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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 21, 2020 3:59:33 GMT
Kingdom of Heaven’s directors cut is fantastic but Orlando Bloom simply cannot cut it in that part. Ditto Matthew Broderick in Glory. Also really wish Raimi had cast just anybody but Paxton in A Simple Plan.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 21, 2020 4:10:53 GMT
Costner in The Untouchables
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Post by countjohn on Jun 21, 2020 4:19:22 GMT
Maybe not "great", but I always think about what Gone Girl could have been with a better actor in the lead. Someone like Bale or Damon.
I like Gangs of New York more than a lot of people on here but Leo is pretty bad.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 21, 2020 4:19:26 GMT
Matt Damon in The Talented Mr. Ripley
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Post by stephen on Jun 21, 2020 4:29:09 GMT
Obviously the king of this is Orlando Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven. What pisses me off is that Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is in the same goddamn movie, had worked with Scott before, and obviously is a charismatic presence who can project the necessary gravitas that Balian needed. But nope. Orlando Bloom mania was in full force and they wanted to capitalize on it, despite the fact that he was never the big draw in his respective franchises.
I also agree that Damon is the weak link of The Talented Mr. Ripley, and obviously DiCaprio in Gangs of New York gets utterly annihilated when faced with Day-Lewis, but at least in Leo's case, his biggest hindrance is that he's saddled with a lame revenge storyline when what he should've been projecting was a coming-of-age, rebelling-against-his-father theme.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 21, 2020 4:38:03 GMT
Damon was fantastic in The Talented Mr Ripley you tasteless heathens
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 21, 2020 4:43:30 GMT
Anyway...Keir Dullea in 2001: A Space Odyssey and George Lazenby in On Her Majesty's Secret Service spring to mind.
Great films, mediocre leads
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 21, 2020 5:12:37 GMT
I agree completely with the Leo mentions but disagree with the Damon mentions.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 21, 2020 5:17:21 GMT
Obviously the king of this is Orlando Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven. What pisses me off is that Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is in the same goddamn movie, had worked with Scott before, and obviously is a charismatic presence who can project the necessary gravitas that Balian needed. But nope. Orlando Bloom mania was in full force and they wanted to capitalize on it, despite the fact that he was never the big draw in his respective franchises. I also agree that Damon is the weak link of The Talented Mr. Ripley, and obviously DiCaprio in Gangs of New York gets utterly annihilated when faced with Day-Lewis, but at least in Leo's case, his biggest hindrance is that he's saddled with a lame revenge storyline when what he should've been projecting was a coming-of-age, rebelling-against-his-father theme. I was thinking about the casting of Bloom and he had worked with Tom Hardy, NC-W AND Eric Bana a few years before that (in the same movie as he did with Bloom no less) Honestly almost all of the cast of Black Hawk Down would have been better for this.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 21, 2020 5:32:52 GMT
Damon was fantastic in The Talented Mr Ripley you tasteless heathens Yep. I can't believe what I'm reading. Damon's great as Tom Ripley, and totally conveys the straight "anti-hero" / darker side of that character really well. I'll second the Lazenby thing. I don't think he's terrible in it, but his "non-acting" credentials really shine through, and generally bring down what is otherwise a really remarkable Bond flick.
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Post by morton on Jun 21, 2020 6:31:05 GMT
Kingdom of Heaven’s directors cut is fantastic but Orlando Bloom simply cannot cut it in that part. Ditto Matthew Broderick in Glory. Also really wish Raimi had cast just anybody but Paxton in A Simple Plan. I agree about the first two, but I liked Paxton in A Simple Plan even if he was the weakest link. Also I thought Costner was fine in The Untouchables, but as much as I rewatch Robin Hood: Prince go Thieves, I wish Robin had been played by a less bland actor.
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Post by finniussnrub on Jun 21, 2020 11:38:18 GMT
Stephen Lack*ing in talent* in Scanners
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Post by jimmalone on Jun 21, 2020 13:43:05 GMT
That's funny. I just saw the thread title and before I even opened it I thought: Orlando Bloom - Kingdom of Heaven. And what was the first sentence in here?
Yeah, definitely agree about this. I still like the film a lot, probably because I don't value acting as high as most people on here. Same goes for DiCaprio and Gangs of New York. He's certainly the weakest thing of this film.
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Post by jakesully on Jun 21, 2020 14:31:12 GMT
Definitely agree with the Orlando Bloom / Kingdom of heaven mentions. Its a shame that Sir Ridley Scott didn't cast say Heath Ledger at the time (they were around the same age at the time) . Ledger would have owned that role and his chemistry with Eva Green would have been a sight to see imo.
