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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 16, 2020 15:36:25 GMT
Thanks. I know its all opinion and perception. Every actor has their own wheelhouse that they act in, some are just bigger and more popular then others. Not everyone wants to be Brando or Daniel-Day-Lewis levels of commitment, at the same time not every actor wants to be relatable like Tom Hanks. It's like a juggling act. I get your Dafoe opinion. There is a feeling it's a bit of a "flavor of the moment" type thing, at the same time I do like the appreciation he has gotten as of late, even if I think he's really an acquired taste as a performer. At the end of the day, guess it just comes down to where you stand on his acting, and career as a whole. I'm a dyed in the wool cynic when it comes to this kind of disproportionate elevation of well regarded arthouse performers when they are having a moment in their careers. When you see this thing happen over and over again, you know the drill and you know how it ends. In the 1990's, because he was having a moment in his career and a darling of indie cinema, a certain type of cinephile would act with a straight face as if Harvey Kietel (a very fine actor, no question) was greater than Pacino, DeNiro, Nicholson, Hackman and Hoffman combined. Kietel was working with Tarantino in his prime and whipping his dick out for Abel Ferrera and Jane Campion!!!! He's much more "daring" than those other guys in that period of his career and now revealed himself as the true "best actor of his generation" (that 70's generation). Look at his range!!!! He plays Maori tribesmen and gets naked!!!! Those other guys are overrated compared to Harvey because they are much more popular "movie stars". Real talk! Of course it was fucking ludicrous then, and reality set in again eventually, and Kietel was no longer clearly better than all his generational peers, even to those discerning cinephiles who tried to elevate him way above his status, and then promptly got bored of him and moved on. He went from being claimed by some overly enthusiastic cinephilles as the single greatest actor working or living, back to being the 12th best actor of his generation or whatever he's realistically considered as. But this Johnny-Come-Lately Dafoe flex reeks of that. Never really thought of the Keitel comparison, although to be fair Dafoe is probably going to stick around a lot longer, and get better roles. Keitel's age, and the fact that he was never considered a true leading man in the traditional sense probably doomed him a bit as far as better roles later on were concerned. He still shows up as a regular in Wes Anderson films these days for example. Dafoe is in the same sort of category (ironically he's also a Wes Anderson regular), but I think it's a lot different because he mostly steers away from some of the more baffling "almost straight to video" choices / offers that Keitel made in the 2000s. It also helps that we're in a much different era of movies too. Every actor can be the "artsy flavor of the mouth". Some stick around, and make daring movies. Others flame out for one reason or another. The business can be brutal and unforgiving in that way.
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Post by cherry68 on May 17, 2020 21:11:53 GMT
How about one of my favorite actors - Sergio Castellitto (in his 60s and a world class talent - sort of an older Bardem in a way) and since we're killing our idols how about going really young Luca Marinelli - the Ryan Gosling of Italy - arguably the world's best actor under 40 period perhaps (?) Where are the Italian posters on this board to advocate for their countrymen at least (!) even if Marinelli too young in 2020 (but as with Haenel that upside is huge) Marinelli below: Just rewatched Lo chiamavano Jeeg Robot, where Marinelli is supporting (quite big role). Have you seen that?
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Post by pacinoyes on May 17, 2020 21:50:27 GMT
How about one of my favorite actors - Sergio Castellitto (in his 60s and a world class talent - sort of an older Bardem in a way) and since we're killing our idols how about going really young Luca Marinelli - the Ryan Gosling of Italy - arguably the world's best actor under 40 period perhaps (?) Where are the Italian posters on this board to advocate for their countrymen at least (!) even if Marinelli too young in 2020 (but as with Haenel that upside is huge) Marinelli below: Just rewatched Lo chiamavano Jeeg Robot, where Marinelli is supporting (quite big role). Have you seen that? I have seen it! That movie was interesting to me because I guess we'd call that a superhero movie - not usually the kind of thing I like but it's quite beautiful visually too. I would suspect that's the maybe the "biggest" movie he's done although in support and not the lead. I'm glad we got some talk about Marinelli - Drish mentioned the Indian actress Tabu in his post so we have had some talk in this thread about different actors than we usually cover which is always nice.....
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Post by cherry68 on May 17, 2020 22:09:53 GMT
Just rewatched Lo chiamavano Jeeg Robot, where Marinelli is supporting (quite big role). Have you seen that? I have seen it! That movie was interesting to me because I guess we'd call that a superhero movie - not usually the kind of thing I like but it's quite beautiful visually too. I would suspect that's the maybe the "biggest" movie he's done although in support and not the lead. I'm glad we got some talk about Marinelli - Drish mentioned the Indian actress Tabu in his post so we have had some talk in this thread about different actors than we usually cover which is always nice..... I like the arc of the superhero in that movie, how he's basically an infant hero psychologically wise, underlined by his only food, pudding. And the obsession of Marinelli 's character for celebrity. I'm thinking he could have been an interesting Joker. Edit: his biggest movie as a leading actor is La solitudine dei numeri primi imo.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 21, 2020 12:51:57 GMT
Took this old thread and turned it into a poll now - tried to incorporate all mentions so far before this was actually a poll. If someone is missing .......meh, I always really love when people complain the poll isn't complete .........and yanno you can put them in other So if you've posted, now you can vote........and of course re-post if you like
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 21, 2020 13:40:56 GMT
No surprise here: For me it's Hanks and Blanchett, nothing new.
After them, DDL, Dafoe, Pfeiffer...
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Post by DanQuixote on Aug 22, 2020 12:14:38 GMT
Huppert and Dafoe.
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Post by countjohn on Aug 25, 2020 3:39:46 GMT
From this list it was DDL and Blanchett for me. It was a pretty immediate choice and I don't think any of the others really challenge them based on what I've seen.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 12, 2020 17:12:04 GMT
How about one of my favorite actors - Sergio Castellitto (in his 60s and a world class talent - sort of an older Bardem in a way) and since we're killing our idols how about going really young Luca Marinelli - the Ryan Gosling of Italy - arguably the world's best actor under 40 period perhaps (?) Where are the Italian posters on this board to advocate for their countrymen at least (!) even if Marinelli too young in 2020 (but as with Haenel that upside is huge) Marinelli below: I recently saw Marinelli in Non essere cattivo, where he plays the bad guy role, even if he was initially casted for the other guy. A quite complex role where he was convincing as always.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 29, 2022 1:22:06 GMT
W/ Huppert turning 70 very soon....... I'll have to switch my pick to Judy Davis (67). By the time she's 70, it'll likely be a Blanchett runaway. Actor is still Cage for me.... but it's a great tangled up group fighting for that spot. I love the battle of Denzel/Hanks - they're diverting in different ways, as Denzel only gives a serious perf every 4-5 years, and Hanks who works more is swing-and-missing juicy roles (in fact, some of my friends who are huge Hanks fans have slightly cooled on him bc they hate his Elvis perf so much...). Dafoe, like Cage, has seven projects done and potentially premiering in 2023..... that's a lot... and arguably nobody around his age range has made their case better since, say, 2015, like Dafoe has. Shoutout to another big battle: Leo/Joaquin....... 2023 they're goin' at it. On pure talent there's Bardem, but he needs to fire his agent. Lyle Lyle Dune Part 2 I also keep a little drunk hope on my favorite disasters: Depp & Eric Roberts.
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Post by jason on Dec 29, 2022 1:45:54 GMT
Brad Pitt and Nicole Kidman
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