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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2020 14:13:20 GMT
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Post by stephen on May 8, 2020 14:29:23 GMT
I'll stick to roles I think the actors would've been better fits for than their counterparts:
DE NIRO ROLES PACINO COULD HAVE PLAYED: True Confessions The Untouchables Casino The Wizard of Lies Silver Linings Playbook
PACINO ROLES DE NIRO COULD HAVE PLAYED: Um . . . I actually don't know if I can feature Bobby playing a Pacino role better than Al. The closest is that I think De Niro played the devil better than Pacino did, but those were two different movies. There are a lot of movies where I think De Niro would've been good for the part, but nothing where I think he would've been better than what we got.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 8, 2020 15:20:33 GMT
Well I think you actually learn more about them by the parts that the other couldn't play in a way: Pacino couldn't play many of the physical body changing/shapeshifting parts (Raging Bull or even Deer Hunter etc.) - DeNiro would struggle with the more verbal and text parts (Dog Day, Devils Advocate etc.) - the things Pacino really does better than anyone - the long tricky speeches, the way he handles line readings aren't necessarily DeNiro's biggest strengths. I think DeNiro could have played Panic in Needle Park.......Insomnia.......Donnie Brasco......Any Given Sunday.......those are the less exotic roles where Pacino is usually VERY exotic - less exotic is him in DeNiro territory. Pacino is the opposite he should have played the more exotic ones De Niro did....... maybe 1900, Flawless, Casino, he would have been great in Midnight Run and....in particular Night and The City - that's a total Pacino role opposite Lange for Godsakes! Usually I don't think of Al as replacing De Niro much though, I think of Al as replacing a far lesser actor - like he should have played the Michael Douglas roles in Wonder Boys and The Kominsky Method - those are two of Douglas greatest roles too and I'm like: "yeah too bad, you're out Michael."
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Post by cherry68 on May 8, 2020 15:26:17 GMT
Pacino could have played De Niro 's role in The Godfather, but not vice versa.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 8, 2020 16:49:11 GMT
Mid-80s De Niro would have been a far better choice in Revolution, which of course would either way be a bad movie... It was a role that required some physical abilities Pacino never showed on screen, unlike De Niro.
Bobby back in the 70s would make a great leading character in Panic in Needle Park (although Al was also great). In my mind this role was somehow similar with Johnny Boy in Mean Streets.
I guess Al would nail the part of Ace Rothstein in Casino and maybe he would have done a better job as David Merrill in Guilty by Suspicion.
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Post by wallsofjericho on May 8, 2020 19:19:08 GMT
I could see Pacino doing Falling in Love and I think his take on Rupert Pupkin would be interesting.
I could see De Niro doing Sea of Love and Donnie Brasco.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 9, 2020 12:36:25 GMT
After thinking about this some more it's kind of amazing how few times I swap DePac out of roles compared to the other top 5 American GOATS (imo): Brando, Dustin Hoffman, Nicholson etc. I can actually swap them out more obviously across other big actors than I can each other and of course in some cases those guys played roles the other GOATs played too which is kind of awesome to compare: De Niro/Nicholson/Pacino - SatanDeNiro/Brando - Vito Corleone Pacino/Nicholson - Hoffa Pacino/Hoffman - Swapped stage roles for films - Shylock - Merchant of Venice & Teach - American Buffalo
Hoffman on stage in Merchant of Venice/Pacino on stage in American Buffalo - the other filmed it:
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Post by fiosnasiob on May 9, 2020 14:47:58 GMT
That's an easy and at the same time hard question to answer, it's easy because to me, they COULD have played most of the other actor's roles, especially the great ones. In my eyes, any very good actor would delivers in a prime 70's Scorsese/Lumet films, the talents and materials involved are way too good to fail. Nobody will convince me that a great actor like Bobby D wouldn't delivers in Dog Day Afternoon or Serpico, even if at first thought, you maybe wouldn't think of him for a part like Sonny but if you look at Gene Hackman career and famous roles, he's perhaps not the best suited to play introverted Harry Caul in The Conversation and yet many people consider it to be his best work. Same with Dustin Hoffman's menacing and intense ex-con in Straight Time, Fonda in OUATITW...even maybe Jack in About Schmidt. If "more suited" contemporary actors played their parts, maaybe you couldn't even imagine them giving some of their very best works doing it, thanksfully great actors surprise.
