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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 23, 2023 16:43:34 GMT
Hmmmmmmm......
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 23, 2023 16:47:22 GMT
PACINO, KILMER, JUDD all 3 back. Please MANN give us what we want.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 23, 2023 16:59:01 GMT
What role would Pacino be playing? Nothing there says "30 years later Hanna..."
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 23, 2023 17:06:57 GMT
What role would Pacino be playing? Nothing there says "30 years later Hanna..." Do people have me on block or something because I answered this question earlier today in the thread ffs He could appear in one scene...........a new scene Mann writes.......he could appear in 2 scenes reflecting back and bookend the movie..........he could appear a lot more than that de-aged I guess........we just don't know........the fact that a book exists means nothing really since Mann is a rather great writer and he could rewrite to accomodate Pacino since Mann loves him - the way all kind-hearted people do and should.........we'll know when we know.....but the cast list is gonna be awesome names I reckon......... and I don't think anyone else from the original film will appear.....but that will be interesting if anybody else does.....
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 23, 2023 17:13:56 GMT
From an Esquire interview last year Mann adamant on no de-aging for the Heat 2 movie:
"It's not for me. I just don't connect with heavy prosthetics or visual effect-laden things. I’d also have a problem with the movement of the actors."
Also he's suggested often that the movie wouldn't be a strict adaptation of the book. If the casting news is true, I think old Hanna would be the framing story... then it's just how jarring will it be to see Driver (or whoever) play younger Hanna and not Big Al.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 23, 2023 17:14:33 GMT
How about the movie ends with De Niro kicking open Pacino's door and the two blasting each other?
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Post by Pasquale on Mar 23, 2023 17:42:03 GMT
Hmmmmmmm...... omg, is it happening?
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 23, 2023 17:47:12 GMT
Yeah, I don't know how I feel about this...
Actually, I feel this is a terrible idea.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 23, 2023 17:51:16 GMT
No de-aging? So that means they might get different actors to play younger versions of the characters like they used to do in the old days?? *gasps*
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Post by Pasquale on Mar 23, 2023 17:56:12 GMT
Actually, I feel this is a terrible idea. 🤣
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Post by stephen on Mar 23, 2023 18:53:45 GMT
If they're going to do this, then yeah, don't bring anyone back from the 1995 film. Pull a Todd Solondz and completely recast, even if they don't resemble their original actors (i.e. when Solondz had Michael K. Williams play the Philip Seymour Hoffman role in Life During Wartime).
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Mar 23, 2023 21:05:23 GMT
Nice roundup of Heat 2 (the novel) collider.com/heat-2-michael-mann-novel/ Some spoilers in the article. So here's a general overview: Employing a non-linear structure that takes place in 1988, 1995, 1996, and 2000, the novel kicks off in the immediate aftermath of its predecessor. The Chris (Val Kilmer) narrative post '95 plays out in Ciudad del Este Paraguay. There are two rival Taiwanese families. Chris falls for Ana - a key player in one of those families - and things get complicated. 1988. Vincent Hanna and Neil McCauley are living in Chicago, doing their respective things (I do what I do best, I take scores. You do what you do best, try to stop guys like me. - No one is going to top or even match up to DeNiro/Pacino. Ontologically impossible.) Both cross paths in the Windy City with violent criminal Otis Wardell. A bit later some stuff happens close to the US-Mexican border. It's Chris and Michael Cherrito (played by Tom Sizemore in the original). Neil's in the company of his girlfriend, Elisa, and her daughter, Gabriella. 12 years later (in 2000), the action pivots to Los Angeles. Key players for this timeline: Chris, Hanna, Wardell and a grown up Gabriella.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 23, 2023 21:41:04 GMT
Maybe - and this is arguable - the Michael Mann doubters for Heat 2 are the most misplaced in their reasoning: For example Scott's Gladiator 2 could be great - or it could be Prometheus ........Coppola is certainly on many levels possibly being over-ambitious with many years of rust.......not saying he will be but I get both of those criticisms more than I do for Mann tbh...... Michael Mann in many ways knows the Heat universe in a way the other old, 80+ year old fnckers do not "know" their projects ^: He had done this as a TV movie - re-did it as a masterpiece feature and didn't re-write it when he easily could have - he resisted the pressure to re-write it and make it with more DePac interactions.......then he wrote a fairly acclaimed sequel as a novel despite having never written a novel before........on some level Michael Mann has lived with Heat for nearly half his life
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Mar 23, 2023 21:56:06 GMT
pacinoyesYes. Never underestimate Mann. Despite being as as old as the hills, if someone never missed a beat it's that (intimidating) guy. - Honestly, there's no need to distinguish the cast between the late 80s and the late 90s/early 00s stuff. The logical thing would be to cast actors who would be able to portray according to the whole narrative timeline. Pacino's casting only works if Mann is playing with the timeline/story of the novel, or wants to enhance it with an epilog or something (as pacinoyes mentioned) to tie the sequel stronger to the original. Pacino/De Niro were in their early 50s around the original's release. Casting guys in their (very) late 30s to mid 40s would be sensible, so they could also convince as guys in their mid to late 50s. The interesting thing is Heat's overall standing as a milestone of filmmaking, inseparably tied to the legacy of Pacino and De Niro as the quintessential paramount actors of their generation. So the question should be: Who is the heir apparent to those two legends?
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 23, 2023 22:02:16 GMT
I'm just wondering if it's gonna be an entirely different movie with entirely different actors and therefore won't really be a Heat movie anymore.
Of course no one denies the Mann. But I'd rather him adapt the book straight off. I guess we're gonna have to get new actors for that tho. But if we had Heat 2 in 1999 with Judd, Kilmer, and Pacino all back..... that would've been too cool for this world.
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Post by franklin on Mar 23, 2023 23:08:10 GMT
Maybe Pacino is playing Hanna in the 2000.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Mar 28, 2023 18:11:17 GMT
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Post by stephen on Mar 28, 2023 18:36:27 GMT
I hope she's playing the Pacino role.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Mar 28, 2023 18:38:46 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 28, 2023 18:42:20 GMT
Looking forward to her calling the GOAT "grand-daddy"
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Post by Pasquale on Mar 29, 2023 4:03:53 GMT
Looking forward to her calling the GOAT "grand-daddy" lel
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 4, 2023 1:04:24 GMT
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Post by franklin on Apr 4, 2023 1:25:26 GMT
So Driver: Young McCauley Butler: Chris Isaac: Young Hanna Pacino: Old Hanna
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Apr 4, 2023 1:25:53 GMT
Adam as a younger Neil definitely makes more sense. Now please cast Oscar Isaac as a young Vincent Hannah.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 4, 2023 2:35:35 GMT
Mann suddenly has a hard-on for Driver.
I feel like this collaboration has lasted the longest time for 0 films the pair've yet released.
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