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Post by mrimpossible on May 20, 2020 17:13:24 GMT
I know he's controversial considering politics lately but as an actor what you think about him?
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Post by stephen on May 20, 2020 17:26:02 GMT
His Oscar nominations are richly deserved, he's got excellent performances under his belt from legends like Cronenberg and Leone, he's got some fantastic TV work to his name. In short, he's a terrific actor with a unique screen presence.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 20, 2020 17:33:25 GMT
His politics don't bother me as far as what I know for him- he's just a right wing conservative nothing fanatical afaik.
As an actor I might surprise some people on here but I find him underrated and overrated at the same time.
He has serious problems playing normal characters - so much so, he rarely played normal characters at all. He was mentioned in the Best Actors Across All Three Mediums thread for this and how he did it to himself and pinned himself into a corner.
He doesn't have many "Immediate Family" type films because he's not good in "Immediate Famiily" roles and he isn't good enough to keep trying it - and then he cultivated his particular side niche so well he locked himself out of other roles..........on the other hand he cultivated that side of his work so well that he was legit great at scuzzballs, weirdoes, sickos. Really great at it.......which made the parts he wasn't so good at look worse.
He's also a small time actor imo - his best work is on TV (some of it really brilliant, including beating out Robert Duvall in Lonesome Dove for an Emmy - a flat out stunner when Woods had just won already before recently anyway!) .........but in the movies well I'll tell you he didn't deserve those parts in the overrated OUATIA and the overrated Casino and it's no coincidence that he's not that good in them either opposite De Niro who is not just in an entirely different league as an actor obviously but also as a movie actor specifically.
He's a complicated guy to assess.....
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Post by TerryMontana on May 20, 2020 18:42:12 GMT
I don't consider him great but it's a fine actor and always a joy to watch. My favorite Woods performances are Ghosts of Mississippi, Citizen Cohn and The Virgin Suicides.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 20, 2020 18:57:40 GMT
A skeezy piece of shit who's very talented at playing skeezy pieces of shit. He's tremendous in The Onion Field and Salvador.
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Post by thomasjerome on May 20, 2020 19:10:36 GMT
He's such a terrific actor that I keep forgetting what a garbage of a human being he can be. He always brings certain kind of intensity and energy when he appears on screen; whenever he shows up I just know that it's gonna be hell of an entertaining ride. I think he'd even make into my top 20 of favorite living male actors. So many excellent performances: "Vampires", "True Believer", "Once Upon a Time in America" and "Onion Field" are among my top favorite performances. Then there are "Best Seller", "Diggstown", and many more. Even in a part like "General's Daughter", he still elevates the material considerably.
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Post by Mattsby on May 20, 2020 20:49:50 GMT
Never thought much of him until last year when I started a streak, got lost in the Woods and since have watched around 25 of his movies. Now I'm a big fan. Still haven't got to Ghosts of Mississippi, Holocaust, Cohn, etc! To me he's extremely watchable - often has the tense presence of a laser, and often brings an edgy energy to the screen. He's an underrated comedic actor and even when he's not acing nastiness in his villain roles he can be quite slick in more generic parts too. The Onion Field probably his best, a sly livewire of a perf. Also think he's really outstanding in Promise (1986), a perf that choked me up a few times, wouldn't think he'd be so great. That one comes smack in the middle of '84-88 which might be his all-around peak period. OUATIA (cast standout, there's fire in those glares and he practically wipes De Niro off the screen), Cat's Eye (trivial part but suggests he'd work in an anxious Woody Allen esque role), Salvador, Best Seller, Cop - dynamic lead perfs, he fills out scenes and matches/sharpens the tone of these pics. Could name many more perfs I like, but I will admit he seems to have lost the touch somewhere around the late 90s early 00s. He can still be pretty good (True Crime, Ray Donovan) but these are small, small roles and unfortunately doesn't look like he has much left to offer.... Hmmm. Quick thought. Dropping out of the Bitter Moon lead (he was cast!!) was a huge mistake. He would've been pretty great there I think and might've upped his career to some other fascinating, risky lead roles.... instead of safer parts, bit parts, and goofy parts (though he's likable/funny in stuff like Next Door and Diggstown). I can kinda picture him in a Woody Allen, a Mamet, etc. What might've been if he was a Democrat! I'm kiddddding (?)
