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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 18, 2018 20:53:54 GMT
In relation to the finale, letting the other Queens pick the final two was stupid, but TV needs 'twists' don't it. This bothered me so much. It felt like the outcome of the season was totally out of the judges' hands, which isn't fair because they're in the best position to judge the queens objectively. None of the jury queens had to explain their reasoning behind their choices (but it clearly wasn't motivated by an objective analysis of the overall performance because Kennedy? Trixie? No bitch). Some of them were voting for their friends (Chi Chi), while others seemed to vote against Bebe because of her arrogance confidence, and the fact that she didn't want to reveal who her choice for elimination would have been in the previous episode (doesn't seem fair that she'd lose her chance at 100K because she wanted to stick by her guns) and against Shangela because she had already competed twice before. So basically, more than the competitors being judged on the overall performance and what they presented to the judges, their chances at the title were held hostage by behind-the-scenes workroom drama and personal friendships. That's bullshit. And based on the 96% of fans that thought Shangela was robbed of her chance in the finale, it's clear that the elimination model for this season was seriously flawed. That bitch turned it out all season. And let's be clear about the fact that Kennedy only made it to the finale because Dela eliminated herself. Kennedy is a talented queen but she was consistently in the middle/bottom of the competition and struggled with her challenges even up to the finale. It was annoying how she kept shifting the goalpost to brush off her less-than-stellar reviews from the judges. She didn't deserve to be in the finale. And I'm over Trixie at this point. Charisma - NO Uniqueness - Yes, her makeup is uniquely painful to look at Nerve - For the last half of the season, yes Talent - Yes, but hall of fame worthy? Heeeeelll no. Not even close. She couldn't stand next to most of the queens on All Stars 2. And Dela...no girl. Morgan made a good point in the interviews about all the queens being there because they want to win. I get that Dela isn't super competitive and doesn't like to hurt anyone's feelings, but then why the hell did she come back in the first place, especially after being very open about her bad experiences on Season 6? She threw a massive wrench into the season and effectively skewed the final outcome. I respect where she's coming from, but I really wish she hadn't come back at all if the competition was going to be too much for her. She probably would have been happier for it too. She seemed sooooo over it in the finale reunion. I really hope they take a year or two off before the next season because we're obviously running out of all stars here.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 18, 2018 20:57:43 GMT
Trying to hold off watching Season 10 as long as I can. This show has to be binge-watched.
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Post by cheesecake on Apr 19, 2018 1:09:42 GMT
we ready to spill the T on all stars 3? What a weird season. Hot mess. It was more of like a Second Chances season which I'm fine with, but the elimination format blows. Going into the season I thought that Shangela or Trixie would win (and I love both) but this was complete bullshit.
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Post by cheesecake on Apr 19, 2018 2:47:07 GMT
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm starting to feel like Ru is a little over it all, and I'm definitely getting that feeling in Season 10. I agreed with a lot of your post but this. She seems like she's having a blast to me. Longer episodes with the return of mini challenges and extended runways has sure helped the show in general though. Washing the after taste of AS3 out real fast.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 19, 2018 7:25:58 GMT
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm starting to feel like Ru is a little over it all, and I'm definitely getting that feeling in Season 10. I agreed with a lot of your post but this. She seems like she's having a blast to me. Longer episodes with the return of mini challenges and extended runways has sure helped the show in general though. Washing the after taste of AS3 out real fast. Hopefully I'm just imagining things, I just occasionally get this bored vibe from her, but its probably nothing. I have to give props to Season 10 so far. It might only be the extended episodes causing this, but it feel like this might be the best Season since 6, which is close to, or maybe even my favourite of the lot. I feel like it's the best crop of Queens in a long time, in terms of depth, and at this stage I wouldn't even risk 5 quid betting on who is gonna take the crown. I feel in almost any other Season, when I was four episodes in, I always had a close to accurate Top 3 picked out, and the winner was always in it. In fact, the only time my winner prediction (about three quarters of the way into the Season) was ever wrong was Season 9. I'm hoping this one remains as erratic for the Queens as it has so far, cause I have no clues and I love it. I will just say that 4 episodes down, I want Miz Cracker to win.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 19, 2018 7:27:20 GMT
