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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 9, 2020 23:27:40 GMT
her Part II in the next 20 years?
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Post by dadsburgers on Jul 9, 2020 23:43:04 GMT
Maybe not as great as the first Godfather, but we've already had many better than the second.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jul 9, 2020 23:47:29 GMT
Quite a few people have already, to be honest.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 9, 2020 23:50:22 GMT
It's hard for people to agree that one film is the best, but I was just thinking yesterday that my favorite films are from post-The Godfather.So I would definitely say The Godfather is the biggest gamechanger of all-time. It literally made me reconstruct the prime golden age of films which to me is 1972-2006. On that note..... Coppola's daughter also contributed.  Her last REALLY great film was released in the last year of that era.... 2006.  |
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Post by stephen on Jul 9, 2020 23:56:34 GMT
A film better than The Godfather: Part II just won Best Picture, so . . .
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 9, 2020 23:59:04 GMT
A film better than The Godfather: Part II just won Best Picture, so . . . You really believe that? I can't tell if I'm crazy or some of you guys are crazy. |
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Post by stephen on Jul 10, 2020 0:10:53 GMT
A film better than The Godfather: Part II just won Best Picture, so . . . You really believe that? I can't tell if I'm crazy or some of you guys are crazy. I really believe that. The Godfather: Part II is a damn fine film but for people to consider it this untouchable, beyond-reproach movie that can never be topped despite the fact it's almost half a century old is ridiculous. Hell, it's not even the best movie of 1974 in my viewpoint. Hell, it's not even Coppola's best movie from that same year in my book. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 10, 2020 0:12:07 GMT
You really believe that? I can't tell if I'm crazy or some of you guys are crazy. I really believe that. The Godfather: Part II is a damn fine film but for people to consider it this untouchable, beyond-reproach movie that can never be topped despite the fact it's almost half a century old is ridiculous. Hell, it's not even the best movie of 1974 in my viewpoint. Hell, it's not even Coppola's best movie from that same year in my book. Damn dude! I think it demolishes The Conversation. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one! |
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Post by stephen on Jul 10, 2020 0:22:01 GMT
I really believe that. The Godfather: Part II is a damn fine film but for people to consider it this untouchable, beyond-reproach movie that can never be topped despite the fact it's almost half a century old is ridiculous. Hell, it's not even the best movie of 1974 in my viewpoint. Hell, it's not even Coppola's best movie from that same year in my book. Damn dude! I think it demolishes The Conversation. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one! I think The Conversation says everything that The Godfather franchise has to say about isolation and loneliness without the grand epic scale. But really, in the end, both are stone-cold masterworks by a director operating at his sheer peak. But when compared with Badlands and Chinatown and even lesser-known (but no means lesser) offerings like Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia and The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser that same year, I can't reconcile The Godfather: Part II as this untouchable, unassailable totem. It's a fantastic film, make no mistake, and if it's your top film then I certainly respect it as a fine choice, but threads like this always make it seem like there's no use arguing against it, especially if you don't feel like a film has come along in nearly fifty years to challenge it. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 10, 2020 0:27:48 GMT
futuretrunks - I think a follow-up question you should ask is..... is there gonna be another year as great as 1974? The answer is.......... NO. 4 films are in My Top 50 including GF: Part 2. That's tied for my personal most along with 2000. So based on the strength of its own year.... I get what stephen is saying that it might not even be best film of 1974.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 10, 2020 0:29:50 GMT
Doubt it....at least in English and as a movie - maybe on TV. The cultural changes in the US are not suggestive of a deeper cinema for a long time now - in fact - if there was to be a deeper cinema it would have occurred as an immediate reaction to Trump actually. Culturally we are too vapid, lethargic and compartmentalized - and there's not an environment of people pushing each other competitively in the craft either. Movies in the US are a participation prize in 2020 and its peak has passed as it has in Literature, Painting, Rock music - doesn't mean you can't get great things - it's not THAT bleak  - but you won't be seeing anyone writing The Great Gatsby in the next 20 years or painting a Nighthawks or knocking off a Desolation Row any time soon either I reckon because the creators of all those were not vapid, lethargic or compartmentalized and crucially neither was the mass audience........it's always possible since the art form itself isn't dead but um........it's certainly not in great shape to say the least. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 1:18:12 GMT
Uh, absolutely yes.
Godfather Part II is great (Top 5 of 1974, maybe Top 3) but tons of masterful cinema exists after it and will continue to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 1:20:27 GMT
futuretrunks - I think a follow-up question you should ask is..... is there gonna be another year as great as 1974? 1975 '74 is definitely very high up there for film years though |
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Post by countjohn on Jul 10, 2020 2:01:47 GMT
If this was the first film the answer would be no. There is one better movie before it and none after it and it comes a little after the halfway point in the history of the feature film.
Movies better than Godfather II come out all the time, most every year. I like it but it has problems and is not an all time great film.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 10, 2020 2:12:03 GMT
I am a card carrying member of the group that lionizes The Godfather: Part II so I'm obligated to say no lest I lose my membership.
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Post by themoviesinner on Jul 10, 2020 6:06:45 GMT
Hundreds of films, have been just as good or even better. They are good films, but definitely nothing all that special, at least for me. Actually if I had to make a list of the top 1000 films of all time, I probably wouldn't include them.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 10, 2020 13:22:51 GMT
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Post by oneflyr on Jul 10, 2020 15:38:19 GMT
no need to go any further than One from the Heart, Dracula, Apocalypse Now, Tetro, Twixt, etc
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 10, 2020 21:37:11 GMT
I mean... we're talking about one of the 10 greatest films of all time... what are the chances that someone in the next 20 years makes one of the 10 greatest films of all time??
I'd say not great. Under the Skins don't come around very often.
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Post by franklin on Sept 7, 2020 17:03:18 GMT
I bump this thread, but I think in the 21st Century we got close with There Will Be Blood.
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Post by isabelaolive on Sept 8, 2020 0:31:25 GMT
Since TGP2 was released, there have been several and several better films, obviously not all have the same popularity and status or the same 'impact', but yes, there have been better films and there will certainly be many more in the future. In fact, I never understood why TGP2 was considered the best Coppola film or the best in the trilogy, I always thought the first was infinitely superior. |
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Her last REALLY great film was released in the last year of that era.... 2006. 
- but you won't be seeing anyone writing The Great Gatsby in the next 20 years or painting a Nighthawks or knocking off a Desolation Row any time soon either I reckon because the creators of all those were not vapid, lethargic or compartmentalized and crucially neither was the mass audience........it's always possible since the art form itself isn't dead but um........it's certainly not in great shape to say the least. 