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Post by pacinoyes on May 20, 2020 21:13:22 GMT
Hmmm. Quick thought. Dropping out of the Bitter Moon lead (he was cast!!) was a huge mistake. He would've been pretty great there I think and might've upped his career to some other fascinating, risky lead roles.... instead of safer parts, bit parts, and goofy parts (though he's likable/funny in stuff like Next Door and Diggstown). I can kinda picture him in a Woody Allen, a Mamet, etc. What might've been if he was a Democrat! I'm kiddddding (?) He made a mistake by what he took - why is he in The Specialist in 1994 for example wtf - that kind of thing made him seem smaller than he could have seemed. He knows that period did him no favors but he usually talks about it relative to what he didn't do (ie his agent never told him about Reservoir Dogs in what I assume was the Buscemi part). Immediate Family and The Hard Way were nice guy roles that should have been a step up for his profile, weren't and he maybe started scrambling and playing it safe and minor and then falling back on slimeballs. On the other hand if he was a bigger actor I could picture him as Vince Hanna or Neil McCauley in my nightmare version of Heat which would have co-starred Nick Nolte I guess
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Post by pupdurcs on May 20, 2020 21:19:28 GMT
A terrifc actor. I posit that if his film career had taken shape in the early 1970's, instead of schelpping through TV roles and minor parts in films for most of that decade, he might have been much more of a legend. He didn't start getting the right breaks till it was too late, which shows how much luck and timing can play in careers. His weary cynicism was perfect for the decade. He wasn't your conventional looking leading man, but he had a charisma that could carry a film. He had a similar frame and look to Roy Schieder, but was far more interesting as an actor. Woods to me took on DeNiro at the peak of his capability in the gangster genre that defined him in Once Upon A Time In America and at the very least matched DeNiro step for step. To some, he even have been better than peak Bob, in one of his best performances. But this was 1984. I truly believe you could have slipped Woods into a lot of James Caan's roles, and he'd have been as good or better. I can see Woods as an even more dangerous Sonny Corleone in The Godfather. He unfortunately broke through in the wrong decade. He does not work as a conventional leading man. By the time his career started popping in the 80's, he was trying to play a lot of would be conventional lead roles, when those films that required off-kilter or unconventional leads in the 70's were being made with far less frequency. It was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, and didn't allow him to maximise his ability. So he only started shining infrequently in strong character parts ( Casino, Ghosts Of Mississippi) before settling as an all-purpose character actor across film, TV and voice-overs.
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Post by jakesully on May 20, 2020 22:21:47 GMT
Fucking love him. As another poster mentioned, he is terrific at playing total sleaze bags. I also thought he was brilliant in The Virgin Suicides.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 20, 2020 23:02:03 GMT
He unfortunately broke through in the wrong decade. He does not work as a conventional leading man. By the time his career started popping in the 80's, he was trying to play a lot of would be conventional lead roles, when those films that required off-kilter or unconventional leads in the 70's were being made with far less frequency. It was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, and didn't allow him to maximise his ability. So he only started shining infrequently in strong character parts (Casino, Ghosts Of Mississippi) before settling as an all-purpose character actor across film, TV and voice-overs.
This is actually a good description of Woods as a leading man. He could play leading roles, but they were often in more prestigey TV films / smaller movies. When he showed up in a major film production especially later on in his career, it was often more in scene stealing supporting roles, like as H.R. Haldeman in Nixon, or Contact. I think Woods was a bit too sleazy sounding (in real life he also turned into a sleaze, but that's aside the point), and frenetic to ever truly be a leading man, but he did have his moments of brilliance. I think of something like Salvador, he carries that movie so much, providing the lead photographic with a lot of guilt, or Vampires where he makes for a great anti-hero. I think the sleaziness of his voice is also why he's done a lot of voice acting too, especially these days, because it fits that "animated villain" vibe so much. Think of something like Hades in Hercules, he practically steals that movie, and you don't ever see his face, only his voice. It also helps that you can tell he's having a great time in that role.
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Post by finniussnrub on May 20, 2020 23:06:02 GMT
Wish he didn't let himself get the way of himself, but in his prime he was one of the most magnetic actors ever onscreen.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on May 20, 2020 23:11:20 GMT
It's a shame that most people will know him for his politics(because nobody is right wing in Hollywood except him and jon voight) than for his grossly underrated acting career
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Post by pacinoyes on May 21, 2020 0:08:05 GMT
It's a shame that most people will know him for his politics(because nobody is right wing in Hollywood except him and jon voight) than for his grossly underrated acting career Yeah........Eastwood too although as a director he's a different thing. I put a thread once on the Politics board that was "Why Does The Left Control The Arts?" (something like that).......that's one reason that our movies don't challenge us in the US - movies often that think they are "good for you" instead of rather just being good movies. What's worse is that Woods will be framed by the political discussion at all - if this was a thread on Chris Walken - who I could argue is very similar in a lot of ways to Woods - well he'd just get the privilege of just being assessed on his work alone because we know nothing of his politics. The ability to compartmentalize is a valuable gift in any assessment and that is now seen as a weakness or flaw for some reason unfortunately.....
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