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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 23, 2020 13:59:53 GMT
George Burns used to tell a great old joke where he would say "I'm so old my social security number is 2" ........well mine is 3. Trying to stay hep with all you kids so spreading the word on this (MAR average age: < 9).......later this week I'll be posting about free stuff (socialism, fnck yeah!) and against capitalism (boo, hiss private property) ...................or whatever other wackadoodle sh it you rad kids are into lately. Personally I like Tay Tay (um) more than Beyonce because what did that bitch mean in "Lose My Breath" when she said "Gave you the wheel but you can't drive me".............I can totally drive you, Bey wtf? Taylor Swift Just Announced Her Eighth Album, "Folklore," Is Dropping Tonight "My gut is telling me that if you make something you love, you should just put it out into the world." www.buzzfeed.com/eleanorbate/taylor-swift-folklore-new-album
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 23, 2020 15:30:39 GMT
I've kinda given up on her music tbh after the last album was so overpraised when it's literally just shallow formulaic pop with an early 2010s sound. If the new one's going to be more of the same I'm gonna skip it. She's a poor woman's Carly Rae Jepsen, yes I SAID IT.
I still liked the doc. Seems like a cool person.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 23, 2020 15:42:58 GMT
I've kinda given up on her music tbh after the last album was so overpraised when it's literally just shallow formulaic pop with an early 2010s sound. If the new one's going to be more of the same I'm gonna skip it. She's a poor woman's Carly Rae Jepsen, yes I SAID IT. I still liked the doc. Seems like a cool person. I am not speaking to you after your outrageous Jack White attack - I am outraged! ...........but if I was still speaking to you I would mention - a Bon Iver collaboration on this record. No kidding AND Aaron Dessner of The National wrote much of it with her and produced some of it. I'm also not speaking to DeepArcher and JangoB who haven't liked a pacinoyes post in a while when I've been borderline hysterically funny or I'd tell them these things! Not kidding on Bon Iver and Dessner.......
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Post by dazed on Jul 23, 2020 15:59:53 GMT
If Kanye sticks with the release date of DONDA, which is a big if, this will be the first time the two are going head to head with album releases.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 23, 2020 16:07:06 GMT
pacinoyes I was so confused seeing that I got tagged in this thread... And I'm still so confused haha ... am I gonna have to listen to the new Taylor Swift record now? Jeez these weird 2020 development never end...
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jul 23, 2020 17:21:52 GMT
Wish she went back to her republican friendly era...
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 23, 2020 17:24:10 GMT
I am not speaking to you after your outrageous Jack White attack - I am outraged! sorry for offending but a seven-nation army couldn't hold me back from getting that one off my chest In any case, if Tay-Tay's sound evolves than I'll check it out but not before. The Bon Iver credit is interesting but I've fallen out of favor with him lately. The glitchy autotune meanderings have gotten boring. I miss the old Bon Iver, bring back the old Bon Iver, the pre-Kanye Bon Iver
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 23, 2020 17:56:04 GMT
I am not speaking to you after your outrageous Jack White attack - I am outraged! The glitchy autotune meanderings have gotten boring. I miss the old Bon Iver, bring back the old Bon Iver, the pre-Kanye Bon Iver THANK YOU. I don't understand why everyone seems to prefer electronic Bon Iver to folk Bon Iver ...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 24, 2020 11:17:42 GMT
Bombastic pop makes way for emotional acuity
Remember a couple years back when Kanye's wife played that tape of Taylor "agreeing" to be mentioned in that song and everybody took Kanye's side on Twitter and I was like ......wait she didn't actually agree to being mentioned like that at all and Kanye was kind of a dick and so was his wife ........and Twitter - like usual - was fncking wrong.....and agreed with the MAN and his disgusting penis while pacinoyes "believed all women" .....except Kanye's wife. Well anyway - 5 stars and lots of raves already - her indie album - Dessner getting much of the raves here because if you wanted to get SERIOUS who better than the National to help you do THAT ammirite? I only hope that when she wants to play sloppy drunken garage Rock she calls Westerberg.....or Jack White. anyway ......... your move Ye! Swift vs. Apple at the GRAMMYs .....pacinoyes still just listening to Mission of Burma like the past 30 years never happened ftw ........ www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jul/24/taylor-swift-folklore-review-bombastic-pop-makes-way-for-emotional-acuity
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Post by morton on Jul 24, 2020 13:54:03 GMT
I have a lot of followers on Twitter who are big fans of Taylor's. I like some of her songs, but I've never really got into her music much. I don't know if it's because at least for me, there hasn't really been any big releases and that whole atmosphere of the excitement of waiting for it, watching/listening to it, and then talking with your friends about it, so I ended up listening to the whole album after watching the video for Cardigan.
