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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 27, 2020 19:05:15 GMT
Filmed stage plays have been nominated for acting awards before. Was there a planned theatrical release? Even if it is will the Academy be interested in giving them Oscars for the exact same performance they won Tony’s for?
If no, I’m curious how a filmed eligible adaptation with this cast would have done? I think there is a real chance Leslie Odem could have done very well. They probably would have pushed he supporting (though he’s co-lead) and he could have won. Maybe Diggs too?
They will make a theatrical adaptation of this some day but by then the cast might have aged out of the roles. They won’t be in a hurry.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 27, 2020 19:19:38 GMT
Update: Ex Buzzer turned Oscar pundit Will Mavity says it is in fact eligible. Now it’s just up to if the Academy will want to nominate them. They have before but it’s been a long time.
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Post by stephen on Jun 27, 2020 19:22:30 GMT
Yeah, it's eligible. The thing is, I think it'd be a major missed opportunity if they pushed for it, because I think this really could've been built as a landmark cinematic event with a proper adaptation. I'll never understand why Spielberg wanted to opt for a West Side Story remake when he could've taken on Hamilton and given it the sweeping cinematic feel it deserves (and the budget, of course).
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Post by morton on Jun 27, 2020 19:29:31 GMT
Yeah, it's eligible. The thing is, I think it'd be a major missed opportunity if they pushed for it, because I think this really could've been built as a landmark cinematic event with a proper adaptation. I'll never understand why Spielberg wanted to opt for a West Side Story remake when he could've taken on Hamilton and given it the sweeping cinematic feel it deserves (and the budget, of course). It would have made more sense to me. It wouldn't have been compared to a classic that won Best Picture, and Hamilton was so hot at the time. Not to say it's still not popular, but you know if back when Spielberg announced he was going to remake WSS, it was Hamilton instead, it would still have the same measure of heat that it had at that time. Plus, it seems more up his alley, and he and Lin-Manuel Miranda seemed like they would have gotten along, at least to me.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 27, 2020 19:57:13 GMT
Yeah, it's eligible. The thing is, I think it'd be a major missed opportunity if they pushed for it, because I think this really could've been built as a landmark cinematic event with a proper adaptation. I'll never understand why Spielberg wanted to opt for a West Side Story remake when he could've taken on Hamilton and given it the sweeping cinematic feel it deserves (and the budget, of course). Apparently they weren’t planning on releasing a true theatrical adaptation for many years until they were done making money.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 27, 2020 20:46:24 GMT
Yeah, it's eligible. The thing is, I think it'd be a major missed opportunity if they pushed for it, because I think this really could've been built as a landmark cinematic event with a proper adaptation. I'll never understand why Spielberg wanted to opt for a West Side Story remake when he could've taken on Hamilton and given it the sweeping cinematic feel it deserves (and the budget, of course). He opted for 'WSS' because it's his favorite musical and he dreamed about making it for ages. I also would've loved to see him adapt a musical that hasn't been done before (I would kill to see his take on 'Sunday in the Park with George') but it's pretty clear why he picked 'WSS'. I can't imagine him not realizing the burden of following up a classic movie. It's just more pressure. But you do what you gotta do when it comes to dream projects.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 27, 2020 21:10:23 GMT
Yeah, it's eligible. The thing is, I think it'd be a major missed opportunity if they pushed for it, because I think this really could've been built as a landmark cinematic event with a proper adaptation. I'll never understand why Spielberg wanted to opt for a West Side Story remake when he could've taken on Hamilton and given it the sweeping cinematic feel it deserves (and the budget, of course). I’m glad he didn’t. I love Spielberg, but Hamilton would need a more stylized flair that I’m not sure Spielberg’s quite equipped for. Yeah, he can handle political backrooms and set-pieces like nobody’s business, but I feel like it needs a younger hand behind the camera. That, and I don’t know if Hamilton is something that really needs an “epic” scale he’d try to give it.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 28, 2020 0:23:14 GMT
If it's eligible, it'll win.
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Post by dadsburgers on Jun 28, 2020 2:57:29 GMT
Really? Very interesting. If voters honor this, then really it should get:
Picture Supporting Actor, Daveed Diggs Supporting Actor, Leslie Odom Jr. Supporting Actress, Renee Elise Goldsberry Supporting Actress, Philippa Soo (if not too competitive) Adapted Screenplay, Lin-Manuel Miranda Costume Design?
Would the songs be eligible? If so, which 2 would they choose to promote? Alexander Hamilton and My Shot?
Honestly, Fences wasn't too different and I still give that all the wins.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 28, 2020 7:23:35 GMT
Really? Very interesting. If voters honor this, then really it should get: Picture Supporting Actor, Daveed Diggs Supporting Actor, Leslie Odom Jr. Supporting Actress, Renee Elise Goldsberry Supporting Actress, Philippa Soo (if not too competitive) Adapted Screenplay, Lin-Manuel Miranda Costume Design? Would the songs be eligible? If so, which 2 would they choose to promote? Alexander Hamilton and My Shot? Honestly, Fences wasn't too different and I still give that all the wins. The songs will not be eligible. They won’t be considered original to the film since they were in the play.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jul 3, 2020 21:25:26 GMT
After watching feel like either none of the actors get nominated for it or like 4 of them do. It depends on how they feel about the format.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 4, 2020 4:49:32 GMT
with all this hype I wouldn't count it out. The buzz is insane--4.5 on Letterboxd with 13k votes, 9.3 on IMDb, 91 on Metacritic. It's a smash-hit with critics and viewers alike. I kind of assumed we were over Hamilton at this point but clearly not. Haven't heard a single song or seen anything of the performance and it'd be much easier to ignore this film if the IP wasn't still so hot, but now I just have to see what all this damn hype is about.