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Post by jakesully on Jun 21, 2020 14:35:51 GMT
Keanu Reeves in Bram Stoker's Dracula. is another choice I'd add. The rest of the film is top notch (esp Oldman's performance) imo but man poor Keanu was brutal. haha
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 21, 2020 14:59:23 GMT
Lazenby was very good in Majesty's Secret Service, people!!! The script was very uneven and the comparison with sir Connery did him no good!
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Post by isabelaolive on Jun 21, 2020 18:27:10 GMT
Damon was fantastic in The Talented Mr Ripley you tasteless heathens I remember when I watched this movie for the first time and I was surprised at how much I liked Damon's performance in this movie. In fact, I was surprised by most of the films I watched with him made between 1980/90 and early 2000s, but since then he has declined a lot as an actor.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 21, 2020 18:29:40 GMT
Keanu Reeves in Bram Stoker's Dracula. is another choice I'd add. The rest of the film is top notch (esp Oldman's performance) imo but man poor Keanu was brutal. haha I don't think people see Keanu as the lead performance though. Oldman is the lead, and he's great.
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Post by isabelaolive on Jun 21, 2020 18:35:42 GMT
Joan Fontaine - Rebecca Di Caprio - Gangs of New York
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 21, 2020 19:14:17 GMT
Nancy Allen ruined Dressed to Kill.
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Post by dadsburgers on Jun 22, 2020 2:16:43 GMT
Not the lead, but Sofia Coppola ruined The Godfather Part III.
Mark Wahlberg dragged in Boogie Nights, especially considering the ensemble around him. He also brought down All the Money in the World.
Sam Worthington in Avatar definitely
Didn't love John David Washington in BlacKkKlansman, to be honest.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 22, 2020 2:47:57 GMT
Not a super great movie, but it's incredible to witness whatever the hell Stephen Lack was doing in Scanners. Perfect name right there.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 22, 2020 2:49:15 GMT
Not the lead, but Sofia Coppola ruined The Godfather Part III. She's so much better in the first two.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 22, 2020 3:34:25 GMT
Not the lead, but Sofia Coppola ruined The Godfather Part III. Mark Wahlberg dragged in Boogie Nights, especially considering the ensemble around him. He also brought down All the Money in the World. Sam Worthington in Avatar definitely Didn't love John David Washington in BlacKkKlansman, to be honest. I actually think Wahlberg and Washington were quite good and Worthington was passable but to each his own.
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Post by morton on Jun 22, 2020 4:02:37 GMT
Not the lead, but Sofia Coppola ruined The Godfather Part III. Mark Wahlberg dragged in Boogie Nights, especially considering the ensemble around him. He also brought down All the Money in the World. Sam Worthington in Avatar definitely Didn't love John David Washington in BlacKkKlansman, to be honest. I actually think Wahlberg and Washington were quite good and Worthington was passable but to each his own. Not exactly a great movie, but since I already mentioned Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves in this thread, I’ll just say that Worthington was fine for me in Avatar, and I even liked his chemistry with Zoe Saldana. Outside of Avatar though like when I saw him the next year in Clash of the Titans, then I really saw how limited he was as an actor. The old boards had their problems, but I still laugh remembering all the wooden/timber jokes there were in the boards for Clash of the Titans because of Worthington. I also agree about Wahlberg. I haven’t wandered into the “what if Leo was cast in Boogie Nights” thread lately in the Acting Subforum, but I thought Wahlberg was good and his limitations as an actor, at least back then, plus the baggage he brought going from being a “rapper”/model to acting in something like Boogie Nights worked for me because he seemed like his character in that they were both fish out of water. Plus even though he seems to be savvy about his career for the most part, and seems to have business smarts that I wish I had, back in 1997 it wasn’t too hard to believe that Wahlberg was as dumb as Eddie was lol. Although to be fair to Eddie, I guess he was more naive than dumb. I also liked JDW in BlacKkKlansmen as well even though I wanted to debate about a week ago on Twitter with some mutuals as to why there wasn’t really anything that nefarious with him missing an Oscar nomination while his white costar made it. Not to say that kind of stuff doesn’t happen, but I think in this specific case it was due to the supporting category being much less competitive that year, and Driver having more prestigious projects under his belt. I figured it’d be a waste of energy though, so I didn’t respond to it.
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