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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 15, 2020 4:43:23 GMT
I'm gonna go with a similar theme here. The year.... 2005.
Heath Ledger was considered bad before Brokeback Mountain.
Keira Knightley was considered a stiff before Pride and Prejudice. (though she really only had POTC then, but most people judged her off of that) Michelle Williams was the Dawson's Creek girl before Brokeback Mountain.
Philip Seymour Hoffman isn't exactly the same situation because he wasn't considered bad, but before Capote, he was thought of more as someone who would *potentially* rule, but there wasn't the same excitement for him on IMDB as much as Johnny Depp or Ed Norton based on my vantage point.Amy Adams actually probably don't belong in this discussion. Because she was not heard of before Junebug. Not one whisper said about her. And lastly.... I don't remember a whole lot of people talking about Rachel Weisz before The Constant Gardener. I just remembered the Mummy girl, a brief appearance in Sunshine as Ralph Fiennes' lover, her pale white bootie in Enemy at the Gates, and that "the jury is mine. I can push it either way" line drilled into my mind from the Runaway Jury trailer played the hundredth time in 2003. pacinoyes cherry68 - People older than The Godfather.... any gold nuggets to share from the 70s or 80s??? Btw, I talked only about 2005 because it feels like a lot of current actors got their breakthrough that year, but.... please.... feel free to expand beyond that one year.
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Post by countjohn on Jul 15, 2020 6:00:13 GMT
Don't know that I agree with a few of these. He obviously hadn't received awards attention but I thought Ledger was already viewed as good before then in the "promising young actor" category. So Brokeback was a breakout for him to an extent but it's not like everyone thought he sucked.
People who were paying attention absolutely already thought PSH was great. Capote isn't even his best work up to that point. Winning an Oscar will certainly increase your name ID but I wouldn't say "nobody considered him good".
Probably right on the others. At the end of Dawson's Creek most people thought Katie Holmes was going to be the one with the big movie career and Weisz was mostly just known for The Mummy. People also forget how controversial Knightley being cast in P&P was. The Austenites on the internet went nuclear.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 15, 2020 6:18:12 GMT
Don't know that I agree with a few of these. He obviously hadn't received awards attention but I thought Ledger was already viewed as good before then in the "promising young actor" category. So Brokeback was a breakout for him to an extent but it's not like everyone thought he sucked. People who were paying attention absolutely already thought PSH was great. Capote isn't even his best work up to that point. Winning an Oscar will certainly increase your name ID but I wouldn't say "nobody considered him good". Probably right on the others. At the end of Dawson's Creek most people thought Katie Holmes was going to be the one with the big movie career and Weisz was mostly just known for The Mummy. People also forget how controversial Knightley being cast in P&P was. The Austenites on the internet went nuclear. Who talked about Ledger before Brokeback Mountain? Whenever he was brought up, it was about how mediocre or blank he was. If there was someone placed into the "promising young actor" category, it was Hoffman rather than Ledger - who was just not rated. And re-read what I said about Hoffman. He doesn't follow the same milieu that my thread line suggested, but read past my thread line. Before Capote he wasn't making no Top 50 actors list. But yes, he was thought of as good. And I agree with you, his best performance was 7 years before Capote was even released but most people remember 2005-2012 more from him.... because that's when he stopped being "underrated." I don't remember the Knightley thing. I just remember people laughing off the girl who was laughably bad in Pirates of the Caribbean saying it would never work.
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 15, 2020 6:30:50 GMT
Maybe Dean Martin before Rio Bravo.
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Post by chris3 on Jul 15, 2020 6:41:39 GMT
I know for more than a few films buffs it was The Rover, his Cronenberg films, and/or Lost City of Z, but I feel like the vast majority of mainstream moviegoers did not take Robert Pattinson seriously until they discovered Good Time on streaming.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 9:06:30 GMT
pacinoyes cherry68 - People older than The Godfather.... any gold nuggets to share from the 70s or 80s??? You know my age is really exaggerated I mean, how old is the wind after all? Do people ever ask the sky how old it is? I mean those people who talk to the sky at all obviously...........um........ Jane Fonda I think fits here - she was a sex symbol until They Shoot Horses Don't They? and she courted that image as Roger Vadim's very sexy wife too - no one really thought she had those chops although in retrospect she was doing good work through the whole 60s but at the time it was more .....
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Post by stephen on Jul 15, 2020 19:12:08 GMT
Charlize Theron's 1990s output leave a lot to be desired. Like, holy shit.
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Post by finniussnrub on Jul 15, 2020 19:38:16 GMT
Oscar Isaac pre-Inside Llewyn Davis (or perhaps Drive), though some of his more recent works suggests he might be returning to his "roots".
