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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 13, 2021 18:24:55 GMT
I’m thinking this will be a year like 2007 for this category where the precursors go in all different directions and Oscar night is a true nail biter. So Colman = Blanchett (recent winner), Close = Ruby Dee (veteran), Zengel = Ronan (children), Bakalova = Ryan (won the most critics awards), and who's Swinton?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:55:53 GMT
I’m thinking this will be a year like 2007 for this category where the precursors go in all different directions and Oscar night is a true nail biter. A very apt comparison, and that was the year BAFTA told the tale. I will be rooting for Close again. Hillbilly Elegy is obviously far from her best work, but I just feel that she so richly deserves to be a member of the Triple Crown club... We’ll see.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 13, 2021 19:13:28 GMT
I’m thinking this will be a year like 2007 for this category where the precursors go in all different directions and Oscar night is a true nail biter. So Colman = Blanchett (recent winner), Close = Ruby Dee (veteran), Zengel = Ronan (children), Bakalova = Ryan (won the most critics awards), and who's Swinton? Dee was the veteran, but she missed BFCA, GG, BAFTA. Tilton was also respected and along with Blanchett were the only nominees to hit BFCA, GG, SAG, BAFTA.
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Post by stephen on Feb 13, 2021 20:02:21 GMT
A very apt comparison, and that was the year BAFTA told the tale. I will be rooting for Close again. Hillbilly Elegy is obviously far from her best work, but I just feel that she so richly deserves to be a member of the Triple Crown club... We’ll see. I just wish it were for a performance that I actually liked. What's worse is, I feel that if she does win, that'll be it, it's over and done, and then a couple of years later she does something that actually is worthy and what most people would want her to win for, but the time and moment have passed. And I just don't see it as a win that will age particularly well, and will just keep the cycle going of career/veteran Oscars that screw over performances with more passion and acclaim behind them. Close's best case option, at the age she's at, is to tie Peter O'Toole now. Keep that narrative alive, and get people offering her roles in hopes that it'll be the role for her. Could be Norma Desmond, could be something else entirely, but giving her the Oscar now just sort of closes the book on the whole deal, and Close could ride this train to the very end. Imagine her, in her eighties, getting the Plummer treatment.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 14, 2021 12:28:41 GMT
I will be rooting for Close again. Hillbilly Elegy is obviously far from her best work, but I just feel that she so richly deserves to be a member of the Triple Crown club... We’ll see. I just wish it were for a performance that I actually liked. What's worse is, I feel that if she does win, that'll be it, it's over and done, and then a couple of years later she does something that actually is worthy and what most people would want her to win for, but the time and moment have passed. And I just don't see it as a win that will age particularly well, and will just keep the cycle going of career/veteran Oscars that screw over performances with more passion and acclaim behind them. Close's best case option, at the age she's at, is to tie Peter O'Toole now. Keep that narrative alive, and get people offering her roles in hopes that it'll be the role for her. Could be Norma Desmond, could be something else entirely, but giving her the Oscar now just sort of closes the book on the whole deal, and Close could ride this train to the very end. Imagine her, in her eighties, getting the Plummer treatment. This exactly. Plus, at this point, the Academy becomes the joke, not Glenn.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2021 14:47:17 GMT
A very apt comparison, and that was the year BAFTA told the tale. I will be rooting for Close again. Hillbilly Elegy is obviously far from her best work, but I just feel that she so richly deserves to be a member of the Triple Crown club... We’ll see. I'm hardly known for spouting "ism" talk - on MAR - sexism, racism, ism-ism but Glenn Close is constantly a victim of ageism without any of the benefits of her age - ie a "grand master" or whatever we call distinguished comparable male actors....so sexism too I guess. She shouldn't have lost last time - and peoples reason for that was "Well, The Wife wasn't very good" or " Colman was better" which seems to me to be two "who gives af" reasons. Then people couched it with "well, she'll win for the NEXT one, 70 isn't that old!" yeah, right........and now it's "she can't win for a movie with this low critical acclaim".......... Just give her the f'n Oscar - they don't matter, they are inclusion into a club - that's it - like Prom King/Queen- not a meritocracy (at all) and again there is nothing - NOTHING wrong with career wins / make-up wins. In fact they're more honorable in some ways......at least their motivation is clear(er) There is no actor male or female who is not in the Triple Crown Club who deserves to be in it more than Glenn Close with the possible argument of Judi Dench and, I'm stretching it here - Mark Rylance.....neither of whom have a depth of TV work (both missing the Emmy) ..........and Kevin Spacey who is maybe the closest statistical rival she has and you know, isn't really in play (also missing the Emmy with a lot of nods). Let her in for Godsakes - grrrrrrrrrrrr. Even the males who are in it want her in for fmcksakes........
