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Post by themoviesinner on Jun 24, 2020 8:26:35 GMT
We are always talking about the same actors all the time, so I thought this matchup will be quite unique and interesting. Both actors have only starred in action films and neither of them is known for their acting chops. This choice is easy for me though, as I think Dolph Lundgren brings a certain charm to his roles, while I always thought Steven Seagal was a charisma vacuum. So, what do you guys think?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 24, 2020 8:42:15 GMT
I don't think I can really vote because I haven't seen that many Lundgren films tbh and I love Under Siege (1992) out of all proportion but that's for TL Jones......I'll say this though - I'm tempted to vote for Lundgren just for how Seagal's hairpiece (?) looks in that photo.....
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Post by themoviesinner on Jun 24, 2020 8:45:40 GMT
I don't think I can really vote because I haven't seen that many Lundgren films tbh and I love Under Siege (1992) out of all proportion but that's for TL Jones......I'll say this though - I'm tempted to vote for Lundgren just for how Seagal's hairpiece (?) looks in that photo..... Yeah, I deliberately posted a not so flattering picture of his just to highlight his lack of charisma.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 9:03:35 GMT
Dolph.
He is actually a surprisingly decent actor. It's easy to think of him as an overly muscled meathead, and he has played a lot of roles that fit into that stereotype, but he's done underrated work as the first screen version of The Punisher. A great antagonist in Universal Soldier. The evolution of his iconic Ivan Drago character in Creed 2 was fantastic. He gave a genuinely tragic performance as an older, bitter Drago.
He tried his best as He-Man in Masters Of The Universe, though the film kinda sucked.
He actually acted a sleepwalking Willem Dafoe off the screen in Aquaman, giving one of the film's more notable performances as a Sea King.
Seagal is much more one-note and one dimensional than Dolph as an actor. And Seagal's stoic badass routine became a lot harder to take seriously when he got fat.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 24, 2020 9:27:07 GMT
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Post by themoviesinner on Jun 24, 2020 9:28:36 GMT
Dolph. He is actually a surprisingly decent actor. It's easy to think of him as an overly muscled meathead, and he has played a lot of roles that fit into that stereotype, but he's done underrated work as the first screen version of The Punisher. A great antagonist in Universal Soldier. The evolution of his iconic Ivan Drago character in Creed 2 was fantastic. He gave a genuinely tragic performance as an older, bitter Drago. He tried his best as He-Man in Masters Of The Universe, though the film kinda sucked. He actually acted a sleepwalking Willem Dafoe off the screen in Aquaman, giving one of the film's more notable performances as a Sea King. Seagal is much more one-note and one dimensional than Dolph as an actor. And Seagal's stoic badass routine became a lot harder to take seriously when he got fat. I definitely agree. I think Lundgren is pretty underappreciated as an actor. He always tries to bring something different with each character he portrays and adapts to the needs of the film, whereas Seagal does the exact same thing in each of his roles. Even in Machete, where he plays the bad guy, he does the same stoic badass routine, without any variety. The only film I find him quite fun in is Under Siege.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 24, 2020 9:30:46 GMT
Lundgren is at least capable of expressing emotion while Seagal just always has the same squinty face. Unlike Lundgren, Seagal seems almost totally detached from a sense of humor which is another disadvantage.
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Post by ibbi on Jun 24, 2020 9:30:52 GMT
Dolph Lundgren in Universal Soldier is glorious. GLORIOUS!
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 24, 2020 9:59:17 GMT
None but if I have to choose I'll pick Dolph.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 24, 2020 10:08:13 GMT
Eh, I hardly care for any of them but Dolph has more charisma. In fact, he was almost the best thing about "Creed 2" recently. Seagal is boring all around, he makes the same expression and same dull line deliveries every time. Bit off-topic maybe but as a martial arts actor, he was also among the most boring in the world. Only "Exit Wounds" had a little interesting choreography but it was obvious that they try too hard to get an exciting fight scene out of Seagal's skills.
