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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 1:44:15 GMT
I really like all of these performances (I'd personally nominate the first two) - 1. Rambling Rose (1991) 2. Marriage Story (2019) 3. Wild (2014) Still find the backlash towards her winning performance perplexing... How do you rank them?  |
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Post by stephen on Jun 25, 2020 1:49:08 GMT
1. Wild. One of the most touching, devastating portrayals of motherhood and she outright obliterates Arquette's amateurish stab at the same subject that same year.
2. Rambling Rose. Not quite my favorite performance from this era of her career, but she's quite good and it's inspired how they went with her and Ladd that same year. Still, she should've gotten in the previous year for Wild at Heart.
3. Marriage Story. Very good and I love that she is an Oscar winner, but it just feels somewhat lacking in comparison to the rest of her repertoire.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 25, 2020 1:51:29 GMT
1. Rambling Rose
2. Wild
3. Marriage Story
I like all three but only nominate the first two. I think the backlash against her win comes down to the fact that she doesn't do that much with the role and yet every single awards and critic group throughout the whole season (minus a couple exceptions) handed her the win, which was a little annoying. Doesn't feel like it would be the kind of performance to just dominate like that, but none of that's Dern's fault and of course she's still very good/watchable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 1:56:14 GMT
Tommen_Saperstein - Do you always have to stretch to nail a role, though? I find her immensely entertaining here.
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Post by stephen on Jun 25, 2020 2:39:54 GMT
Tommen_Saperstein - Do you always have to stretch to nail a role, though? I find her immensely entertaining here. I can't speak for Tommen, but I think some of the backlash comes from the fact that before even a frame of the film had been screened, Dern was already being considered a frontrunner to win, but once the film was seen, some people (myself included) were thinking, "Yeah, she's very good but I dunno if I'd say she should win based off of this." And then she swept. And it didn't help that her closest critical competitor, an actress who played a much larger role in a film dealing with a more topical issue (women rising up against the men who had minimized and objectified them), was snubbed in the end, essentially clearing the path to Dern's victory without much competition. Dern kinda falls into the mold of the 2017 first-timers: Janney, Oldman, and Rockwell. Those three were, before 2017, absolutely revered as some of the greatest actors to go unrecognized by the Academy. But holy shit, the backlash that rained down when they all won. I never would've seen that coming from the way they were worshipped on IMDb back in, say, 2013. Dern's win, I think, will age a bit better but still be seen as them just recognizing a well-loved and respected veteran actress in the business (and an Academy governor, to boot). |
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 25, 2020 3:41:21 GMT
Tommen_Saperstein - Do you always have to stretch to nail a role, though? I find her immensely entertaining here. I can't speak for Tommen, but I think some of the backlash comes from the fact that before even a frame of the film had been screened, Dern was already being considered a frontrunner to win, but once the film was seen, some people (myself included) were thinking, "Yeah, she's very good but I dunno if I'd say she should win based off of this." And then she swept. And it didn't help that her closest critical competitor, an actress who played a much larger role in a film dealing with a more topical issue (women rising up against the men who had minimized and objectified them), was snubbed in the end, essentially clearing the path to Dern's victory without much competition. Dern kinda falls into the mold of the 2017 first-timers: Janney, Oldman, and Rockwell. Those three were, before 2017, absolutely revered as some of the greatest actors to go unrecognized by the Academy. But holy shit, the backlash that rained down when they all won. I never would've seen that coming from the way they were worshipped on IMDb back in, say, 2013. Dern's win, I think, will age a bit better but still be seen as them just recognizing a well-loved and respected veteran actress in the business (and an Academy governor, to boot). I don't think Dern got quite the flack of the other three because there wasn't somebody the internet was overly passionate about in the category with her. Florence Pugh is probably closest, but she's gonna have a million more chances and was never a threat to win at any point. Of the three you mentioned, people have seemed to really turn on Rockwell in particular. His Three Billboards character (if not necessarily his performance) probably isn't going to age well and feels especially out of touch given the current climate. He beat the beloved Dafoe, too. Then he got nominated for a performance no one could understand why he was nominated for in Vice and beat the more praised Jerome and Harris at the SAG awards for Fosse/Verdon. After years of people wondering why he was never noticed, it's been weird to see people completely turn on him when they got their wish. |
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Post by JangoB on Jun 25, 2020 8:46:42 GMT
1. Rambling Rose
2. Wild
3. Marriage Story
The first one is more interesting than the others and overall I think the Academy recognized her safer, less fascinating work. It's all good work though thankfully, just not that special. Oh how I wish that cow campaign would've worked so that she'd received a nomination for "Inland Empire"!
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Post by stephen on Jun 25, 2020 11:44:13 GMT
I can't speak for Tommen, but I think some of the backlash comes from the fact that before even a frame of the film had been screened, Dern was already being considered a frontrunner to win, but once the film was seen, some people (myself included) were thinking, "Yeah, she's very good but I dunno if I'd say she should win based off of this." And then she swept. And it didn't help that her closest critical competitor, an actress who played a much larger role in a film dealing with a more topical issue (women rising up against the men who had minimized and objectified them), was snubbed in the end, essentially clearing the path to Dern's victory without much competition. Dern kinda falls into the mold of the 2017 first-timers: Janney, Oldman, and Rockwell. Those three were, before 2017, absolutely revered as some of the greatest actors to go unrecognized by the Academy. But holy shit, the backlash that rained down when they all won. I never would've seen that coming from the way they were worshipped on IMDb back in, say, 2013. Dern's win, I think, will age a bit better but still be seen as them just recognizing a well-loved and respected veteran actress in the business (and an Academy governor, to boot). I don't think Dern got quite the flack of the other three because there wasn't somebody the internet was overly passionate about in the category with her. Florence Pugh is probably closest, but she's gonna have a million more chances and was never a threat to win at any point. Of the three you mentioned, people have seemed to really turn on Rockwell in particular. His Three Billboards character (if not necessarily his performance) probably isn't going to age well and feels especially out of touch given the current climate. He beat the beloved Dafoe, too. Then he got nominated for a performance no one could understand why he was nominated for in Vice and beat the more praised Jerome and Harris at the SAG awards for Fosse/Verdon. After years of people wondering why he was never noticed, it's been weird to see people completely turn on him when they got their wish. Yeah, I think that if you'd had Lopez in there with her, she might be a bit more derided, because that performance seemed to generate more passion than anyone else in the category (which, to be fair, was really weak even by Supporting Actress standards; Johansson's the only one I personally would have in my Top 20 for the year). I think it was just one of those cases where if they had to just throw up their hands and give Dern a win, this was probably the year to do it, and it's not like she screwed over someone else in the process like a lot of perceived veteran wins tend to do. Rockwell really did get the monkey's paw treatment, it seems. I actually really like his winning performance (though it's probably my least favorite of the nominees, only because I think it's quite a strong crew) and I think a lot of the backlash against him and that film in general is somewhat misguided (but that's a topic for another day). Vice I can definitely see the criticism but I think he does well with what he's given, which yes, is basically an SNL-level impersonation, but when the alternative is Chalamet at his unbearable whiniest, I'm fine with a Rockwell afterglow nod. But you remember the old board, and how revered he was. But the second he got an ounce of actual recognition, it seemed that even his staunchest supporters turned on him. Oldman and Janney, too. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 25, 2020 13:02:29 GMT
1. Rambling Rose
2. Marriage Story
3. Wild
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