Trying to hold off watching Season 10 as long as I can. This show has to be binge-watched. I totally agree with binge-watchability of Drag Race, but the Season has been really great so far, so I say get in there starting from Friday. You'll have 5 hours of it to get through at that point.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 19, 2018 7:57:31 GMT
In relation to the finale, letting the other Queens pick the final two was stupid, but TV needs 'twists' don't it. This bothered me so much. It felt like the outcome of the season was totally out of the judges' hands, which isn't fair because they're in the best position to judge the queens objectively. None of the jury queens had to explain their reasoning behind their choices (but it clearly wasn't motivated by an objective analysis of the overall performance because Kennedy? Trixie? No bitch). Some of them were voting for their friends (Chi Chi), while others seemed to vote against Bebe because of her arrogance confidence, and the fact that she didn't want to reveal who her choice for elimination would have been in the previous episode (doesn't seem fair that she'd lose her chance at 100K because she wanted to stick by her guns) and against Shangela because she had already competed twice before. So basically, more than the competitors being judged on the overall performance and what they presented to the judges, their chances at the title were held hostage by behind-the-scenes workroom drama and personal friendships. That's bullshit. And based on the 96% of fans that thought Shangela was robbed of her chance in the finale, it's clear that the elimination model for this season was seriously flawed. That bitch turned it out all season. And let's be clear about the fact that Kennedy only made it to the finale because Dela eliminated herself. Kennedy is a talented queen but she was consistently in the middle/bottom of the competition and struggled with her challenges even up to the finale. It was annoying how she kept shifting the goalpost to brush off her less-than-stellar reviews from the judges. She didn't deserve to be in the finale. And I'm over Trixie at this point. Charisma - NO Uniqueness - Yes, her makeup is uniquely painful to look at Nerve - For the last half of the season, yes Talent - Yes, but hall of fame worthy? Heeeeelll no. Not even close. She couldn't stand next to most of the queens on All Stars 2. And Dela...no girl. Morgan made a good point in the interviews about all the queens being there because they want to win. I get that Dela isn't super competitive and doesn't like to hurt anyone's feelings, but then why the hell did she come back in the first place, especially after being very open about her bad experiences on Season 6? She threw a massive wrench into the season and effectively skewed the final outcome. I respect where she's coming from, but I really wish she hadn't come back at all if the competition was going to be too much for her. She probably would have been happier for it too. She seemed sooooo over it in the finale reunion. I really hope they take a year or two off before the next season because we're obviously running out of all stars here. Hard to disagree with any of this, especially the fact that the outcome was ruined by a) some bitter Queens putting the wrong person in the final Kennedy over Shangela and b) DeLa not being in the final because of well, DeLa. Also, I'm with you on Trixie. Prior to the show I wasn't too big a fan, and after all stars 3, I do like her a little more, but still...I don't really care. I especially feel there is a dearth of talent with her in comparison to a Chad Michaels or an Alaska, or a BenDeLaCreme or a Shangela. They need to wait at least two years before bringing this back, and offer up a better spread of Queens, which will include your winner Trinity Taylor
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 19, 2018 22:03:31 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 28, 2018 7:29:52 GMT
NOOOOOOOOO BLAIR!!!!She's such a sweetheart and her runways were gorgeous. Gonna miss her Living for Eureka's win though. She totally deserved it. Been great seeing her regain her confidence and kicking ass these last two weeks. Hope she makes it to the top.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 29, 2018 15:03:15 GMT
NOOOOOOOOO BLAIR!!!!She's such a sweetheart and her runways were gorgeous. Gonna miss her Living for Eureka's win though. She totally deserved it. Been great seeing her regain her confidence and kicking ass these last two weeks. Hope she makes it to the top. What a shock on Blair for sure. I think this is possibly the highest quality set of Queens they've had. I'm was shocked when Blair went, but then I was looking at everyone who wasn't in the bottom 2 and think that it was the right bottom 2. I probably would have preferred to see The Vixen leave, but she won the lip-sync without a doubt, so it is what it is I guess. I really am getting on the Eureka train now too. She's obviously a talented performer, but she also proves that a big girl can be interesting on the runway too.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 8, 2018 14:39:59 GMT
So Snatch Game kinda sucked for the third time in a row. What's up Queens...