Among those western action stars of the era, I'll come up with an unpopular opinion and claim that Mark Dacascos was the one with most range. Not sure even if he's a "star" or not, considering he was more famous in Europe than US and most of his filmography are B-movies or major flops but still.
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Post by themoviesinner on Jun 24, 2020 10:37:25 GMT
Among those western action stars of the era, I'll come up with an unpopular opinion and claim that Mark Dacascos was the one with most range. Not sure even if he's a "star" or not, considering he was more famous in Europe than US and most of his filmography are B-movies or major flops but still. I thought Mark Dacascos was one of the highlights of Brotherhood Of The Wolf, but I haven't seen anything else of his that left an impression. Admittedly, I haven't seen much from him.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 24, 2020 10:54:49 GMT
Among those western action stars of the era, I'll come up with an unpopular opinion and claim that Mark Dacascos was the one with most range. Not sure even if he's a "star" or not, considering he was more famous in Europe than US and most of his filmography are B-movies or major flops but still. I thought Mark Dacascos was one of the highlights of Brotherhood Of The Wolf, but I haven't seen anything else of his that left an impression. Admittedly, I haven't seen much from him. He's pretty great in "Crying Freeman" (1995) from the same director and a very compelling action leading man in "Drive" (1997) where he gets to do Hong Kong style martial arts scenes. Some very nice comic timing too ("Double Dragon" is often considered to be one of the worst films of the decade but he's fun). Very good in "Only the Strong" (1993), "Boogie Boy" (1998) and was very cool in "The Crow" series. He also makes good villains even though they never used his potential to full. Most recently he was a delight in "John Wick 3".
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 24, 2020 11:51:35 GMT
My dad is a die-hard Seagal fan, so I’d be betraying my family by voting for anyone else.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 12:33:15 GMT
Among those western action stars of the era, I'll come up with an unpopular opinion and claim that Mark Dacascos was the one with most range. Not sure even if he's a "star" or not, considering he was more famous in Europe than US and most of his filmography are B-movies or major flops but still. I'll take you Dacascos and raise you Brandon Lee.Lee was phenomenal in The Crow. It's a performance that almost came out of nowhere, since most of his previous work was as a B-list action star riding off his great father, Bruce Lee's name in things like Showdown In Little Tokyo (co-starring the actor of this thread, Dolph Lundgren) and Rapid Fire.Based on The Crow, I think Lee had the potential to be put in the same casting bracket as the likes of Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt. I agree that Dacascos was one of the better action stars in terms of actual acting ability, but I never saw him as having that level of potential that Lee showed with that one performance. A real shame Lee died on the set of The Crow. His future career became a big what if?
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 24, 2020 12:56:13 GMT
Among those western action stars of the era, I'll come up with an unpopular opinion and claim that Mark Dacascos was the one with most range. Not sure even if he's a "star" or not, considering he was more famous in Europe than US and most of his filmography are B-movies or major flops but still. I'll take you Dacascos and raise you Brandon Lee.Lee was phenomenal in The Crow. It's a performance that almost came out of nowhere, since most of his previous work was a B-list action star riding off his great father, Bruce Lee's name in things like Showdown In Little Tokyo (co-starring the actor of this thread, Dolph Lundgren) and Rapid Fire.Based on The Crow, I think Lee had the potential to be put in the same casting bracket as the likes of Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt. I agree that Dacascos was one of the better action stars in terms of actual acting ability, but I never saw him as having that level of potential that Lee showed with that one performance. A real shame Lee died on the set of The Crow. His future career became a big what if? I mentioned Mark because he's still alive and had one popular or at least cult film at every stage of his career that could have led him to better roles but somehow didn't. First "Only the Strong", then "Brotherhood of the Wolf", then a studio film like "Cradle 2 the Grave" and recently, "JW3" but he never got bigger, it's like no one gave him a decent chance to go to deeper places. No matter if he's playing a hero or a villain, he's often effective. As for Brandon Lee, sure. I agree that Mark never had a performance on Brandon's "Crow" level. I liked his presence in his previous films including "Legacy of Rage" and "Rapid Fire" but indeed "The Crow" was a big surprise. No one knew that he can be this good. In fact, while I think Dacascos is impressive in "Crying Freeman", I can imagine Brandon Lee in the same role and delivering even a better work. It's even bit of an underrated performance that seems to be remembered more for his tragic death rather than the actual performance which is a shame.
