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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 19, 2020 18:50:40 GMT
Portrait of a Lady on Fire is the highest-ranked film directed by a woman, at #38. ouch Hopefully there'll be a much larger sampling of female-directed films in the 2020s to choose from, but it is a shame Sciamma couldn't pick up some more traction with Girlhood and Tomboy, but then Portrait is the only one that made my ballot so I can't complain. I'm curious if anyone else voted for Mustang. Love the hell out of that film. A haunting depiction of culturally arrested girlhood.
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Post by themoviesinner on Apr 19, 2020 18:50:50 GMT
No Sion Sono on this list is criminal.
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Post by stephen on Apr 19, 2020 18:52:08 GMT
Not to defend it because it is a largely homogeneous assembly of movies, but I'm pretty sure if you went to just about every single forum that would vote on something on this scale, I daresay just about every single list will have a largely white and straight roster of movies. That's because the bulk of movies made feature that as a default. I mean, I didn't even say it was a bad list. But clearly some people here are taking something quite obvious personally. And the movies which are diverse that are included are far lower than they are on say, AwardsWatch's version. The IMDB forum lists were always were white/male/straight dominated, too. Well, when it's phrased as more of a personal jab framed as a "fact", how do you expect people to take it? Criticizing the list is criticizing the aggregate opinions of the collective group of people who voted on it. But ultimately, unless you can guarantee Person A saw just as many movies as Person B, and so on and so forth, you're always going to have lists that skew in a more populist direction because that's what most people will have seen. The rare occasions you don't see that are when people are actively trying to make a point to go against that grain.
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Post by Viced on Apr 19, 2020 18:53:12 GMT
me @ everyone that snubbed the masterpiece NEBRASKA:
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Post by Zeb31 on Apr 19, 2020 18:53:40 GMT
Aaaaand that's all for me. Once again: thank you so, so much to all 65 users who submitted ballots, to everyone who contributed such wonderful pieces of writing, and especially to cheesecake for putting together such a beautiful montage! (Reminder: if any of you who voted haven't voted in Viced 's performance poll yet -- which is a lot of you -- go do that!) This has been a lot of fun. I was expecting controversy -- since this is a list that represents everyone's taste, it also kinda represents no one's, since obviously no one is gonna be pleased with all of them. I'll try to field any questions ... when I get to them. In the meantime, to quote the legend who celebrates his 80th birthday this week: I'm taking a shower ... and I'm gonna sleep ... for a month. Au revoir! You're a legend for putting all this together, and so is cheesecake for making such a magnificent video. Thank you for the initiative, and for the spectacular presentation!
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Post by Martin Stett on Apr 19, 2020 18:55:05 GMT
So, for mop-up "did anyone else vote for them" questions...
Was I the only vote for Madoka Magica: Rebellion? Or did it manage to sneak into Moviesinner's ballot (unlikely)?
Let's see... Paterson. I'm surprised that it didn't make the list, not even in the honorable mentions. Also Princess Kaguya, which probably remains pretty underseen.
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Post by mattfincher on Apr 19, 2020 18:58:59 GMT
I mean, I didn't even say it was a bad list. But clearly some people here are taking something quite obvious personally. And the movies which are diverse that are included are far lower than they are on say, AwardsWatch's version. The IMDB forum lists were always were white/male/straight dominated, too. Well, when it's phrased as more of a personal jab framed as a "fact", how do you expect people to take it? Criticizing the list is criticizing the aggregate opinions of the collective group of people who voted on it. But ultimately, unless you can guarantee Person A saw just as many movies as Person B, and so on and so forth, you're always going to have lists that skew in a more populist direction because that's what most people will have seen. The rare occasions you don't see that are when people are actively trying to make a point to go against that grain. Or you know, people are just telling on themselves when they get angry about it.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 19, 2020 19:00:39 GMT
*Of the 100 films that made the list, only seven were directed by women. Greta Gerwig is the only female filmmaker to appear on the list twice. Portrait of a Lady on Fire is the highest-ranked film directed by a woman, at #38. Detroit and The Rider are waving hello from the outside. I didn't vote for them, but might've on a different day. Love them
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 19, 2020 19:02:39 GMT
Can we take a second to address how interesting it is that the top 2 films we chose came from the beginning of the decade and the end of it? The Social Network predicted the media-cluttered world that would define the whole decade and Parasite, released in the back-end of 2019, embodies in a lot of ways the kind of isolation and growing class tension we're currently experiencing. Isn't that wild? Y'all really picked maybe the two most definitive films of the decade.
full disclosure, TSN still wouldn't have made by ballot but I kinda love that it's our #1. Such an appropriate choice.
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Post by themoviesinner on Apr 19, 2020 19:02:46 GMT
Was I the only vote for Madoka Magica: Rebellion? Or did it manage to sneak into Moviesinner's ballot (unlikely)? I didn't vote for it, basically because I had already sent a ballot before watching it. Otherwise it would have made my list for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:03:30 GMT
No Sion Sono on this list is criminal. You said it man. Honestly though I'm shocked we got Mysteries of Lisbon so high. Even over stuff like Uncut Gems. So that's awesome
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 19, 2020 19:05:22 GMT
Won't comment since I didn't vote, but uh, y'all sure do like your films with old white dudes in 'em, huh? That's nothing ....... you should checkout our GOAT actors poll - insanely white and old........ a limp sausage-fest......... All these actors from the 50s/60s/70s with their disgusting appendages. Oh wait they actually are the best ........disregard.