It was much better than I expected. I don't know if the album will find a permanent place in my rotation, but for now I'm enjoying all the songs which really surprised me because I usually hit the skip button a few times. There are a few songs though that I think will be in my permanent rotation.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 24, 2020 19:20:33 GMT
So ... Taylor Swift + The National kinda just sounds like ... Lana Del Rey ... Pretty good album I guess...
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 25, 2020 22:34:48 GMT
Taylor Swift is an abomination.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 27, 2020 2:27:57 GMT
Well, Taylor Swift is certainly not a musical joke anymore. I'm getting the impression this is her most acclaimed work to date, and everyone is all over it with their high scores. Waiting for a Pitchfork 9.3 is my guess. I need to listen to it..... NOW.
Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form."
I think from 2012 on............ Red and 1989 are legitimately very good albums. The latter has some nice stand out songs, but as a whole kind of runs out of steam after a certain point. Not quite good enough to be Album of the Year, but there is some nice talent behind those songs.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 27, 2020 3:01:14 GMT
Well, Taylor Swift is certainly not a musical joke anymore. I'm getting the impression this is her most acclaimed work to date, and everyone is all over it with their high scores. Waiting for a Pitchfork 9.3 is my guess. I need to listen to it..... NOW. Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." I think from 2012 on............ Red and 1989 are legitimately very good albums. The latter has some nice stand out songs, but as a whole kind of runs out of steam after a certain point. Not quite good enough to be Album of the Year, but there is some nice talent behind those songs. Swift isn't Continuum level John Mayer, as a songwriter, crafter of melody, instrumentalist, etc. Hell, I think every song on Heavier Things is better than every Taylor Swift song.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 27, 2020 3:12:55 GMT
Well, Taylor Swift is certainly not a musical joke anymore. I'm getting the impression this is her most acclaimed work to date, and everyone is all over it with their high scores. Waiting for a Pitchfork 9.3 is my guess. I need to listen to it..... NOW. Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." I think from 2012 on............ Red and 1989 are legitimately very good albums. The latter has some nice stand out songs, but as a whole kind of runs out of steam after a certain point. Not quite good enough to be Album of the Year, but there is some nice talent behind those songs. Swift isn't Continuum level John Mayer, as a songwriter, crafter of melody, instrumentalist, etc. Hell, I think every song on Heavier Things is better than every Taylor Swift song. OK. That's a bizarre take to hear John Mayer being spoken of in such a highly positive light. But like I always say...... to each his own,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 4:13:33 GMT
Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." Absolutely (though I can't agree The Beatles start was *awful* because I really like their debut). She has a good ear for melody Haven't heard this yet but Lover was a great Valentine's Day-y type pop album, whereas I'm not a fan of her pre-1989 stuff, so I'm interested to see how much I enjoy this new one
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 27, 2020 4:35:25 GMT
Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." Absolutely (though I can't agree The Beatles start was *awful* because I really like their debut). She has a good ear for melody Haven't heard this yet but Lover was a great Valentine's Day-y type pop album, whereas I'm not a fan of her pre-1989 stuff, so I'm interested to see how much I enjoy this new one I'm probably the only malevolent Beatles hater on this board, so maybe it's just me. But I find early 60s teeny-wop pop nearly unlistenable. Maybe because it's 2020, and 60s stuff like that just sounds flat to me. Not that I became a fan of them afterwards, but I personally noticed a change in their sound starting from 1965? But then, pay no attention to me, I'm far from a Beatles expert.
