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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 19, 2020 17:02:21 GMT
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Post by JangoB on Jun 19, 2020 17:07:40 GMT
Ansel's getting cancelled. And the jokes about Christopher Plummer's dancing skills start now!
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Post by JangoB on Jun 19, 2020 17:17:09 GMT
Now, reading what she wrote...I have some questions. This reads less like a sexual assault story and more like a story about a girl who didn't quite understand what having sex for the first time feels like. She accuses him of not asking her whether she's willing to continue...that's a bit weird to me. Dammit people, if you don't want something - say so! She's also going on about how she was 'only seventeen' as if she means five. Was she not aware that losing her virginity would be painful when she willingly started to have sex with him? I dunno folks, I'm sure I'll get shit for this but that's what I got trying to really read that story. Of course most of the discourse online is basically down to 'HE RAPIST'.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 19, 2020 17:22:24 GMT
I feel for this girl if she genuinely was sexually assaulted (her just saying so isn't proof though), but these girls and women or even guys who are genuinely sexually assaulted need to start going to the police first, instead of spilling their guts on instagram or twitter a few years later.
Or at least lawyer up and take him to civil court if you are serious. A lot of this stuff does unfortunately come across as clout chasing.
I dunno. Not exactly Elgort's biggest fan, but he deserves due process.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 19, 2020 17:27:49 GMT
Now, reading what she wrote...I have some questions. This reads less like a sexual assault story and more like a story about a girl who didn't quite understand what having sex for the first time feels like. She accuses him of not asking her whether she's willing to continue...that's a bit weird to me. Dammit people, if you don't want something - say so! She's also going on about how she was 'only seventeen' as if she means five. Was she not aware that losing her virginity would be painful when she willingly started to have sex with him? I dunno folks, I'm sure I'll get shit for this but that's what I got trying to really read that story. Of course most of the discourse online is basically down to 'HE RAPIST'. It’s still likely statutory rape at a minimum (assuming this took place in California).
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Post by LaraQ on Jun 19, 2020 17:28:09 GMT
Now, reading what she wrote...I have some questions. This reads less like a sexual assault story and more like a story about a girl who didn't quite understand what having sex for the first time feels like. She accuses him of not asking her whether she's willing to continue...that's a bit weird to me. Dammit people, if you don't want something - say so! She's also going on about how she was 'only seventeen' as if she means five. Was she not aware that losing her virginity would be painful when she willingly started to have sex with him? I dunno folks, I'm sure I'll get shit for this but that's what I got trying to really read that story. Of course most of the discourse online is basically down to 'HE RAPIST'. She was sobbing with pain and the only thing he said was"We need to break you in".Losing your virginity is not like this man,you're way off base here.She was assaulted.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 19, 2020 17:43:48 GMT
These rumors have been circulating for years. This won't be the last story. His career is over and West Side Story is fucked.
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Post by quetee on Jun 19, 2020 17:46:09 GMT
If she was crying and wanted to stop, he should have been okay with it but he ended up saying something like that? Tells me he is not a good person and cares for himself.
As for her being 17, well, people need to be careful with what they accuse people of especially when each state has different minimums. Ansel is from NY and if that happened there he was not breaking the law. This is why all states need to agree on one age: 18.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 19, 2020 17:49:31 GMT
Now, reading what she wrote...I have some questions. This reads less like a sexual assault story and more like a story about a girl who didn't quite understand what having sex for the first time feels like. She accuses him of not asking her whether she's willing to continue...that's a bit weird to me. Dammit people, if you don't want something - say so! She's also going on about how she was 'only seventeen' as if she means five. Was she not aware that losing her virginity would be painful when she willingly started to have sex with him? I dunno folks, I'm sure I'll get shit for this but that's what I got trying to really read that story. Of course most of the discourse online is basically down to 'HE RAPIST'. She's (barely) 17 in a coercive relationship with a celebrity she idolizes having sex for the first time. She's having a completely out of body/dream like experience. She has no cognition of what's happening. I know you posted this on here instead of AW because this type of victim blaming is okay on here, but this is an extremely fucked up perspective.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 19, 2020 17:49:36 GMT
Now, reading what she wrote...I have some questions. This reads less like a sexual assault story and more like a story about a girl who didn't quite understand what having sex for the first time feels like. She accuses him of not asking her whether she's willing to continue...that's a bit weird to me. Dammit people, if you don't want something - say so! She's also going on about how she was 'only seventeen' as if she means five. Was she not aware that losing her virginity would be painful when she willingly started to have sex with him? I dunno folks, I'm sure I'll get shit for this but that's what I got trying to really read that story. Of course most of the discourse online is basically down to 'HE RAPIST'. She was sobbing with pain and the only thing he said was"We need to break you in".Losing your virginity is not like this man,you're way off base here.She was assaulted. I'm no expert but I've always understood that loss of virginity was a painful process. But of course if she literally lay there crying her eyes out and he disregarded that and still carried on, then he's the villain here. I just meant that it doesn't sound like a case of him forcing himself upon her - she consented to having sex (knowing that it was her first time), felt pain and didn't even say anything. He was being a horny asshole and proceeded anyway, despite seeing her tears. He felt that that was the way the process was supposed to work, she was 'only seventeen' and apparently didn't understand that. It's certainly a sketchy situation but it just doesn't read as villainy to me. And I thought that 17 fell under the age of consent in the US but apparently I was mistaken on that front. Still, being this naive at 17 doesn't quite compute. But again, if he's actually guilty of wrongdoing, he deserves to be punished. I'm just saying that it's all heresay which we have no way of confirming or really knowing.
