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Post by stephen on May 12, 2020 17:29:26 GMT
Also starring Daveed Diggs as Frederick Douglass.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 12, 2020 17:32:42 GMT
Hard pass.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 12, 2020 17:35:49 GMT
Hopefully it will be better than the trailer and it has an acclaimed source but I don't like the comic slant - I mean he was a scary man with a just cause, I don't want to be laughing at the crazy white guy and lose sight of that....so hopefully the full work is more considered. Hawke looks like he's chowing down on all scenery  |
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Post by pupdurcs on May 12, 2020 17:42:21 GMT
This looks fucking fascinating. Hawke looks like he's really going for something here, and while Diggs isn't my ideal Frederick Douglass in my mind, I feel he can really pull this off. Might end up being a waste of time, but the trailer has got me. Especially with Hawke, a very low key actor trying to go so big.
After trying to watch the first few episodes of Mrs America, and getting out of it a trite, poor woman's attempt at Mad Men that is struggling to maintain my interest, this looks like one hell of a palette cleanser in terms of historical based TV mini-series.
Bring it on!
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Post by Martin Stett on May 12, 2020 17:54:50 GMT
I'm not sure that Hawke can pull off the inspired zaniness of Mel Gibson or Nic Cage, but I'm open to seeing him try. I'm with Pac on his opinion of this looking like it is turning Brown into a joke though. I hope that isn't the case.
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 12, 2020 18:07:13 GMT
Looks interesting. Ethan Hawke has been waiting on his "king kong ain't got sh/t on me" moment for almost 20 years. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 12, 2020 19:21:06 GMT
Love seeing Hawke scream about The Lord. I don't usually see him going that big, not even in his paycheck roles, so it was a nice refreshing change of pace. This looks like it has the potential to be quite good / interesting. |
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Post by stephen on May 12, 2020 19:30:18 GMT
I'm actually optimistic. I was thinking about how we need a proper John Brown biopic, full of righteous anger, and Ethan Hawke proved in First Reformed he's capable of that idealistic crusader archetype in a more low-key setting; we just needed to see him at full froth.
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Post by ibbi on May 12, 2020 19:50:00 GMT
Unlike all the Giants receiving corps John Brown can actually catch a hard pass. You know you'd watch it if they made one of these about Victor Cruz. |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 12, 2020 23:49:48 GMT
Unlike all the Giants receiving corps John Brown can actually catch a hard pass. You know you'd watch it if they made one of these about Victor Cruz. I'd watch the shit out of a Victor Cruz biopic! There is never enough salsa in my life to keep me happy! Also, fun fact: Cruz was the only pro-bowl WR that Eli ever got to throw to other than OBJ. Man, 2011 was a good year. |
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Post by cheesecake on May 14, 2020 15:33:31 GMT
I'm intrigued. Hawke looks like a lot and I'm here for it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 2, 2020 10:22:07 GMT
Look, good intentions aside Ethan Hawke is and will always be small time as an actor (except for First Reformed, greatly used there)......and these trailers are fncking awful to me, but who knows maybe they're not capturing it.  Observation: Fictionalize this story and make the John Brown character's cause be something less obviously righteous or more grey (how about his obsession is ending abortion maybe?). You'd have something closer to the truth in how Brown was perceived then.......and more complicated artistically/dramatically. Just sayin'...... |
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 2, 2020 15:08:45 GMT
“.44 caliber abolitionist”. I fucking love that even if the rest of the trailer wasn’t very good
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 2, 2020 15:50:27 GMT
Very bad trailer here...
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 30, 2020 21:36:41 GMT
Judging by the early reviews (it's currently 83 on Metacritic), this show is supposed to be very good, and most critics are saying Ethan Hawke gives an incredible performance. Happy for Hawke. He's a great, underrated actor and this performance looked well out of his comfort zone, so it's good for him that people think he pulled it off. He may be the early frontrunner for most of the Best Actor limited series TV awards now.
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Post by stephen on Sept 30, 2020 23:36:02 GMT
Glad to hear the good word on Hawke.
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 30, 2020 23:39:45 GMT
Good for him!