Anyways, overall Aquaria probably deserved the win, as while Monét X Change gave the best performance in Snatch Game, Aquaria did hold her own, and was the only one to look halfway impressive on a terrible idea for a runway theme...what the hell was that. Eureka & Miz cracker amused me at times, even if I have no idea who the hell they were impersonating and if they did a good job or not. Kameron Michaels chose the perfect person to impersonate and remained consistent, as in she's consistently forgettable. The other three though, Asia O'Hara especially, where just a horrifying, cringe inducing pile of shit.
I'm disappointed to see Monique go, as I liked Monique the person, but it was the correct bottom two and you gotta know your words Queen.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 9, 2018 5:57:20 GMT
alright so I'm watching the episode now and had to pause to get this off my chest.
I'm. So. Fuckin. Done with Vixen and her saltiness and insecurity and hostility, especially toward Eureka. Watching her call out Eureka for "unprofessionalism" both in the werkroom and in front of the judges really pissed me off. She's clearly in denial of her weaknesses and lashing out at other queens who are more talented. I tried with this bitch, I really did. But every time I want to do a double take, she takes back all the good will, and this episode pushed me over the edge with her. I'm done with it.
will post more complete thoughts in a sec.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 9, 2018 6:37:49 GMT
ooookay. what an episode. Snatch Game was a mixed bag, so were the runways. My thoughts: Snatch GameThe HitsJust Monet and Eureka. I get why they chose Aquaria, and I think she was fine, and she definitely stepped out of her box the most, but the performance itself just didn't grab me. I mean, none of them really did that but I did find Eureka more entertaining and Monet more refined and well-developed. The MissesVixen - Y'all know how I feel about this bitch, but as bad as she was in the Snatch Game, I don't think she was in the bottom 2. Her Chyna (sp? it's too late to check that shit) went nowhere, and she and Asia crashed and burned together because they both leaned on each other so much. It was a kind of mutual suicide. Monique - Her Maxine Waters was just swings and misses. She didn't land a single joke, and it's ironic that Vixen called out Eureka for interrupting the other queens because Monique did that A LOT. What a hot mess. Asia - The worst of the evening. No idea how she came out safe after that performance. The character didn't make sense (who wants an angry Beyonce?), she didn't have a single joke, and her...I guess you would call it "banter" with Vixen was soooo cringey. It was a bit slimy how they got together beforehand and tried planning out their repartee, and seeing it blow up in their face felt like karma. Also, it's doubly ironic that Vixen called out Eureka for interrupting because Asia probably interrupted ppl the most, and she was constantly interrupting Vixen. The In-BetweensKameron Michaels, who always gets lost in the pack, Aquaria, and Miz Cracker, who I wanted to see more of. Not sure if she was just edited out or if she just didn't contribute much to the show but her Dorothy Parker was totally overshadowed by everyone else. I liked what little I got to see. _____________________ The RunwayLiving for Aquaria and Eureka's looks here, and I also dug Asia's Shape-of-Water realness (is she the first queen on the runway to serve real fish? ). No one else was memorable. Makes me wonder what Blair would have brought to this challenge. Dammit I miss her runways The EliminationYeah, after that awful performance Monique definitely deserved to go home. Vixen is the lipsync assassin of season 10 but her time's coming. She's consistently been safe or on the bottom so its just a matter of time before she meets her match in the bottom 2 and goes home.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 9, 2018 7:16:00 GMT
ok, one last thing about le vixen. It is so hypocritical of her to clock Eureka for her personality and expect her to change or tone it down when she herself wouldn't consider for a second modifying her own behavior to make anyone else feel more comfortable. She's already adamantly stated her intentions to never censor herself and yet here she is expecting that same thing of someone else. One of the things I respected about the Vixen is honesty and commitment to be true to herself, but that went completely out the window this past couple episodes because she's holding herself to a different standard than she's holding everyone else. And I knew this was coming since episode 3. Everyone's fine as long as no one pokes the bear, but what happens when just being in the same room and performing better and receiving more praise pokes the bear? Insecurity and hostility. Everything's fine as long as Vixen always gets to be on top.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 9, 2018 12:22:34 GMT