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Post by morton on Jun 24, 2020 13:34:46 GMT
Among those western action stars of the era, I'll come up with an unpopular opinion and claim that Mark Dacascos was the one with most range. Not sure even if he's a "star" or not, considering he was more famous in Europe than US and most of his filmography are B-movies or major flops but still. I'll take you Dacascos and raise you Brandon Lee.Lee was phenomenal in The Crow. It's a performance that almost came out of nowhere, since most of his previous work was as a B-list action star riding off his great father, Bruce Lee's name in things like Showdown In Little Tokyo (co-starring the actor of this thread, Dolph Lundgren) and Rapid Fire.Based on The Crow, I think Lee had the potential to be put in the same casting bracket as the likes of Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt. I agree that Dacascos was one of the better action stars in terms of actual acting ability, but I never saw him as having that level of potential that Lee showed with that one performance. A real shame Lee died on the set of The Crow. His future career became a big what if? For the poll, without hesitation I voted for Dolph Lundgren. He definitely is thought of as an overly muscled meathead if one didn't know about his personal life, but he always gives it his all to me even when he's starring in schlock. On the other hand, the only movie where I've felt that Seagal actually tried to act was Under Siege, and I'd like to think it was just the talent around him that helped elevate him. Even in okay stuff like Hard to Kill, Kelly "Don't Hate Me Because I'm Beautiful" Lebrock made more of an impression, and I only remember her because of one the jokes that she said in it that stuck in my juvenile, dirty mind at the time while I've probably forgotten most of the stuff I learned when I was in that grade at the time, lol. With his other stuff before Under Siege, I don't even remember anything about him except I think he always played a detective that bad guys, usually drug dealers or maybe dirty cops wanted to kill, and actors that you wish the movie revolved around like Pam Grier, Sharon Stone, Willam Sadler, William Forsythe, Jerry Orbach, etc. would pop up in them. I think that's a small part of why Under Siege seemed so great to me besides being a great movie is that it sort of had the same plot of bad guys trying to kill his character, but at least it mixed it up a little by having him be a cook in the Navy, who of course was more than that, and it wasn't quite drug dealers or dirty cops trying to kill him. OT: Too true about Brandon Lee. He was so handsome, and had tons of charisma. It's a fucking tragedy what happened to his family. Showdown in Little Tokyo used to be one of my guilty pleasures. It's just so much campy fun, and one of Tia Carrere's jokes is another one of those things that stuck in my dirty mind at the time. Speaking of Carrere, I'm not going to say that she was a great actress, but I feel if she weren't considered "ethnic" by Hollywood that she would have been cast more in rom-coms where I think she would have really exceeded more because she had a lot of warmth as an actress. I know she got Wayne's World and the sequel where she played the love interest, but then she got cast in these action films or any part that called for someone that was basically Asian or Asian American, or Hawaiian. Maybe she liked doing action films, but she's another actor that I feel that Hollywood never quite what to do with after her initial breakout and got type cast.