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 7, 2020 17:15:36 GMT
"Y'all gonna hang me or not? I got chores." Anybody catch the first episode? Directed by Albert Hughes (Menace 2 Society, From Hell) in a way that is anything but boring. I just wonder with its POV, fast pace, and tricky tone if the weeklong wait isn't gonna hurt its momentum and our feel of it. Main kid is good, Hawke vehement one could say, Keith David's third cousin bit made me laugh, some Elmore James on the soundtrack....
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 13, 2020 0:12:09 GMT
E2 was good and almost entirely without Ethan Hawke - he recently said John Brown is "the noise of the show" but the journey is Onion's, and so this ep questions how long Onion will put up the gender facade, and the different ways slaves look to survive. Not a humorous ep, it's rather emotional. With some Nina Simone on the soundtrack.....
Hubert Point-Du Jour as Bob is very good so far, I hope he gets more to do, could be a breakout new actor.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 13, 2020 7:04:35 GMT
I liked both episodes and I like Hawke very much - this is some of his more robust and best acting ever - I accuse him of being a vanilla actor but this is his version of tearing into a role........I'm not sure how much I'll keep watching but maybe - it's like watching a show where the "story" isn't the story so much "the" story but slight variations on stories within.
It is well played though in narration, music and weird humor ......the Sibonia arc here is when most people get hooked on this show I bet ........a little of this is a little much for me and in its own way formula is already set up - ironic turn, violent resolution, not much historical accuracy as it plays but kind of thrilling in its self-contained world.
~7/10 or a little higher at the start ..... there's good stuff here.......
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 19, 2020 18:38:23 GMT
This is only 7 episodes total so may as well keep up....
E3 is pretty good, but maybe the weakest yet, the bulk of it plays out like theater with Daveed Diggs as a pompous Frederick Douglass in a portrayal that feels more outta John Guare than this show. Hawke gets a few great scenes, one on the train where there's size and scare to him and then a poignance, and another in a nervous dinner scene with Douglass where he combs his beard with a fork and we get a sense of how swiftly he can lose or catch others with all his over-the-brim religion and intended violence - is he noble or annoying?
Starting to appreciate the production design quite a lot too, and keeping with my other posts, we get two great Gospel songs on the soundtrack this ep.
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 2, 2020 18:14:54 GMT
E4 was mainly set up, but lotta big Hawke speeches and scenes (Schrader is loving it, below). E5 more set up, but with a surprise appearance by a lovely Maya Hawke playing Ethan's daughter! Little too light and comedic, this ep.  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 2, 2020 18:19:46 GMT
E4 was mainly set up, but lotta big Hawke speeches and scenes (Schrader is loving it, below). E5 more set up, but with a surprise appearance by a lovely Maya Hawke playing Ethan's daughter! Little too light and comedic, this ep. They are making a feature film together too "Revolver" about The Beatles (good band, I can see them getting big ) news.avclub.com/ethan-and-maya-hawke-to-star-in-coming-of-age-beatles-c-1845544380 |
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 2, 2020 18:39:36 GMT
E4 was mainly set up, but lotta big Hawke speeches and scenes (Schrader is loving it, below). E5 more set up, but with a surprise appearance by a lovely Maya Hawke playing Ethan's daughter! Little too light and comedic, this ep. They are making a feature film together too "Revolver" about The Beatles (good band, I can see them getting big ) news.avclub.com/ethan-and-maya-hawke-to-star-in-coming-of-age-beatles-c-1845544380Sounds like I Wanna Hold Your Hand w/ Nancy Allen! I see a lot of potential in Maya Hawke.... Not that she's amazing in E5 but she is instantly lovely and she sings and performs some Shakespeare (she's definitely a Hawke!). I feel like she could do that kinda part, Bard or period, as well as like a Woody Allen or Sofia Coppola lead (actually, she was gonna star in Sofia's Little Mermaid which would've catapulted her draw). Also admire Ethan Hawke here as producer/writer - very generous, and clearly passionate, and in the casting there's not just Maya but the kid from Boyhood plays his son again!  |
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 16, 2020 23:57:31 GMT
Finished. Some tonal stumbles and a stretched middle/climax - otherwise I liked the production and the perfs especially the voltage and size and humor in Hawke, and Hubert Point-du Jour as the trapped deadpan Bob, I liked him whenever he was on screen. Comes together in the finale, the coming-of-age line and the religious line in a beautiful way, I thought.
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