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Post by countjohn on Jul 27, 2020 6:27:14 GMT
Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." Not to split hairs, but in the early 60's pop still meant crooners like Sinatra. The Beatles were a rock and roll band and thus were perceived as countercultural from the start even if teenage girls liked them. The Beatles, artistically at least, weren't really "controlled" even in the early days. Their schedules in terms of when they toured, recorded, and filmed movies were controlled, but they did what they wanted in the studio. They had to fight to get Love Me Do released as their first single instead of a cover but when it became a hit they were established as hit songwriters and could record their own material which no one was doing at the time. I'm not a huge fan of the early rock and roll either but every corny, parent-approved boyband that comes around getting called "the new Beatles" is wildly off base. Then as for the later stuff, Swift has evolved and that makes her a bit more interesting than some of the other pop stars, but when has she (or anyone in the past 20 years at least) recorded anything like A Day in the Life, Strawberry Fields Forever, or Tomorrow Never Knows, just in terms of ambition and scope, whether you like those songs or not.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 27, 2020 6:59:12 GMT
Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." Not to split hairs, but in the early 60's pop still meant crooners like Sinatra. The Beatles were a rock and roll band and thus were perceived as countercultural from the start even if teenage girls liked them. The Beatles, artistically at least, weren't really "controlled" even in the early days. Their schedules in terms of when they toured, recorded, and filmed movies were controlled, but they did what they wanted in the studio. They had to fight to get Love Me Do released as their first single instead of a cover but when it became a hit they were established as hit songwriters and could record their own material which no one was doing at the time. I'm not a huge fan of the early rock and roll either but every corny, parent-approved boyband that comes around getting called "the new Beatles" is wildly off base. Then as for the later stuff, Swift has evolved and that makes her a bit more interesting than some of the other pop stars, but when has she (or anyone in the past 20 years at least) recorded anything like A Day in the Life, Strawberry Fields Forever, or Tomorrow Never Knows, just in terms of ambition and scope, whether you like those songs or not. I'm not saying The Beatles are like Sinatra. I realize that were like The Rolling Stones and The Kinks, and that they resembled a cultural shift. And don't get pedantic word by word by comparison here, I'm not saying everything of Swift applies to The Beatles as well. I'm also not saying they had their schedules controlled and didn't have a lot of artistic freedom. Even Swift had artistic freedom at the start, but of course she has more now. And of course, this has nothing to do with every corny boyband getting compared to The Beatles. Name me one contemporary boyband ever compared to The Beatles? I'm not sure I've heard that, so I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I'm not comparing Swift to The Beatles at all, at least in terms of musical similarities. Don't draw a non-equivalence here. And I don't care what your opinion on those songs are because all of those are average to me, and certainly I don't perceive any of them to hold some class distinction that nothing in the last 20 years don't sound way better to my cleansed ears. All I'm saying is The Beatles had teeny pop sounds at the start of their career, and while they musically evolved, they were still very teeny pop. I'm not saying that they resemble The Backstreet Boys, so I'm not sure what you're interjecting on that. So once again, wildly confused by your long-winded and wordy verbal streams.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 27, 2020 8:57:04 GMT
