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Post by wallsofjericho on Apr 29, 2020 19:22:54 GMT
Any fans of this performance? I'm not a Penn fan overall but this is one of his best in my opinion. He transforms himself but still feels like some of the most loose acting he's ever done. Usually, I can sometimes see the wheels turning in his performances but not this one. Especially love the whole sequence where he navigates his plan on the boat.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2020 19:27:21 GMT
I haven't seen the movie in a while (a rewatch is due!) but I definitely remember absolutely loving him in it. He's been in my Supporting Actor lineup for that year for ages.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 29, 2020 19:53:48 GMT
I've been on here and in the IMDB days as saying he's the most naturally gifted actor with the highest peaks of anybody in his generation and that includes Hanks/Washington/Cage/Dafoe/Spacey/Rourke .......now no one agrees with that on here  and his career has gone of a cliff in the last 12 years - he's been surpassed but at his best and for 20+ years he was just a marvelous risk taking actor - that's not too different from what happened to Dustin Hoffman's career. In Carlito's Way (a marvelous entertainment) he is basically like Peter Lorre to Pacino's Bogart or something like that - he's just a wonderfully and monstrously creepy, oily and funny creation. These two guys did great work with De Palma who gave them plenty of room and got off on them too - they could have made many great films together like Scorsese/De Niro/Pesci. Penn is similarly button pushing vivid De Palma's in Casualties of War in how he draws the character..........whole thing doesn't maybe work but when it does there too he's got this terrific flair and style.......he was great.......hope he will be again one day. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 29, 2020 20:55:31 GMT
Any fans of this performance? I'm not a Penn fan overall but this is one of his best in my opinion. He transforms himself but still feels like some of the most loose acting he's ever done. Usually, I can sometimes see the wheels turning in his performances but not this one. Especially love the whole sequence where he navigates his plan on the boat. Probably his best performance. Or at least the one of his I enjoy the most for the reasons you stated. Probably the most stacked year in the history of supporting actor at the Oscars. Val Kilmer would be my runaway winner for Tombstone, but Penn would have been another worthy nominee. But I'm of a generally similar disposition to you regarding Penn. I respect some of his work and dislike a lot of it. He's had his moments, but has always been wildly inconsistent and yes, you can often see the wheels turning in his work. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 29, 2020 21:29:03 GMT
Any fans of this performance? I'm not a Penn fan overall but this is one of his best in my opinion. He transforms himself but still feels like some of the most loose acting he's ever done. Usually, I can sometimes see the wheels turning in his performances but not this one. Especially love the whole sequence where he navigates his plan on the boat. Probably his best performance. Or at least the one of his I enjoy the most for the reasons you stated. Probably the most stacked year in the history of supporting actor at the Oscars. Val Kilmer would be my runaway winner for Tombstone, but Penn would have been another worthy nominee. But I'm of a generally similar disposition to you regarding Penn. I respect some of his work and dislike a lot of it. He's had his moments, but has always been wildly inconsistent and yes, you can often see the wheels turning in his work. I think the thing about Penn, is that he's one of those actors, who if given completely free range can indeed go off the deep end rather wrongly. I think of something like Mystic River, where he's just an obnoxious ham. On the other side of the coin though, you've got performances like Carlito's Way and Causalities of War (both DePalma noteworthy enough), where I just find him immensely engaging, and in the case of Causalities, horrifying. Carlito's Way works in part because it plays to his strengths, but also because he really goes for that role, and not in a bad way. You can really feel the straight intensity on screen, generating from his face in damn nearly every scene he's in. Sadly those performances seem to be few and far between these days, and that's not even getting into the mess of his own personal life. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 29, 2020 21:44:38 GMT
Terrific performance, and ironically given the character one of maybe a handful of times he doesn't get on my last damn nerves.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 29, 2020 22:07:36 GMT
Probably his best performance. Or at least the one of his I enjoy the most for the reasons you stated. Probably the most stacked year in the history of supporting actor at the Oscars. Val Kilmer would be my runaway winner for Tombstone, but Penn would have been another worthy nominee. But I'm of a generally similar disposition to you regarding Penn. I respect some of his work and dislike a lot of it. He's had his moments, but has always been wildly inconsistent and yes, you can often see the wheels turning in his work. I think the thing about Penn, is that he's one of those actors, who if given completely free range can indeed go off the deep end rather wrongly. I think of something like Mystic River, where he's just an obnoxious ham. On the other side of the coin though, you've got performances like Carlito's Way and Causalities of War (both DePalma noteworthy enough), where I just find him immensely engaging, and in the case of Causalities, horrifying. Carlito's Way works in part because it plays to his strengths, but also because he really goes for that role, and