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Post by stinkybritches on Jun 24, 2020 13:44:59 GMT
Dolph without a fucking question. As you touch on, he brings a certain charisma much of the time that I've never seen with Seagal. I recently watched that goofy Masters of the Universe movie for example, rather mediocre '80s fantasy schlock overall but I liked Dolph in it.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 24, 2020 13:49:22 GMT
Speaking of Carrere, I'm not going to say that she was a great actress, but I feel if she weren't considered "ethnic" by Hollywood that she would have been cast more in rom-coms where I think she would have really exceeded more because she had a lot of warmth as an actress. I know she got Wayne's World and the sequel where she played the love interest, but then she got cast in these action films or any part that called for someone that was basically Asian or Asian American, or Hawaiian. Maybe she liked doing action films, but she's another actor that I feel that Hollywood never quite what to do with after her initial breakout and got type cast. Tia disappeared incredibly fast. In 1994, she was in something big like "True Lies" and just a year later she was suddenly in bunch of direct-to-video action films. And I had a brief crush on her that I remember checking some of her less known works; and even enjoyed one of them called "The Immortals" opposite Eric Roberts. As you've said, not a great actress maybe but she had a lovely presence.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 24, 2020 13:50:20 GMT
I was raised on 80’s and 90’s action flicks so I’m very familiar with both of them. Dolph takes this one rather easily. I’d say that Van Damme vs Seagal is the closer comparison.
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Post by themoviesinner on Jun 24, 2020 14:01:22 GMT
I’d say that Van Damme vs Seagal is the closer comparison. I actually had that comparison in mind, but then thought about Van Damme's performance in JCVD, which is better than Seagal's entire career, and went with Lundgren instead.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 24, 2020 14:02:24 GMT
Dolph quite easily, especially after seeing Creed II. He's not the most versatile actor out there, but he certainly knows how to play to his type rather well. Seagal is just one-note, not to mention being an awful person, and an extremely overweight joke. There's a reason that Dolph has been in a blockbuster superhero film like Aquaman, while Seagal is still shooting awful looking action movies in Bulgaria, where he's dubbed over badly, and barely looks like he can walk.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 24, 2020 14:22:33 GMT
I'll take you Dacascos and raise you Brandon Lee.Lee was phenomenal in The Crow. It's a performance that almost came out of nowhere, since most of his previous work was as a B-list action star riding off his great father, Bruce Lee's name in things like Showdown In Little Tokyo (co-starring the actor of this thread, Dolph Lundgren) and Rapid Fire.Based on The Crow, I think Lee had the potential to be put in the same casting bracket as the likes of Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt. I agree that Dacascos was one of the better action stars in terms of actual acting ability, but I never saw him as having that level of potential that Lee showed with that one performance. A real shame Lee died on the set of The Crow. His future career became a big what if? Showdown in Little Tokyo used to be one of my guilty pleasures. It's just so much campy fun, and one of Tia Carrere's jokes is another one of those things that stuck in my dirty mind at the time. Speaking of Carrere, I'm not going to say that she was a great actress, but I feel if she weren't considered "ethnic" by Hollywood that she would have been cast more in rom-coms where I think she would have really exceeded more because she had a lot of warmth as an actress. I know she got Wayne's World and the sequel where she played the love interest, but then she got cast in these action films or any part that called for someone that was basically Asian or Asian American, or Hawaiian. Maybe she liked doing action films, but she's another actor that I feel that Hollywood never quite what to do with after her initial breakout and got type cast. Showdown in Little Tokyo is really fun. Sure the action isn't particularly well-staged, but Lundgren and Lee are well-cast together, that it works irregardless. Another Lundgren movie that I really like though, much more like Tokyo is I Come In Peace aka Dark Angel (depending on the country you live in, it has that title), a really awesome cop movie, that nobody seems to talk about anymore. Speaking of Carrere you're absolutely right, her ethnic features held her back. It's arguably if she was a particularly great actress, but after the one-two-punch of Wayne's World and True Lies, you'd think she'd be in so much more notable stuff. Instead she's in a lot of movies you've never heard of, a shitty looking syndicated show like Relic Hunter, and does a lot of voice-work. Shame really.
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