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Post by stephen on Feb 14, 2021 14:52:48 GMT
Just give her the f'n Oscar - they don't matter, they are inclusion into a club - that's it - like Prom King/Queen- not a meritocracy (at all) and again there is nothing - NOTHING wrong with career wins / make-up wins. In fact they're more honorable in some ways......at least their motivation is clear(er) Says the man named for the poster child for career/makeup wins. Look, if you want to honor an actor's career with an Oscar, that's what the honorary Oscar is for. Careers and past awards injustices should not factor into it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2021 15:02:41 GMT
Just give her the f'n Oscar - they don't matter, they are inclusion into a club - that's it - like Prom King/Queen- not a meritocracy (at all) and again there is nothing - NOTHING wrong with career wins / make-up wins. In fact they're more honorable in some ways......at least their motivation is clear(er) Says the man named for the poster child for career/makeup wins. Look, if you want to honor an actor's career with an Oscar, that's what the honorary Oscar is for. Careers and past awards injustices should not factor into it. Yeah, that's bullsh it stephen: Pacino won the Globe (when that mattered more), he was in a BP, he was a 2 Time nominee in '92 (first male ever for unique roles), his movie was a big hit - so if he had an Oscar then he'd have still won in '92.
That's an obvious truth .......no? You can say Oscar and careers shouldn't matter but that's YOUR awards in stephenlandia, not what exists with the Academy who has a long record of career wins.......you don't tell the NFL who to put in their Hall of Fame right? Yeah, exactly.........
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Post by stephen on Feb 14, 2021 15:13:32 GMT
Says the man named for the poster child for career/makeup wins. Look, if you want to honor an actor's career with an Oscar, that's what the honorary Oscar is for. Careers and past awards injustices should not factor into it. Yeah, that's bullsh it stephen: Pacino won the Globe (when that mattered more), he was in a BP, he was a 2 Time nominee in '92 (first male ever for unique roles), his movie was a big hit - so if he had an Oscar then he'd have still won in '92.
That's an obvious truth .......no? You can say Oscar and careers shouldn't matter but that's YOUR awards in stephenlandia, not what exists with the Academy who has a long record of career wins.......you don't tell the NFL who to put in their Hall of Fame right? Yeah, exactly......... I could easily say that the reason Pacino won the Globe was because of his never-won narrative, and his Glengarry Glen Ross nomination was just cementing that narrative. It was his year, just as it was for Jamie Foxx in 2004 and (likely) Chadwick Boseman this year.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2021 15:29:42 GMT
Yeah, that's bullsh it stephen: Pacino won the Globe (when that mattered more), he was in a BP, he was a 2 Time nominee in '92 (first male ever for unique roles), his movie was a big hit - so if he had an Oscar then he'd have still won in '92.
That's an obvious truth .......no? You can say Oscar and careers shouldn't matter but that's YOUR awards in stephenlandia, not what exists with the Academy who has a long record of career wins.......you don't tell the NFL who to put in their Hall of Fame right? Yeah, exactly......... I could easily say that the reason Pacino won the Globe was because of his never-won narrative, and his Glengarry Glen Ross nomination was just cementing that narrative. It was his year, just as it was for Jamie Foxx in 2004 and (likely) Chadwick Boseman this year.Well, you could "easily say" that but it doesn't make your initial post more true - it merely links Boseman to Foxx, not to Pacino. Pacino had 13 Golden Globe nominations and 1 previous win in '92 - Boseman and Foxx made their Golden Globe debuts in their respective Oscar nodded years (assuming Boseman is Oscar nodded of course)....... If you want to say Pacino's Golden Globe was a make-up win - that's closer to the truth - but once he won that Globe.........the Oscar race was over.....and "make up" was only part of that narrative in the Oscar race. That "poster child for make-up wins" wasn't the best choice of words - all I'm saying........
