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Post by JangoB on Apr 28, 2020 20:53:08 GMT
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Apr 28, 2020 22:30:02 GMT
I'm fine with one Sound category. Now add Best Stunt Coordination and Best Casting. If they move the shorts off the main broadcast, they still save time by eliminating 2 awards.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 28, 2020 23:13:37 GMT
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Post by finniussnrub on Apr 29, 2020 0:56:02 GMT
Odd that happened with sound when they split the win most recently. Again, revoking Bohemian Rhapsody's sound editing win would've made more sense.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 29, 2020 2:27:34 GMT
I'm fine with one sound award since the voters don't seem to understand the difference. It does mean that 6-7 people are going to be accepting those awards tho...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 2:57:52 GMT
The Academy doesn't even know the difference between Sound Editing and Mixing lol
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Apr 29, 2020 7:29:03 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 29, 2020 11:30:04 GMT
So a global pandemic drags the movie industry, the theater owners, the Oscars into the modern age..........nice......so remember that "Netflix vs. Hollywood vs. Theater Owners vs. They Don't Report Box Office! BS" vs. Why Can't Netflix Just Follow Ruless and Act Like Amazon!?
Well............Netflix and the pandemic won .....and guess what: they were always right in their position too pre-pandemic, during the pandemic, after the pandemic too.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2020 12:01:20 GMT
So a global pandemic drags the movie industry, the theater owners, the Oscars into the modern age..........nice......so remember that "Netflix vs. Hollywood vs. Theater Owners vs. They Don't Report Box Office! BS" vs. Why Can't Netflix Just Follow Ruless and Act Like Amazon!? Well............Netflix and the pandemic won .....and guess what: they were always right in their position too pre-pandemic, during the pandemic, after the pandemic too. They didn't really 'win' because the Academy specified that this year will be an exception to the rule and that they'll go back to their previous eligibility requirements as soon as the virus situation changes.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2020 12:03:27 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 29, 2020 12:11:01 GMT
So a global pandemic drags the movie industry, the theater owners, the Oscars into the modern age..........nice......so remember that "Netflix vs. Hollywood vs. Theater Owners vs. They Don't Report Box Office! BS" vs. Why Can't Netflix Just Follow Ruless and Act Like Amazon!? Well............Netflix and the pandemic won .....and guess what: they were always right in their position too pre-pandemic, during the pandemic, after the pandemic too. They didn't really 'win' because the Academy specified that this year will be an exception to the rule and that they'll go back to their previous eligibility requirements as soon as the virus situation changes. Yeah I'm calling bullsh it on that.......the movie industry will never be the same after this and once you've opened the Pandora's Box there's no closing it. I mean they may do it - what's the difference in firing six more bullets into the carcass of your already long dead mule - but I'm sticking with Netflix "wins" because I like to believe in a logical world that only spins forward......
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2020 12:16:02 GMT
They didn't really 'win' because the Academy specified that this year will be an exception to the rule and that they'll go back to their previous eligibility requirements as soon as the virus situation changes. Yeah I'm calling bullsh it on that.......the movie industry will never be the same after this and once you've opened the Pandora's Box there's no closing it. I mean they may do it - what's the difference in firing six more bullets into the carcass of your already long dead mule - but I'm sticking with Netflix "wins" because I like to believe in a logical universe that only spins forward...... I dunno, I feel that the Academy has made its position very clear regarding eligibility issues and I firmly believe that as soon as moviegoing will normalize, they'll just stick by their initial theatre-supporting stance. The thing with the Academy is that it just kinda keeps finding ways to revitalize itself so I don't think it's seen as a dead mule or something. The historic "Parasite" win alone was enough to add a whole bunch of mojo into their blood system. Especially right after "Green Book"
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Post by stephen on Apr 29, 2020 12:39:08 GMT
Yeah, I'm inclined to side with Jango on this. I don't think this counts as a win for Netflix -- yes, there is an archaic eligibility rule with the Academy and it sucks that it took a global pandemic to shake things up, but old habits die hard.