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Post by quetee on Jun 19, 2020 17:52:34 GMT
She was sobbing with pain and the only thing he said was"We need to break you in".Losing your virginity is not like this man,you're way off base here.She was assaulted. I'm no expert but I've always understood that loss of virginity was a painful process. But of course if she literally lay there crying her eyes out and he disregarded that and still carried on, then he's the villain here. I just meant that it doesn't sound like a case of him forcing himself upon her - she consented to having sex (knowing that it was her first time), felt pain and didn't even say anything. He was being a horny asshole and proceeded anyway, despite seeing her tears. He felt that that was the way the process was supposed to work, she was 'only seventeen' and apparently didn't understand that. It's certainly a sketchy situation but it just doesn't read as villainy to me. And I thought that 17 fell under the age of consent in the US but apparently I was mistaken on that front. Still, being this naive at 17 doesn't quite compute. But again, if he's actually guilty of wrongdoing, he deserves to be punished. I'm just saying that it's all heresay which we have no way of confirming or really knowing. It depends on where in the U.S. Each state is different which is the rub. Someone could be arrested in CA but in NY this would be perfectly ok.
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Post by quetee on Jun 19, 2020 17:57:28 GMT
State Age Of Consent Has Close-In-Age Exemption Alabama 16 Yes Alaska 16 Yes Arizona 18 Yes Arkansas 16 Yes California 18 No Colorado 17 Yes Connecticut 16 Yes Delaware 18 Yes District of Columbia 16 Yes Florida 18 Yes Georgia 16 No Hawaii 16 Yes Idaho 18 No Illinois 17 No Indiana 16 Yes Iowa 16 Yes Kansas 16 No Kentucky 16 No Louisiana 17 No Maine 16 Yes Maryland 16 No Massachusetts 16 No Michigan 16 No Minnesota 16 No Mississippi 16 Yes Missouri 17 No Montana 16 No Nebraska 16 No Nevada 16 No New Hampshire 16 Yes New Jersey 16 Yes New Mexico 17 Yes New York 17 No North Carolina 16 Yes North Dakota 18 No Ohio 16 Yes Oklahoma 16 Yes Oregon 18 No Pennsylvania 16 Yes Rhode Island 16 Yes South Carolina 16 No South Dakota 16 No Tennessee 18 Yes Texas 17 No Utah 18 Yes Vermont 16 Yes Virginia 18 Yes Washington 16 No West Virginia 16 No Wisconsin 18 No Wyoming 17 No
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 17:57:55 GMT
Man, Wright should just have a version of Baby Driver with Christopher Plummer in all roles at this rate.
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Post by quetee on Jun 19, 2020 18:00:05 GMT
Wow, never knew that many states had 16 as age of consent.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 19, 2020 18:12:45 GMT
She was sobbing with pain and the only thing he said was"We need to break you in".Losing your virginity is not like this man,you're way off base here.She was assaulted. I'm no expert but I've always understood that loss of virginity was a painful process. I know you're not the only one who thinks this, but can all of us everywhere please eliminate this idea that losing your virginity as a woman is supposed to be painful?