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Post by stephen on Feb 14, 2021 15:39:23 GMT
I could easily say that the reason Pacino won the Globe was because of his never-won narrative, and his Glengarry Glen Ross nomination was just cementing that narrative. It was his year, just as it was for Jamie Foxx in 2004 and (likely) Chadwick Boseman this year. Well, you could "easily say" that but it doesn't make your initial post more true - it merely links Boseman to Foxx, not to Pacino. Pacino had 13 Golden Globe nominations and 1 previous win in '92 - Boseman and Foxx made their Golden Globe debuts in their respective Oscar nodded years (assuming Boseman is Oscar nodded of course)....... If you want to say Pacino's Golden Globe was a make-up win - that's closer to the truth - but once he won that Globe.........the Oscar race was over.....and "make up" was only part of that narrative in the Oscar race. That "poster child for make-up wins" wasn't the best choice of words - all I'm saying........ Eh, I disagree. The overdue narrative was abundant in 1992 across the board. The Globes and the Oscars had that mounting pressure that it was Pacino's time. It was becoming undeniable, especially as his overdue narrative had reached at a peak. The performance itself has its fans, but I guarantee if you were to make a poll right now to ask that if people thought Pacino won on merit versus the narrative, you'd find that more people would veer towards the latter. Don't believe me? Ask.
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Post by michael128 on Feb 14, 2021 15:40:32 GMT
Even in Glenn’s Oscar thread, she’s being overshadowed by a man.
Please exit and take this to Stan Twitter.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2021 15:49:39 GMT
Well, you could "easily say" that but it doesn't make your initial post more true - it merely links Boseman to Foxx, not to Pacino. Pacino had 13 Golden Globe nominations and 1 previous win in '92 - Boseman and Foxx made their Golden Globe debuts in their respective Oscar nodded years (assuming Boseman is Oscar nodded of course)....... If you want to say Pacino's Golden Globe was a make-up win - that's closer to the truth - but once he won that Globe.........the Oscar race was over.....and "make up" was only part of that narrative in the Oscar race. That "poster child for make-up wins" wasn't the best choice of words - all I'm saying........ if you were to make a poll right now to ask that if people thought Pacino won on merit versus the narrative, you'd find that more people would veer towards the latter. Don't believe me? Ask.That's MY point, not yours stephen ..........the point is it's NOT a meritocracy.......EVER. But for Glenn Close it somehow is in 2021........