What intrigues me about this is the fact that we're going to be seeing screeners die off. This is a fascinating way to track what voters actually see.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 29, 2020 12:51:03 GMT
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Post by morton on Apr 29, 2020 13:15:25 GMT
They didn't really 'win' because the Academy specified that this year will be an exception to the rule and that they'll go back to their previous eligibility requirements as soon as the virus situation changes. Yeah I'm calling bullsh it on that.......the movie industry will never be the same after this and once you've opened the Pandora's Box there's no closing it. I mean they may do it - what's the difference in firing six more bullets into the carcass of your already long dead mule - but I'm sticking with Netflix "wins" because I like to believe in a logical world that only spins forward...... I think you both have strong points, but I think for the film studios this does seem like a major turning point. Many already set up their own streaming channels or were in the process of setting up their own streaming services (Disney+, Apple TV+, HBO Max, NBC's Peacock, CBS All Access), so eventually it was going to be the future, but I think that the pandemic just hastened that time. I don't think all films will be released VOD, but with the success of the second Trolls movie, I think that more studios will be more comfortable doing so for certain films especially since theaters probably won't be open, and back to full capacity for sometime. It may just be cheaper to cut the theaters out especially since opening weekend is when studios get the most money from the theaters. Then on top of that AMC is having financial problems, and I can't imagine that they're the only big chain with them. So unfortunately we could see many theaters shuttered forever, and I could see studios Disney and probably Universal and WB too stepping in to open to buy the locations that have been closed, and opening up their own chains that way they can cut the middle person altogether. I do agree with JangoB that the Oscars will go back to the old rules next year, but for Netflix maybe this is just what they needed to finally win the big prize, which I think would be a huge win for them after only a few years of serious campaigning. Mostly though I just think it's a win for streaming services not just Netflix, and unfortunately another loss for theaters which I was already worried about surviving this crisis.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 29, 2020 13:18:20 GMT
By the way not only is this years rule change a win for Netflix imo - who is feasting right now with record new subscribers in 1Q 2020 while Hollywood theatrical movies are at their low point obviously (heck, the best film I've seen this year is an Israeli movie in Hebrew - Incitement for Godsakes) but Hollywood is coming off their low point LAST season before the pandemic. Irl life no one really gets that Parasite win - I love it, we love it but real people don't - it was the lowest rated Oscars ever - it's an insiders movie. At this moment Netflix's status and future has never been more in their favor in the way people think of Movies & TV as the same thing as opposed to them being distinct and separate. Screener phase-out is in their favor too actually and blurs the line even more..... Here's a scary article on their dominance below - whether it's even their own product or not - for those interested in the long-term - and I'm talking years not months - of the virus effect. I'd strongly suggest giving this a once over on the topic. Nielsen said Netflix had nine of the 10 most streamed shows, led by Spenser Confidential, a movie starring Mark Wahlberg. No. 2 was The Office, which has 192 episodes available on Netflix. Hunters on Amazon was the only non-Netflix show to crack the top 10.www.broadcastingcable.com/news/streaming-continues-to-grow-with-viewers-at-home-nielsen
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2020 13:34:20 GMT
Yeah I'm calling bullsh it on that.......the movie industry will never be the same after this and once you've opened the Pandora's Box there's no closing it. I mean they may do it - what's the difference in firing six more bullets into the carcass of your already long dead mule - but I'm sticking with Netflix "wins" because I like to believe in a logical world that only spins forward...... I think you both have strong points, but I think for the film studios this does seem like a major turning point. Many already set up their own streaming channels or were in the process of setting up their own streaming services (Disney+, Apple TV+, HBO Max, NBC's Peacock, CBS All Access), so eventually it was going to be the future, but I think that the pandemic just hastened that time. I don't think all films will be released VOD, but with the success of the second Trolls movie, I think that more studios will be more comfortable doing so for certain films especially since theaters probably won't be open, and back to full capacity for sometime. It may just be cheaper to cut the theaters out especially since opening weekend is when studios get the most money from the theaters. Then on top of that AMC is having financial problems, and I can't imagine that they're the only big chain with them. So unfortunately we could see many theaters shuttered forever, and I could see studios Disney and probably Universal and WB too stepping in to open to buy the locations that have been closed, and opening up their own chains that way they can cut the middle person altogether. I do agree with JangoB that the Oscars will go back to the old rules next year, but for Netflix maybe this is just what they needed to finally win the big prize, which I think would be a huge win for them after only a few years of serious campaigning. Mostly though I just think it's a win for streaming services not just Netflix, and unfortunately another loss for theaters which I was already worried about surviving this crisis. What's insane to me about the whole pandemic situation is just how stubborn some theatre chains are regarding the potential new policies by film studios. AMC has just announced that they will not be showing any Universal films in their theatres because Universal has plans to change their position regarding the releases of their films on VOD. This is batshit insane on AMC's side. They know they're suffering because of the pandemic, and yet they just flat out refuse to release films of one of the biggest studios because that studio simply thinks (with no concrete plans) that the theatrical and VOD releases can happen simultaneously or at least with a shorter window. So AMC feels threatened by this and their response is to flat out reject the money they'll undoubtedly get from Jurassic World 3, Fast and Furious 9 or Minions 2. It's just nuts. With this kind of thinking on theatre chains' part, their future demise is indeed inevitable.