not in a bad way. You can really feel the straight intensity on screen, generating from his face in damn nearly every scene he's in. Sadly those performances seem to be few and far between these days, and that's not even getting into the mess of his own personal life. I think Penn has an abundance of technique, but he's probably one of the less naturally talented of the top tier actors of his generation. Technique is a learned thing....something you can pick up and apply. And it has taken him pretty far as a film actor. Many people often confuse technique for talent. Penn doesn't competely lack natural talent, but many of his peers had more of it. The "talent" part is what makes so many actors seem effortless and/or natural. The most talented actors find it hard to hit a false note. I'm with you on Mystic River as well (at least in parts of it). But All The Kings Men may be his nadir and showed just how badly he can go wrong if unchecked. So Penn often can't modulate his work, in a way which comes more effortlessly to some more gifted actors, which is why he often overcooks it or just totally hits the wrong notes so often. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 29, 2020 22:13:09 GMT
Probably his best performance. Or at least the one of his I enjoy the most for the reasons you stated. Probably the most stacked year in the history of supporting actor at the Oscars. Val Kilmer would be my runaway winner for Tombstone, but Penn would have been another worthy nominee. But I'm of a generally similar disposition to you regarding Penn. I respect some of his work and dislike a lot of it. He's had his moments, but has always been wildly inconsistent and yes, you can often see the wheels turning in his work. I think the thing about Penn, is that he's one of those actors, who if given completely free range can indeed go off the deep end rather wrongly. I think of something like Mystic River, where he's just an obnoxious ham. On the other side of the coin though, you've got performances like Carlito's Way and Causalities of War (both DePalma noteworthy enough), where I just find him immensely engaging, and in the case of Causalities, horrifying. Carlito's Way works in part because it plays to his strengths, but also because he really goes for that role, and not in a bad way. You can really feel the straight intensity on screen, generating from his face in damn nearly every scene he's in. Sadly those performances seem to be few and far between these days, and that's not even getting into the mess of his own personal life. I agree with all of this. I thought he was effective in Sweet and Lowdown too. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 29, 2020 22:15:56 GMT
I think the thing about Penn, is that he's one of those actors, who if given completely free range can indeed go off the deep end rather wrongly. I think of something like Mystic River, where he's just an obnoxious ham. On the other side of the coin though, you've got performances like Carlito's Way and Causalities of War (both DePalma noteworthy enough), where I just find him immensely engaging, and in the case of Causalities, horrifying. Carlito's Way works in part because it plays to his strengths, but also because he really goes for that role, and not in a bad way. You can really feel the straight intensity on screen, generating from his face in damn nearly every scene he's in. Sadly those performances seem to be few and far between these days, and that's not even getting into the mess of his own personal life. I think Penn has an abundance of technique, but he's probably one of the less naturally talented of the top tier actors of his generation. Technique is a learned thing....something you can pick up and apply. And it has taken him pretty far a s a film actor. Many people often confuse technique for talent. Penn doesn't competely lack natural talent, but many of his peers had more of it. The "talent" part is what makes so many actors seem effortless and/or natural. The most talented actors find it hard to hit a false note. I'm with you on Mystic River as well. But All The Kings Men may be his nadir and showed just how badly he can go wrong if unchecked. So Penn often can't modulate his work, in a way which comes more effortlessly to some more gifted actors, which is why he often overcooks it or just totally hits the wrong notes so often. That's a good way of describing his technique. I think he can be quite good in the right role, Milk is actually a performance of his I rather admire for example, but often times he does some mistake real acting for an unnecessary "boisterous kind of nature". There's also a feeling when a director lets him go, he can't be contained, and often times not in a potentially entertaining way, All The King's Men of course being another great example. In that movie he really lets it rip, but he feels so lost at several points, of course it's not helped by the fact that it's an Oscar bait drama gone horribly wrong. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 29, 2020 22:26:10 GMT
........one of his best turns and funny too (although in his worst work he's unintentionally funny  ). Penn is that weird thing in that way too - a guy who seems absolutely humorless in real life but in film he could be far funnier than you would think and he has a Best Actor nod for it and an iconic early portrayal. A Best Actor nod for a comedic portrayal opposite a mute - I mean that degree of heavy lifting is almost always passed over because people hate the guy ........but.............. I realize it's a comedy-drama but his comedic work is particularly marvelous there. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Apr 30, 2020 1:44:47 GMT
Just such an amazing supporting actor performance.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 30, 2020 3:01:56 GMT
this is the one where he's incredibly OTT right? Not a fan. Mystic River was bad for the same reasons.