Well, Taylor Swift is certainly not a musical joke anymore. I'm getting the impression this is her most acclaimed work to date, and everyone is all over it with their high scores. Waiting for a Pitchfork 9.3 is my guess. I need to listen to it..... NOW. Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." I think from 2012 on............ Red and 1989 are legitimately very good albums. The latter has some nice stand out songs, but as a whole kind of runs out of steam after a certain point. Not quite good enough to be Album of the Year, but there is some nice talent behind those songs. I think Pitchfork culture - and I haaaaaaaaaaaaaate $hitfork culture - has really missed the boat on her by equating her with others repeatedly - she was way ahead of Beyonce or Carly Rae Jepsen early on as a writer and she's a mad careerist (a compliment here) in a way they aren't........ and even Kanye (also a careerist) can't top commercially. Heck she's a careerist in a way that very few are actually.......but she reminds me of (gasp!) Bowie who floated from genre to genre, (eventually) exploited the fnck out of all of the them and made a zillion dollars and who in his time never once made an album of the year in the 70s (not even Ziggy) and who somehow is called "Artist of the 70s" by default. I always keep an ear to pop music even though my indie Rock credentials are obviously legendary - heck Viced once said my music taste was "GOAT level" - when he thought I was senile/dead (from syphilis)/kidnapped from IMDB in 2017 ........ but I digress ......this is the first song I ever heard of hers that made me say "what a totally offensive f'n bitch" which is how I'd describe any Punk artist I'd like male or female too ......this is 2008 and I mean come on this is great and I'm not a TS fan irl and much of this thread was tongue in cheek even but.......there's a lot of truth in my original post......and here's another hot take......she deserves her (inevitable) RNR Hall of Fame spot way more than say Joan Jett does tbh......and I personally look forward to Swift's boxsets of unreleased tracks volume 1 through 16 that you just know she has planned already.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 27, 2020 9:24:49 GMT
Well, Taylor Swift is certainly not a musical joke anymore. I'm getting the impression this is her most acclaimed work to date, and everyone is all over it with their high scores. Waiting for a Pitchfork 9.3 is my guess. I need to listen to it..... NOW. Is anyone thinking she has a similar trajectory to The Beatles? The Beatles were AWFUL to start their career, doing teeny doo-wop stuff before their musical evolution. Taylor is another in the line of "pop stars who were originally controlled market products before they manifested to their musical form." I think from 2012 on............ Red and 1989 are legitimately very good albums. The latter has some nice stand out songs, but as a whole kind of runs out of steam after a certain point. Not quite good enough to be Album of the Year, but there is some nice talent behind those songs. I think Pitchfork culture - and I haaaaaaaaaaaaaate $hitfork culture - has really missed the boat on her by equating her with others repeatedly - she was way ahead of Beyonce or Carly Rae Jepsen early on as a writer and she's a mad careerist (a compliment here) in a way they aren't........ and even Kanye (also a careerist) can't top commercially. Heck she's a careerist in a way that very few are actually.......but she reminds me of (gasp!) Bowie who floated from genre to genre, (eventually) exploited the fnck out of all of the them and made a zillion dollars and who in his time never once made an album of the year in the 70s (not even Ziggy) and who somehow is called "Artist of the 70s" by default. I always keep an ear to pop music even though my indie Rock credentials are obviously legendary - heck Viced once said my music taste was "GOAT level" - when he thought I was senile/dead (from syphilis)/kidnapped from IMDB in 2017 ........ but I digress ......this is the first song I ever heard of hers that made me say "what a totally offensive f'n bitch" which is how I'd describe any Punk artist I'd like male or female too ......this is 2008 and I mean come on this is great and I'm not a TS fan irl and much of this thread was tongue in cheek even but.......there's a lot of truth in my original post......and here's another hot take......she deserves her (inevitable) RNR Hall of Fame spot way more than say Joan Jett does tbh......and I personally look forward to Swift's boxsets of unreleased tracks volume 1 through 16 that you just know she has planned already. that's some good nuggets pacinoyes. Looking just at the scores of her albums, Pitchfork has normally rated her positively. Fearless - 8.0 Red - 9.0 Folklore - 8.0 Speak Now - 8.2 I don't necessarily agree with those ratings, but those are really good scores. Folklore got less than I thought, but I think the overall consensus rates that a bit higher. (Metacritic 93) I don't think she's hated by Pitchfork culture. I think she was just originally lumped into the Britney Spears category to start her career (perhaps thought of as even