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Post by morton on Apr 29, 2020 13:34:33 GMT
By the way not only is this years rule change a win for Netflix imo - who is feasting right now with record new subscribers in 1Q 2020 while Hollywood theatrical movies are at their low point obviously (heck, the best film I've seen this year is an Israeli movie in Hebrew - Incitement for Godsakes) but Hollywood is coming off their low point LAST season before the pandemic. Irl life no one really gets that Parasite win - I love it, we love it but real people don't - it was the lowest rated Oscars ever - it's an insiders movie. At this moment Netflix's status and future has never been more disparate in the way people think of Movies & TV as the same thing as opposed to them being distinct and separate. Screener phase-out is in their favor too actually and blurs the line even more..... Here's a scary article on their dominance below - whether it's even their own product or not - for those interested in the long-term - and I'm talking years not months - of the virus effect. I'd strongly suggest giving this a once over on the topic. Nielsen said Netflix had nine of the 10 most streamed shows, led by Spenser Confidential, a movie starring Mark Wahlberg. No. 2 was The Office, which has 192 episodes available on Netflix. Hunters on Amazon was the only non-Netflix show to crack the top 10.www.broadcastingcable.com/news/streaming-continues-to-grow-with-viewers-at-home-nielsenYes and no. I just think that in a YouTube/social media era people don't really have a lot of patience to watch long award shows anymore, and it finally caught up to the Oscars in a big way. There were big stars like Leo and Brad nominated, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and 1917 were the early favorites. Plus Phoenix was the predicted winner from Venice, and Joker tied with 3 other films for most nominations. I do think that for the average person that doesn't see much a year probably wanted something else besides Parasite to win, and wrote it off as Hollywood being too liberal again, but I just think that it's just the era we're in where award shows will mostly just keep shrinking and shrinking in viewers unless there's some kind of hook like big singer or big host to bring them in. I like not having a host, but I can see where sometimes it would be nice to have someone help guide things along. The first year I think the novelty of not having a host was a big thing, and that it worked pretty well during the telecast, but I guess by the second year, the novelty had worn off a lot because other award shows copied the gimmick. Plus, at least for me, I felt that things were pretty boring until the last part of the Oscars, and most people except diehard fans like us probably already turned it off by that point because the other award shows all had the same big winners. Then Parasite began its sweep which was exciting to me, but for people who don't like sweeps, I could see that also being a turn off. At least the year before, even though most of the acting winners won everywhere else, there was excitement in the Best Actress race, and awards were more spread out so that all the Best Picture nominees at least won something.