Now it's hard to tell if they could have been close to as good, as good or even better, all I can tell is that it would have been...different. I would have liked to see Al Pacino in The King of Comedy too and I think he would have been much better in weaker material stuff like Hide and Seek. And obviously I can't see Bobby doing Pacino's more personal, shakespeare stuffs, he ain't that good.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 9, 2020 18:04:54 GMT
That's an easy and at the same time hard question to answer, it's easy because to me, they COULD have played most of the other actor's roles, especially the great ones. In my eyes, any very good actor would delivers in a prime 70's Scorsese/Lumet films, the talents and materials involved are way too good to fail. Nobody will convince me that a great actor like Bobby D wouldn't delivers in Dog Day Afternoon or Serpico, even if at first thought, you maybe wouldn't think of him for a part like Sonny but if you look at Gene Hackman career and famous roles, he's perhaps not the best suited to play introverted Harry Caul in The Conversation and yet many people consider it to be his best work. Same with Dustin Hoffman's menacing and intense ex-con in Straight Time, Fonda in OUATITW...even maybe Jack in About Schmidt. If "more suited" contemporary actors played their parts, maaybe you couldn't even imagine them giving some of their very best works doing it, thanksfully great actors surprise. Now it's hard to tell if they could have been close to as good, as good or even better, all I can tell is that it would have been...different. I would have liked to see Al Pacino in The King of Comedy too and I think he would have been much better in weaker material stuff like Hide and Seek. And obviously I can't see Bobby doing Pacino's more personal, shakespeare stuffs, he ain't that good. You make some fantastic points here. In the majority of their key roles, they could have effectively played it. Whether they'd been as good would be up in the air, but as you say, when being directed by the creme dela creme of 70's directors like Scorsese and Lumet, I imagine the levels wouldn't be far off. As you say, it'd be different. But the quality of the filmmakers made those parts ideal for more than one actor. I can easily see DeNiro doing something exceptional with Dog Day's Afternoon or Serpico. While Pacino might have been just as interesting in Mean Streets or Taxi Driver.Yeah, it's only really the fact that Pacino has a proper classical/range and pedigree, where I think DeNiro probably isn't best suited to the Shakespeare exucursions Pacino managed.
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Post by wallsofjericho on May 9, 2020 18:31:49 GMT
After thinking about this some more it's kind of amazing how few times I swap DePac out of roles compared to the other top 5 American GOATS (imo): Brando, Dustin Hoffman, Nicholson etc. I can actually swap them out more obviously across other big actors than I can each other and of course in some cases those guys played roles the other GOATs played too which is kind of awesome to compare: De Niro/Nicholson/Pacino - SatanDeNiro/Brando - Vito Corleone Pacino/Nicholson - Hoffa Pacino/Hoffman - Swapped stage roles for films - Shylock - Merchant of Venice & Teach - American Buffalo
Hoffman on stage in Merchant of Venice/Pacino on stage in American Buffalo - the other filmed it:Wondered if you had read this article comparing Pacino and Nicholson's Hoffas. Two very different interpretations. www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/movies/hoffa-pacino-nicholson.html
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 9, 2020 19:16:22 GMT
That's an easy and at the same time hard question to answer, it's easy because to me, they COULD have played most of the other actor's roles, especially the great ones. In my eyes, any very good actor would delivers in a prime 70's Scorsese/Lumet films, the talents and materials involved are way too good to fail. Nobody will convince me that a great actor like Bobby D wouldn't delivers in Dog Day Afternoon or Serpico, even if at first thought, you maybe wouldn't think of him for a part like Sonny but if you look at Gene Hackman career and famous roles, he's perhaps not the best suited to play introverted Harry Caul in The Conversation and yet many people consider it to be his best work. Same with Dustin Hoffman's menacing and intense ex-con in Straight Time, Fonda in OUATITW...even maybe Jack in About Schmidt. If "more suited" contemporary actors played their parts, maaybe you couldn't even imagine them giving some of their very best works doing it, thanksfully great actors surprise. Now it's hard to tell if they could have been close to as good, as good or even better, all I can tell is that it would have been...different. I would have liked to see Al Pacino in The King of Comedy too and I think he would have been much better in weaker material stuff like Hide and Seek. And obviously I can't see Bobby doing Pacino's more personal, shakespeare stuffs, he ain't that good. You make some fantastic points here. In the