Keener.
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