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Post by morton on Feb 14, 2021 16:15:57 GMT
I will be rooting for Close again. Hillbilly Elegy is obviously far from her best work, but I just feel that she so richly deserves to be a member of the Triple Crown club... We’ll see. I'm hardly known for spouting "ism" talk - on MAR - sexism, racism, ism-ism but Glenn Close is constantly a victim of ageism without any of the benefits of her age - ie a "grand master" or whatever we call distinguished comparable male actors....so sexism too I guess. She shouldn't have lost last time - and peoples reason for that was "Well, The Wife wasn't very good" or " Colman was better" which seems to me to be two "who gives af" reasons. Then people couched it with "well, she'll win for the NEXT one, 70 isn't that old!" yeah, right........and now it's "she can't win for a movie with this low critical acclaim".......... Just give her the f'n Oscar - they don't matter, they are inclusion into a club - that's it - like Prom King/Queen- not a meritocracy (at all) and again there is nothing - NOTHING wrong with career wins / make-up wins. In fact they're more honorable in some ways......at least their motivation is clear(er) There is no actor male or female who is not in the Triple Crown Club who deserves to be in it more than Glenn Close with the possible argument of Judi Dench and, I'm stretching it here - Mark Rylance.....neither of whom have a depth of TV work (both missing the Emmy) ..........and Kevin Spacey who is maybe the closest statistical rival she has and you know, isn't really in play (also missing the Emmy with a lot of nods). Let her in for Godsakes - grrrrrrrrrrrr. Even the males who are in it want her in for fmcksakes........ First I want to say I like the Academy’s recent trend of not giving career wins like they used to, but I agree that it’s still not nor never will be a meritocracy. If Close gets nominated again, I just want her to finally win. I wasn’t rooting for her last time, but figured she was going to win. This just seems cruel though if they actually nominate her for Hillbilly Elegy which she might have been the best thing about, but still shouldn’t have got this far. Since she has got this far though, I just want her to win. The general public generally doesn’t know why someone won an Oscar, they only know that someone won. And while a Lifetime Achievement Award would be great, they’ve missed so many people even when giving out more, I’d just rather Close get it now if they nominate her. Plus there’s no guarantee that she’ll have something in the future that she’ll be worthy for and have all the other factors needed to win. She’s still very much in demand, but even with her three nominations in the last decade, assuming she’s nominated this year, two have been for films with mixed to rotten reviews, and the other she was a lone nominee for.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 14, 2021 16:51:47 GMT
I don't think we can just assume that if Glenn Close wins, it will solely be because she is overdue. She actually gives a good performance playing against type in a film that wasn't a critics darling. I think people in the industry will respect that.
In addition to SAG, both Close and Adams are on BAFTA's short list. The film is on the shortlist with Oscar Make-Up and Hairstyling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 22:03:53 GMT
pacinoyes - I would say that Judi Dench's television career stands up very well next to Close's - she's been the lead in two series of her own ( As Time Goes By is on PBS Saturday nights - my grandmother loves it ) in addition to several filmed play adaptations for the BBC, ITV, etc. She doesn't have an Emmy, but the work speaks for itself. What Dench is missing, of course, is a bonafide iconic star turn in a film ( Fatal Attraction, Dangerous Liaisons, 101 Dalmatians). filmnoir - I agree that Close is really good in Hillbilly Elegy - again, it's obviously not her best work, but how many legendary actors actually won for their best performance?
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Post by stephen on Mar 1, 2021 15:25:12 GMT
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 1, 2021 15:50:40 GMT
Sadly, I think Bakalova will miss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 22:41:05 GMT
Slightly OT, but did you guys see OC clapping so enthusiastically for Glenn when her name was called as a nominee? It was so sweet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 13:46:47 GMT
Maria Bakalova, Borat Subsequent Moviefilm Glenn Close, Hillbilly Elegy Olivia Colman, The Father Amanda Seyfried, Mank Youn Yuh-jung, Minari
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 6, 2021 22:07:58 GMT
Who fucking knows at this point. Only confident in Colman and Youn really.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 18, 2021 23:08:22 GMT
So despite sending screeners for everything else they have, Netflix hasn't sent SAG any physical OR digital screeners for Hillbilly Elegy. Low-key feels like they're throwing in the towel for a potential Close win.
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Post by flasuss on Mar 19, 2021 1:05:37 GMT
So despite sending screeners for everything else they have, Netflix hasn't sent SAG any physical OR digital screeners for Hillbilly Elegy. Low-key feels like they're throwing in the towel for a potential Close win. Fuck these lazy bastards who can't even look for a film on Netflix.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 19, 2021 2:43:39 GMT
So despite sending screeners for everything else they have, Netflix hasn't sent SAG any physical OR digital screeners for Hillbilly Elegy. Low-key feels like they're throwing in the towel for a potential Close win. Fuck these lazy bastards who can't even look for a film on Netflix. Hey, if it helps Bakalova win, I ain't complaining.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 19, 2021 12:56:38 GMT
So despite sending screeners for everything else they have, Netflix hasn't sent SAG any physical OR digital screeners for Hillbilly Elegy. Low-key feels like they're throwing in the towel for a potential Close win. Seems odd, not like they have another condenser to push in that category.
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