majority of their key roles, they could have effectively played it. Whether they'd been as good would be up in the air, but as you say, when being directed by the creme dela creme of 70's directors like Scorsese and Lumet, I imagine the levels wouldn't be far off. As you say, it'd be different. But the quality of the filmmakers made those parts ideal for more than one actor. I can easily see DeNiro doing something exceptional with Dog Day's Afternoon or Serpico. While Pacino might have been just as interesting in Mean Streets or Taxi Driver.Yeah, it's only really the fact that Pacino has a proper classical/range and pedigree, where I think DeNiro probably isn't best suited to the Shakespeare exucursions Pacino managed. I could also have easily seen young more reserved Pacino playing DeNiro's role in Mean Streets. There's a lot of small moments in that film that call for a more theatrical actor of his caliber to deliver with pathos. Plus he was already established by that point, whereas DeNiro was just working up to his big breakout role in The Godfather Part II, which he got in part because of his performance in Streets. On the opposite end, I don't think Pacino would have fit The Deer Hunter, or Raging Bull, because by that point in his career he lacked the intensity and physicality that Bobby brought to those roles.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 9, 2020 19:28:28 GMT
After thinking about this some more it's kind of amazing how few times I swap DePac out of roles compared to the other top 5 American GOATS (imo): Brando, Dustin Hoffman, Nicholson etc. I can actually swap them out more obviously across other big actors than I can each other and of course in some cases those guys played roles the other GOATs played too which is kind of awesome to compare: De Niro/Nicholson/Pacino - SatanDeNiro/Brando - Vito Corleone Pacino/Nicholson - Hoffa Pacino/Hoffman - Swapped stage roles for films - Shylock - Merchant of Venice & Teach - American Buffalo
Hoffman on stage in Merchant of Venice/Pacino on stage in American Buffalo - the other filmed it: Wondered if you had read this article comparing Pacino and Nicholson's Hoffas. Two very different interpretations.
www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/movies/hoffa-pacino-nicholson.html
Yes, someone had PM'd me this around the Oscars - it's a good analysis. Two things I'd add to it is Nicholson's Hoffa is better earlier and as the movie gets worse it takes him with it and he can't save it. That happens in a lot of Nicholson's work - even some of his best work you could say peaks early on - I think it happened specifically in The Departed for one example but there's a few like that. Nicholson is a fascinating actor to talk about because as much as he usually "played Jacccccccck" to great acclaim - when he had to "stretch" - he often pulled it off in surprising ways. His Hoffa maybe is a mixed bag overall but he has said that he loves his own performance there and my guess is because I think for him to even try it, it felt like a real stretch - where to the viewers we think of him as being "perfect" for Hoffa which is sort of true and not at all true at the exact same time.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 15, 2020 8:35:04 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on May 15, 2020 12:29:42 GMT
Kings of the World in this interview - at this point they were literally (inarguably perhaps even - though Nicholson is always in that argument) the 2 best actors in the world - not just English - no new generation could yet stake a claim against them (Phoenix, DiCaprio, DDL, etc.) they were more "equal" than they had ever been prior (especially considering Pacino's ups and downs) and their fans hadn't staked out their claim on who they "preferred" and stupid stuff like that. I often think of it like When The Beatles were still together - you didn't like John OR Paul ........you like John AND Paul.
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Post by franklin on Sept 7, 2020 2:30:23 GMT
There is this completely forgotten movie that DeNiro did in 2016 called The Comedian. I think Pacino would have been a better fit in this role, and would have pulled it off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 14:05:39 GMT
Would Pacino do full frontal nudity, though?
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 24, 2021 19:25:40 GMT
I've always associated De Niro and Pacino to two different brands of acting, so I really struggle to think of any. Maybe I would have loved to see Bobby play Ricky Roma, but that role was so fully pacino-esque that it's hard to imagine anyone else but Al.
I think I could imagine Pacino and De Niro swapping roles with Nicholson (who I think had a sort of DePac blend that could work practically everywhere), but not a straight swap between the two.
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Post by franklin on Feb 24, 2021 21:42:27 GMT
Pacino bulked up and tattooed with a wild southern accent going nuts in Cape Fear.
I would have loved to see that.
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