Also, though I don't think people began thinking of him as a great actor, there was a tremendous positive shift for Keanu Reeves after John Wick.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 15, 2020 20:00:04 GMT
Matthew McConaughey before the McConaissance
Jaime Foxx before Ray/Collateral
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 15, 2020 20:25:28 GMT
Matthew McConaughey before the McConaissance Jaime Foxx before Ray/Collateral McConaughey was something of a prestige actor in the mid to late 90's. He was in things like A Time To Kill and Contact and Amistad. 90's McConaughey was considered a very good actor indeed. He was being marketed as the new Paul Newman.The guy was scoring leads in Steven Spielberg and Robert Zemeckis oscarbait (and they were both at the peak of their power as directors in Hollywood when they cast McConaughey). It went a bit wrong for McConaughey. He made some poor, generic choices that didn't showcase him as an actor, and fell into becoming a lead in disposable and shallow romantic comedies, when the genre was reaching it's most formulaic nadir. So for nearly a decade McConaughey managed to make people forget that they once considered him a potentially great actor. But he was considered a pretty good actor before the McConniassance. You just have to go all the way back to that mid 90's window where all the top directors thought he was the new Paul Newman.
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Post by JangoB on Jul 15, 2020 20:32:30 GMT
Adam Sandler and Punch-Drunk Love seems like a fitting enough answer.
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Post by stephen on Jul 15, 2020 20:36:12 GMT
Oscar Isaac pre- Inside Llewyn Davis (or perhaps Drive), though some of his more recent works suggests he might be returning to his "roots". God, I remember when in the mid-2010s, when Oscar Isaac was sanctified as this immense, can-do-no-wrong heir apparent to Pacino that everyone on IMDb and beyond loved, and I was out there going, "Uh, did you guys not see Robin Hood or Sucker Punch?"
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 15, 2020 20:40:27 GMT
Adam Sandler and Punch-Drunk Love seems like a fitting enough answer. A lot of people (myself included) thought Sandler was an excellent comic actor long before he did a PTA movie. Yeah critics like to shit on Sandler comedies, but in things like Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison and The Waterboy, the man showed he was a skilled comic actor and a lot of people rated him on that front before critics decided to start cutting him some slack. Critics actually jumped on the Sandler train first with The Wedding Singer, which came before Punch Drunk Love. They were kind to both the movie and Sandler's performance in The Wedding Singer, because it was more their kind of movie.
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Post by morton on Jul 16, 2020 0:48:07 GMT
Oscar Isaac pre- Inside Llewyn Davis (or perhaps Drive), though some of his more recent works suggests he might be returning to his "roots". God, I remember when in the mid-2010s, when Oscar Isaac was sanctified as this immense, can-do-no-wrong heir apparent to Pacino that everyone on IMDb and beyond loved, and I was out there going, "Uh, did you guys not see Robin Hood or Sucker Punch?"
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 16, 2020 9:48:43 GMT
the dude talking about Keanu....
Keanu is like Nicolas Cage. Revisionist targets because they define the cool 90s. Those films that people wanna go back and revise thru today's lens. That's why he's getting a turnaround. Also their movies are played on TV a lot because they made a strong enough mark in the 90s.
I also think Jennifer Lawrence fits that bill, sort of. I also think she'll get a revisionism - since her steam cooled after 2015. Though, maybe she won't actually need it because she has 4 movies coming out in 2021/2022.... I'd be surprised if she doesn't pick up at least 1 Oscar nomination among those.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jul 16, 2020 12:56:27 GMT
There were enough people who liked her pre-2013 work - like Lost in Translation and Match Point -, but I think that after Her and Under the Skin that year, there was a huge switch in how cinephiles saw Scarlett Johansson.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 16, 2020 13:24:40 GMT
There were enough people who liked her pre-2013 work - like Lost in Translation and Match Point -, but I think that after Her and Under the Skin that year, there was a huge switch in how cinephiles saw Scarlett Johansson. What switch was that? Isn't that more applicable to Dunst after 2011? What about the switch in 2019? Her first Oscar nod (and came in a pair) after being snubbed 3 or 4 times previously.
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Post by stephen on Jul 16, 2020 14:47:28 GMT
There were enough people who liked her pre-2013 work - like Lost in Translation and Match Point -, but I think that after Her and Under the Skin that year, there was a huge switch in how cinephiles saw Scarlett Johansson. What switch was that? Isn't that more applicable to Dunst after 2011? What about the switch in 2019? Her first Oscar nod (and came in a pair) after being snubbed 3 or 4 times previously. Dunst was fairly well-liked as a child actress who had crossed over into adult roles fairly successfully, and her Coppola collaborations were certainly a plus. Melancholia was more of a reminder that she was more than deserving of the Natalie Portman treatment. As for Johansson, people go through hot and cold spells with her for a few reasons, namely her attachment to franchise fare and, most notably, the controversy surrounding some of her career choices and comments.
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