lower). But of course, Britney never showed much musical talent. Some tracks more listenable than others at different periods of time, and she's personally a favorite, but yeah..... Taylor as a whole is doing things Britney has never done, and that's a remarkable achievement. I agree with what you're saying about her being a careerist. In that vein, she's kinda comparable to Kanye or Bowie. Maybe Swift is bigger by listerner-ship than Kanye...... I don't know... I guess I'm thinking about what you mean by Swift being top dog commercially. You may be right, no doubt. I think Beyonce is really good, and she's good doing Beyonce things like Taylor is doing Taylor things. I'm not sure how to distinguish the two. I guess I like Taylor more, but that's just my preference. Even though, on a song-by-song basis, I'm probably more in favor of Beyonce - even though my favorite 2 or 3 Swift songs I prefer WAY more over any Beyonce song. "Style" is beautiful and James Dean in essence. It's interesting. In 2008/2009, I was thinking more Rihanna, Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga. Swift was in the back of my mind. And she's surpassed all of them. Reminds me of Denzel in that stacked 1999 Best Actor lineup. I didn't see him overtaking Crowe, Spacey, and Penn (and Norton too). In the year 2020, Perry was obviously just a fluke. Gaga... where the hell did she go? Surely everyone thought she would've had a better career.... whoopsie. And Rihanna is just Top 40 pop to me. I guess I could see your take about the songwriting of Beyonce. I don't think the songwriting is the best attribute of her music. There's always some grinding machine pop in her songs that may overrule some of the songwriting aspects, so if they are there, it's harder to tell with her sound that I sometimes don't always like. REALLY looking forward to hearing this album. I love me some offensive bitches in music. GOD do I love me some offensive bitches in music.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 30, 2020 6:08:47 GMT
on a whim i googled this thing and pulled up the wikipedia article. 89 on metacritic (!) with the genres listed as: indie folk, alternative rock, electro-folk, and chamber pop... color me intrigued. not in any rush, but i will definitely check this out at some point.
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Post by countjohn on Jul 31, 2020 16:39:44 GMT
This seems like the thread to drop this in. www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7gpx8/taylor-swift-super-fans-are-furious-about-a-good-reviewwww.thedailybeast.com/taylor-swift-remains-silent-as-fans-doxx-and-harass-music-critic-over-folkore-review?ref=scrollApparently since Pitchfork "only" gave the album an 8.0 a bunch of Swift fans on the internet are now doxxing the reviewer and threatening to burn her house down. I can only imagine the think pieces that would be written if these were evil white male nerds doing this over a video game or comic book movie. Everyone probably knows I'm as big of a Radiohead and Beatles superfan as there is, but I just can't imagine caring about something like this. It doesn't really matter to me if other people like what I like, I like it and that's what matters to me. Current pop music culture is driven by insecurity and a desire to conform instead of be yourself. They are not punk rock at all. Now I don't think Swift has any responsibility here as the one article implied. Her fanbase is so huge there's no way you can expect her to personally control them.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 31, 2020 17:05:43 GMT
Apparently since Pitchfork "only" gave the album an 8.0 a bunch of Swift fans on the internet are now doxxing the reviewer and threatening to burn her house down. I can only imagine the think pieces that would be written if these were evil white male nerds doing this over a video game or comic book movie. Well that essentially is what happened just last month with The Last of Us Part II (which I now realize one of these articles actually mentions, haha), except that was kinda the inverse of this where the creators of the piece themselves were the ones targeted with threats and positive reviewers were harassed for being "paid off" etc... Just another sign that fandom culture is getting increasingly toxic by the day ... truly worrying and this is an especially wtf case where an 8/10 review should be positive by any metric, and by Pitchfork standards that's an AOTY contender (which tbh this album is but really not anything *more* than that except to diehard Swifties I guess)...
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