alright so I'm watching the episode now and had to pause to get this off my chest. I'm. So. Fuckin. Done with Vixen and her saltiness and insecurity and hostility, especially toward Eureka. Watching her call out Eureka for "unprofessionalism" both in the werkroom and in front of the judges really pissed me off. She's clearly in denial of her weaknesses and lashing out at other queens who are more talented. I tried with this bitch, I really did. But every time I want to do a double take, she takes back all the good will, and this episode pushed me over the edge with her. I'm done with it. will post more complete thoughts in a sec. I'm totally with you in terms of Vixen being awful, as she is awful and obnoxious and her slamming Eureka for steamrolling others in Snatch Game was plain stupid and borne out of competitive jealousy more than anything. Asia was by far the guiltiest party in that regards steamrolling folks, and Vixen herself was probably much more guilty of it than Eureka was. Having said all that, Eureka had no place interrupting and defending herself against Vixen selecting her for her go home suggestions; no one else, including Vixen did this. In fact Vixen who was selected by almost everyone kept her mouth shut and listened, while Eureka had to go off on a poor me poor me rant, and all it actually achieved was to demonstrate Vixen's claim that Eureka has a compulsive desire for attention. Eureka girl, you know this is going to happen at some point in a Season, so just shut up and accept your name being mentioned. The irony that she so convincingly played a child in snatch game was not lost on me here. I think that whether you liked what she was saying in regards Eureka, Vixen in that moment was very professional, whereas Eureka showed herself up a lot. Having said all that, I love Eureka and hope to see her in the final, whereas Vixen needs the boot next week; especially after sending home two of my favourites in a row (albeit deservedly).
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 9, 2018 12:28:16 GMT
ooookay. what an episode. Snatch Game was a mixed bag, so were the runways. My thoughts: Snatch GameThe HitsJust Monet and Eureka. I get why they chose Aquaria, and I think she was fine, and she definitely stepped out of her box the most, but the performance itself just didn't grab me. I mean, none of them really did that but I did find Eureka more entertaining and Monet more refined and well-developed. The MissesVixen - Y'all know how I feel about this bitch, but as bad as she was in the Snatch Game, I don't think she was in the bottom 2. Her Chyna (sp? it's too late to check that shit) went nowhere, and she and Asia crashed and burned together because they both leaned on each other so much. It was a kind of mutual suicide. Monique - Her Maxine Waters was just swings and misses. She didn't land a single joke, and it's ironic that Vixen called out Eureka for interrupting the other queens because Monique did that A LOT. What a hot mess. Asia - The worst of the evening. No idea how she came out safe after that performance. The character didn't make sense (who wants an angry Beyonce?), she didn't have a single joke, and her...I guess you would call it "banter" with Vixen was soooo cringey. It was a bit slimy how they got together beforehand and tried planning out their repartee, and seeing it blow up in their face felt like karma. Also, it's doubly ironic that Vixen called out Eureka for interrupting because Asia probably interrupted ppl the most, and she was constantly interrupting Vixen. The In-BetweensKameron Michaels, who always gets lost in the pack, Aquaria, and Miz Cracker, who I wanted to see more of. Not sure if she was just edited out or if she just didn't contribute much to the show but her Dorothy Parker was totally overshadowed by everyone else. I liked what little I got to see. _____________________ The RunwayLiving for Aquaria and Eureka's looks here, and I also dug Asia's Shape-of-Water realness (is she the first queen on the runway to serve real fish? ). No one else was memorable. Makes me wonder what Blair would have brought to this challenge. Dammit I miss her runways The EliminationYeah, after that awful performance Monique definitely deserved to go home. Vixen is the lipsync assassin of season 10 but her time's coming. She's consistently been safe or on the bottom so its just a matter of time before she meets her match in the bottom 2 and goes home. I'm with your for most of this, but I think Aquaria was definitely in the hits category. She came with a complete character, and did a very impressive job in the look department too. She had jokes ready to go, and also come up with some quality on the spot banter. I would say she was close enough to Monet in quality, and her far superior runway (to everyone) meant she had to win the week. Overall though, I wouldn't put anyone from this Snatch Game in my Top 20 (perhaps even 30) performances from this challenge.