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Post by getclutch on Nov 9, 2020 21:18:28 GMT
Yeah, for an actor who only did this project for the money, brought in a memorable performance.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 29, 2023 17:32:56 GMT
A lot of raves for the brand new Arrow 4K DVD upgrade - out now - packed with extras ....I wouldn't put Carlito's Way above Scarface or in Pacino's Top 10 movies - I mean he's got a deep top 10 + .........but a lot of people really love it.......and there is a lot to love about it......it's aged very well as a movie........cool cover on the new dvd also ........ With a lush transfer and a smorgasbord of terrific supplements, Arrow Video gives one of Brian De Palma’s most moving films the long-overdue masterpiece treatment.www.slantmagazine.com/dvd/carlitos-way-4k-uhd-blu-ray-review-brian-de-palma/ |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 29, 2023 18:02:53 GMT
A lot of raves for the brand new Arrow 4K DVD upgrade - out now - packed with extras ....I wouldn't put Carlito's Way above Scarface or in Pacino's Top 10 movies - I mean he's got a deep top 10 + .........but a lot of people really love it.......and there is a lot to love about it......it's aged very well as a movie........cool cover on the new dvd also ........ With a lush transfer and a smorgasbord of terrific supplements, Arrow Video gives one of Brian De Palma’s most moving films the long-overdue masterpiece treatment.www.slantmagazine.com/dvd/carlitos-way-4k-uhd-blu-ray-review-brian-de-palma/I’ve been eyeing this but just not sure I want to drop $45 for it. |
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Post by Nikan on Sept 30, 2023 7:43:07 GMT
A lot of raves for the brand new Arrow 4K DVD upgrade - out now - packed with extras .... I wouldn't put Carlito's Way above Scarface or in Pacino's Top 10 movies - I mean he's got a deep top 10 + .........but a lot of people really love it.......and there is a lot to love about it......it's aged very well as a movie........cool cover on the new dvd also ........ What are your top 10 Pacino movies? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 30, 2023 10:13:31 GMT
A lot of raves for the brand new Arrow 4K DVD upgrade - out now - packed with extras .... I wouldn't put Carlito's Way above Scarface or in Pacino's Top 10 movies - I mean he's got a deep top 10 + .........but a lot of people really love it.......and there is a lot to love about it......it's aged very well as a movie........cool cover on the new dvd also ........ What are your top 10 Pacino movies? Something like this. I do think Angels in America is one of the greatest things he's been in ....... but just doing the movies........ The Godfather
Scarecrow
The Godfather Part II
Dog Day Afternoon
Scarface
Glengarry Glen Ross
Heat
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 25, 2023 22:16:08 GMT
I heard Fisher Stevens on a podcast sayng he had the Sean Penn role when Lumet was going to direct this? Hmmmmmmm
So both of the De Palma movies - Scarface and Carlito's Way - were attached to Lumet first.....
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 12, 2023 0:02:36 GMT
Happy 30th anniversary to Carlito's Way - released November 12, 1993
My favorite scene in the movie - and in this scene you can see how well De Palma worked with Pacino - they were a perfect pair - and he grants him a lot of leeway in how to play this scene - and also he keeps Big Al in the shot at all times so that you can see his reactions in the mirror (only Anthony Hopkins and Brando are at a comparably fantastic level of "listening" for English speaking actors imo)........Pacino's speech here is quite funny and scary too and so is his nod at the end when he gets his way......
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and his career has gone of a cliff in the last 12 years - he's been surpassed but at his best and for 20+ years he was just a marvelous risk taking actor - that's not too different from what happened to Dustin Hoffman's career.
). Penn is that weird thing in that way too - a guy who seems absolutely humorless in real life but in film he could be far funnier than you would think and he has a Best Actor nod for it and an iconic early portrayal.