How a Broadway show with such extremely narrow access in the internet age even became a viral sensation in the first place is astonishing. I don't even care if the songs are catchy, it's a thing that 99.9% of the people talking about it were never gonna see... until now anyways. That's crazy.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jul 4, 2020 6:28:23 GMT
I hope/think it won't go anywhere.
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Post by pendragon on Jul 4, 2020 6:53:51 GMT
Given that many in the Academy are still reluctant to see Netflix movies as "real" movies, I think this is going to get even more push-back.
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Post by flasuss on Jul 5, 2020 4:07:15 GMT
I don't see much of a chance of winning anything, since, regardless of it's quality, it's literally a filmed play from 4 years ago.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 6, 2020 2:45:57 GMT
I loved this but agree it has no shot at the Oscars. Maybe comedy/musical GG could happen though.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jul 6, 2020 20:33:02 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jul 6, 2020 20:39:45 GMT
Good. I'd rather they adapt it properly for the cinema, and give Lin-Manuel the opportunity to add a song or two.
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 6, 2020 20:41:17 GMT
They filmed like over three-four days, planned... union rates, north of $5m budget etc. But not a "real" movie?? "When poosh comes to shove.... "
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Post by finniussnrub on Jul 6, 2020 20:43:56 GMT
So will they be retroactively removing Whitmore's Best Actor nomination then?
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jul 6, 2020 20:45:42 GMT
Good. I'd rather they adapt it properly for the cinema, and give Lin-Manuel the opportunity to add a song or two. Not sure I agree with you because I don’t think they are going to get around to making a movie of this for at least ten years and by then the cast will either be busy with other things or aged out of the roles. It’s the cast I care most about because they deserve the world. Have you seen it yet? It’s VERY theatrical. I’m not sure it would do as well as a cinematic event.
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Post by stephen on Jul 6, 2020 20:51:46 GMT
Good. I'd rather they adapt it properly for the cinema, and give Lin-Manuel the opportunity to add a song or two. Not sure I agree with you because I don’t think they are going to get around to making a movie of this for at least ten years and by then the cast will either be busy with other things or aged out of the roles. It’s the cast I care most about because they deserve the world. Have you seen it yet? It’s VERY theatrical. I’m not sure it would do as well as a cinematic event. To be honest, I don't think we necessarily need the original cast in order for a cinematic version to work. That's part of the magic of adaptation. We have all been fortunate enough to see the stage production filmed, but there's no reason that the film version needs any of the original actors back (or in the same roles). The only thing we need to ensure is that Tom Hooper and Rob Marshall are nowhere near it when they make it. I definitely agree the cast deserves the world, but I don't want them to be anchored to these roles forever. They should have the opportunity to do other things and make their marks elsewhere.
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Post by stephen on Jul 6, 2020 20:54:40 GMT
So will they be retroactively removing Whitmore's Best Actor nomination then? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the production of Give 'Em Hell, Harry! that was filmed was in Seattle, so I wonder whether there might be a question of eligibility due to the fact that Whitmore wasn't competing directly for awards when performing it as a play, but Hamilton's production was the Broadway one, which had already netted Tony wins. That would make more sense, because honestly, there's nothing about the filmed version of Hamilton that should compete for any prize save for Editing.
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Post by finniussnrub on Jul 6, 2020 20:58:57 GMT
So will they be retroactively removing Whitmore's Best Actor nomination then? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the production of Give 'Em Hell, Harry! that was filmed was in Seattle, so I wonder whether there might be a question of eligibility due to the fact that Whitmore wasn't competing directly for awards when performing it as a play, but Hamilton's production was the Broadway one, which had already netted Tony wins. That would make more sense, because honestly, there's nothing about the filmed version of Hamilton that should compete for any prize save for Editing. Well Whitmore did win a Grammy for it, just as Hamilton won a Grammy despite winning Tonys. There's never been rules against something winning for technically the same work in different mediums and the awards that represent those mediums.
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Post by stephen on Jul 6, 2020 21:02:04 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the production of Give 'Em Hell, Harry! that was filmed was in Seattle, so I wonder whether there might be a question of eligibility due to the fact that Whitmore wasn't competing directly for awards when performing it as a play, but Hamilton's production was the Broadway one, which had already netted Tony wins. That would make more sense, because honestly, there's nothing about the filmed version of Hamilton that should compete for any prize save for Editing. Well Whitmore did win a Grammy for it, just as Hamilton won a Grammy despite winning Tonys. There's never been rules against something winning for technically the same work in different mediums and the awards that represent those mediums. There really ought to be, though, especially when it comes to the cinematic medium. Otherwise, you could make the argument that a TV re-run of Sophie's Choice could make Streep eligible for an Emmy. And now that we're entering the heyday of stage productions being broadcast in cinemas, that just opens up a massive can of worms. I don't think this should retroactively affect Whitmore or other similar cases, but going forward there should be restrictions.
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