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Post by JangoB on Jun 19, 2020 18:21:49 GMT
Now, reading what she wrote...I have some questions. This reads less like a sexual assault story and more like a story about a girl who didn't quite understand what having sex for the first time feels like. She accuses him of not asking her whether she's willing to continue...that's a bit weird to me. Dammit people, if you don't want something - say so! She's also going on about how she was 'only seventeen' as if she means five. Was she not aware that losing her virginity would be painful when she willingly started to have sex with him? I dunno folks, I'm sure I'll get shit for this but that's what I got trying to really read that story. Of course most of the discourse online is basically down to 'HE RAPIST'. She's (barely) 17 in a coercive relationship with a celebrity she idolizes having sex for the first time. She's having a completely out of body/dream like experience. She has no cognition of what's happening. I know you posted this on here instead of AW because this type of victim blaming is okay on here, but this is an extremely fucked up perspective. I'm sorry but I don't succumb to this 'no cognition of what's happening' line of thinking. After all she did recognize that she was in pain. The main takeaway here is that people should be taught to immediately say 'no' if they don't feel comfortable doing something and to fight back if their demands to stop are not met. And no, I posted this on here instead of AW because I don't really post much on AW at all, unlike here which I frequent every day. And unlike AW, this place doesn't pretend to be a safe space when it comes to social/scandalous matters and allows for various perspectives to be discussed with equal attention (see the police brutality thread for absolute proof of that). And I want to once again stress that if I misread her words and that if he did the wrongdoing, then he deserves punishment. I simply don't share the go-to mentality that a lot of social media people are exhibiting these days of immediately and superficially believing everything they see. Nor do I believe in generalizations. Each case should be studied separately and conclusions should be reached the same way. But again, the age of consent is probably the most important point here from a legal perspective. I believed it to be 16 and was wrong on that.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 19, 2020 18:30:03 GMT
She's (barely) 17 in a coercive relationship with a celebrity she idolizes having sex for the first time. She's having a completely out of body/dream like experience. She has no cognition of what's happening. I know you posted this on here instead of AW because this type of victim blaming is okay on here, but this is an extremely fucked up perspective. And no, I posted this on here instead of AW because I don't really post much on AW at all, unlike here which I frequent every day. And unlike AW, this place doesn't pretend to be a safe space when it comes to social/scandalous matters and allows for various perspectives to be discussed with equal attention (see the police brutality thread for absolute proof of that). I agree with your post Jango - none of us know what happened - this is just an unknown accusation ..........and cancel culture is gross. On another note - and I now this is minor but just wanted to say it - maybe I'm weird because I have never been on AW in my life - not even just to read it ........but I really bristle at what is in bold. We do not even know this girl is a victim and advocating for due process and waiting for the facts wouldn't be victim blaming either ..........WTF is that about?
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 19, 2020 18:33:52 GMT
pacinoyes, I say this having no real problem with you. You'd get banned within your first five posts on AW.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 19, 2020 18:37:20 GMT
pacinoyes, I say this having no real problem with you. You'd get banned within your first five posts on AW. Yikes.......thanks for the warning.......staying on the board that I'm faithful too then and loved by all here .........well almost everyone
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Post by futuretrunks on Jun 19, 2020 18:38:52 GMT
Maybe not if he kept to the actor poll threads. But yes, the IMDB "anything goes" mentality (which is more natural to me) is not permitted there.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 19, 2020 22:16:26 GMT
Well there’s now at least three different allegations circulating on Twitter all corroborated by screenshots and there will be more because there were factions of the internet that knew this was happening. Regardless of this forum’s proclivity for victim blaming, his career is over and this movie is fucked.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jun 19, 2020 22:25:28 GMT
This is so wild. It's been like 24 hours and I'd already forgotten the Chris D'elia stuff.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 19, 2020 22:28:38 GMT
This is so wild. It's been like 24 hours and I'd already forgotten the Chris D'elia stuff. Didn't hear about this one. Hard to keep up.
As for Elgort, her description of their encounter is absolutely awful.
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Post by quetee on Jun 19, 2020 22:37:50 GMT
This is so wild. It's been like 24 hours and I'd already forgotten the Chris D'elia stuff. Didn't hear about this one. Hard to keep up.
As for Elgort, her description of their encounter is absolutely awful.
These type of situations can be ughhh. I was in a similar one where the word NO meant nothing to this guy. I really don't get this and it took me a long time to understand it. I was crying and everything. He only left me alone when I yelled RAPE. It was like when he heard that word then did he think he was doing something wrong.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 19, 2020 22:46:12 GMT
Didn't hear about this one. Hard to keep up.
As for Elgort, her description of their encounter is absolutely awful.
These type of situations can be ughhh. I was in a similar one where the word NO meant nothing to this guy. I really don't get this and it took me a long time to understand it. I was crying and everything. He only left me alone when I yelled RAPE. It was like when he heard that word then did he think he was doing something wrong. That's really terrible and I'm sorry you went through that. I once asked a guy to keep his hands to himself and when he began shoving his hand down my pants I had to physically leave the room and that's what it took to get it through his fucking skull.
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