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Post by cheesecake on May 26, 2018 5:26:58 GMT
I can't get over the talent of this cast! Really enjoying this season a lot and it's tough saying goodbye to these queens each week.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 26, 2018 8:35:42 GMT
oof. that elimination hurt She was one of my favorites this season. all those youtubers were gorgeous in drag though. Especially Cookie and America All the queens turned it out this week.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 27, 2018 16:58:06 GMT
oof. that elimination hurt She was one of my favorites this season. all those youtubers were gorgeous in drag though. Especially Cookie and America All the queens turned it out this week.It was definitely a great week, and the bottom two was right, and the elimination was right. I loved Monet, but it has to be based on the lip-sync and Kameron edged it. I think, unless it all goes wrong in the concluding episodes, I will consider the the best Season so far. I was one of those many people who thought the show peaked with Seasons 4 - 6 & All Stars 2, but this Season shows it still has legs, and quite a pair too.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 11, 2018 14:59:33 GMT
Kinda shocking result, I guess. I know Miz Cracker mostly under-performed away from the Runway, and could give Trixie a run for her money as the least funny 'comedy queen' to ever appear on the show, but still, I figured her for a 4th place finish.
I give props to RuPaul though, as by keeping Kameron, she stayed true to the ideal that the best performance in the lipsync gets saved. I know we can only go on the edit, but it did look to me that Kameron edged it again.
Hyped for the remaining three weeks of this, and intrigued to see who takes the crown, as Kameron aside, you could make a convincing case for all of them.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 14, 2018 22:28:12 GMT
It stung having Monet and Cracker leave back to back. Both were strong examples of "a great drag queen does not a great Drag Race contestant make." I thought they were going to shine a lot brighter during pre-show, but I thought they were out of their element for the format of the show/most of the challenges -- they were good TV though. Gonna miss them. I assume tonight is another non-elimination. Get onto the finale already.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 17, 2018 17:13:26 GMT
It was nice to see them all make it to the final, but I hope they are not doing the lame ass lip-sync stuff they did with Season 9.
Highlights of the last episode:
1) The genuine tears of joy from Aquaria. I've come to really like her over the course of the show, and should she win, I will be perfectly happy with that.
2) Kameron Michaels not been drawn into some forced show of emotion during the podcast interview. Ru tried, Karmeron was having none of it. Respect!!
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 20, 2018 8:33:22 GMT
great group of queens to advance to the finale. Aquaria was totally serving Madonna in that choreography and I was living for it. Still pulling for Eureka to win because she resonates the most with me. I get why some would find her annoying but I just love her energy and positivity, especially knowing where she's coming from with body-image issues. Seeing her take that negativity and turn it into a source of pride and self-acceptance is so inspirational and empowering. She speaks for anyone who thinks they can't feel beautiful and comfortable in their own skin. I'd love for the show to crown its first big girl. And gaaaawwd that southern drawl and curly hairdo I've been obsessed since day 1.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 20, 2018 9:25:45 GMT
Yeah, I honestly don't mind seeing Eureka, Aquaria or Asia win, they all have their pros and cons. I do like Kameron, and it would be a score the folks (like me) out there who are more quite in social groups for him to win, but that aside, she is comfortably the weakest of the four.
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Post by cheesecake on Apr 11, 2020 16:27:00 GMT
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