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Post by cheesecake on Apr 29, 2020 14:34:11 GMT
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 29, 2020 15:12:06 GMT
By the way not only is this years rule change a win for Netflix imo - who is feasting right now with record new subscribers in 1Q 2020 while Hollywood theatrical movies are at their low point obviously (heck, the best film I've seen this year is an Israeli movie in Hebrew - Incitement for Godsakes) but Hollywood is coming off their low point LAST season before the pandemic. Irl life no one really gets that Parasite win - I love it, we love it but real people don't - it was the lowest rated Oscars ever - it's an insiders movie. At this moment Netflix's status and future has never been more disparate in the way people think of Movies & TV as the same thing as opposed to them being distinct and separate. Screener phase-out is in their favor too actually and blurs the line even more..... Here's a scary article on their dominance below - whether it's even their own product or not - for those interested in the long-term - and I'm talking years not months - of the virus effect. I'd strongly suggest giving this a once over on the topic. Nielsen said Netflix had nine of the 10 most streamed shows, led by Spenser Confidential, a movie starring Mark Wahlberg. No. 2 was The Office, which has 192 episodes available on Netflix. Hunters on Amazon was the only non-Netflix show to crack the top 10.www.broadcastingcable.com/news/streaming-continues-to-grow-with-viewers-at-home-nielsenYes and no. I just think that in a YouTube/social media era people don't really have a lot of patience to watch long award shows anymore, and it finally caught up to the Oscars in a big way. There were big stars like Leo and Brad nominated, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and 1917 were the early favorites. Plus Phoenix was the predicted winner from Venice, and Joker tied with 3 other films for most nominations. I do think that for the average person that doesn't see much a year probably wanted something else besides Parasite to win, and wrote it off as Hollywood being too liberal again, but I just think that it's just the era we're in where award shows will mostly just keep shrinking and shrinking in viewers unless there's some kind of hook like big singer or big host to bring them in. I like not having a host, but I can see where sometimes it would be nice to have someone help guide things along. The first year I think the novelty of not having a host was a big thing, and that it worked pretty well during the telecast, but I guess by the second year, the novelty had worn off a lot because other award shows copied the gimmick. Plus, at least for me, I felt that things were pretty boring until the last part of the Oscars, and most people except diehard fans like us probably already turned it off by that point because the other award shows all had the same big winners. Then Parasite began its sweep which was exciting to me, but for people who don't like sweeps, I could see that also being a turn off. At least the year before, even though most of the acting winners won everywhere else, there was excitement in the Best Actress race, and awards were more spread out so that all the Best Picture nominees at least won something. This is all entirely apt, and well-described. If anything it feels like more and more inevitably, as time goes by, will probably see the Oscars broadcasted on Netflix live, given where regular TV vs. streaming is going in general. I don't 100% support the idea, although I don't have regular cable so I might appreciate it more, but for a lot of people that would probably be their preferred preference in general as far as actually watching the show goes. It would be a hella more convenient too.
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Post by quetee on Apr 29, 2020 20:36:07 GMT
I'm not sure how this is a win when all the other studios can just do the same thing. What advantage does this pose for Netflix? Nobody is making movies right now. The thing is the studios will not release the tentpole movies this year because they don't care about Oscars that much especially since most of them get shut out or get some sound awards. The studios will release movies via VOD that won't make a lot of money anyway.
Judging by the rules, the studios have to figure out what to do by Nov 1st... well, if this last until then... ho hum.
It's going to be interesting though to see how much money they charge per movie. If they were smart, the studios themselves would offer one rate to watch all the movies something similar to what Regal does during Oscar season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 13:51:52 GMT
I think they should expand the qualifying release requirement to even more cities tbh. Atlanta and Miami seem a little random to me - if we're only including six American cities, that is.
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Post by stephen on Apr 30, 2020 15:18:14 GMT
I think they should expand the qualifying release requirement to even more cities tbh. Atlanta and Miami seem a little random to me - if we're only including six American cities, that is. Atlanta makes sense: it's a major hub of film and television production. Miami's a bit of a stretch, but it's still got a sizable population and a lot of older Academy members probably wind up there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 17:38:42 GMT
I think they should expand the qualifying release requirement to even more cities tbh. Atlanta and Miami seem a little random to me - if we're only including six American cities, that is. Atlanta makes sense: it's a major hub of film and television production. Miami's a bit of a stretch, but it's still got a sizable population and a lot of older Academy members probably wind up there. I was speaking more about in terms of making these films more widely available to the general movie-going public, not just to Academy members.
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Post by quetee on Apr 30, 2020 19:25:23 GMT
Atlanta makes sense: it's a major hub of film and television production. Miami's a bit of a stretch, but it's still got a sizable population and a lot of older Academy members probably wind up there. I was speaking more about in terms of making these films more widely available to the general movie-going public, not just to Academy members. They expect us to pay $19.99.
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