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Post by mattfincher on Apr 19, 2020 19:08:15 GMT
Won't comment since I didn't vote, but uh, y'all sure do like your films with old white dudes in 'em, huh? That's nothing ....... you should checkout our GOAT actors poll - insanely white and old........ a limp sausage-fest......... All these actors from the 50s/60s/70s with their disgusting appendages. Oh wait they actually are the best ........disregard. Yeah, Sidney Poitier and Toshirô Mifune were real lightweights.
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Post by Zeb31 on Apr 19, 2020 19:10:09 GMT
Reading the comments was a bit rough though - the hell is up with all the negativity? Yeah I wasn't gonna say anything but I have to second this, it's not the most terribly exciting thing in the world to see so many passionate, highly eloquent write-ups honoring films that are obviously appreciated by so many board members followed by dozens of variations on "this is shit and y'all are dumb for disagreeing with me". Like, cool diss, thank you for the detailed input. It's a poll with 65 participants, not everyone will vote the same (and even if we did, the list would be dismissed as boring and predictable anyway). There are films that made the cut that I highly dislike, but who am I to moan that the ranking is not exactly how I'd have it when it's so awesome to see so much effort and passion going into celebrating cinema that resonates with others.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 19, 2020 19:10:10 GMT
Ones where I might have been the only vote-
Voyage of Time Exit Through the Gift Shop The Missing Picture Escape From Tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:11:02 GMT
It's a glaringly undiverse list. Not really a comment so much as a fact. Why didn't you contribute? As much as I'd love Sion Sono, Lav Diaz, Lisandro Alonso, Weerasethakul, etc. to populate this thing, their stuff isn't as widely seen/liked. No use crying about it. You're goofy for throwing in a random negative comment and not voting on this thing lol
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Post by mattfincher on Apr 19, 2020 19:11:51 GMT
It's a glaringly undiverse list. Not really a comment so much as a fact. Why didn't you contribute? As much as I'd love Sion Sono, Lav Diaz, Lisandro Alonso, Weerasethakul, etc. to populate this thing, their stuff isn't as widely seen/liked. No use crying about it. You're goofy for throwing in a random negative comment and not voting on this thing lol I didn't vote because I'm not that active on here anymore. I didn't even know this was happening. I'm not goofy. I can say whatever the fuck I want.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 19, 2020 19:22:15 GMT
Reading the comments was a bit rough though - the hell is up with all the negativity? Yeah I wasn't gonna say anything but I have to second this, it's not the most terribly exciting thing in the world to see so many passionate, highly eloquent write-ups honoring films that are obviously appreciated by so many board members followed by dozens of variations on "this is shit and y'all are dumb for disagreeing with me". Like, cool diss, thank you for the detailed input. It's a poll with 65 participants, not everyone will vote the same (and even if we did, the list would be dismissed as boring and predictable anyway). 100% People put so much work into these reviews and they all came from a place of genuine love, it's so impressive and should be valued regardless of how anyone feels about any one film. We're all here for the same reason. I get the impulse towards negativity but I wish this thread had been more celebratory.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 19, 2020 19:23:16 GMT
That's nothing ....... you should checkout our GOAT actors poll - insanely white and old........ a limp sausage-fest......... All these actors from the 50s/60s/70s with their disgusting appendages. Oh wait they actually are the best ........disregard. Yeah, Sidney Poitier and Toshirô Mifune were real lightweights. They were on the list - we're not animals after all matt.......heck we even had Jimmy Stewart in the top 10. We're cinema sophisticates dontchaknow
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 19, 2020 19:40:42 GMT
So this was a fairly great spread overall. I've seen the vast majority of the films, about 80 anyway, and only a handful of them are films I truly dislike, which isn't really too bad overall.
I think the 2010s were a great decade for film and this poll is representative of that. While I don't dig the winner as much as most here, I'm always up for a surprise result in these things, and I got one. I had The Social Network pegged for third place before this started and never imagined it would take the win, so that is sorta cool.
11 of my Top 25 made the cut, which is pretty good overall, but 7 of those 11 were from my Top 10, so that's really cool.
Gonna take some time out over the next week to read over the reviews, especially for the films I'm not a fan of, as those are often the most interesting to read positive takes on.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 19, 2020 19:43:47 GMT
Love, love, love the presentation here from top to bottom. Clearly a lot of thought put into this and it paid off like gangbusters. Especially appreciate all the write-up for the films since I tend to care more about why people like something more than what they like.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 19, 2020 19:46:02 GMT
So 2019 had 9 movies in the list. Maybe it wasn't that bad a movie year.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Apr 19, 2020 20:06:31 GMT
Finally caught up on the top 20 after having to step away for the bit. I’d like to echo the outstanding job DeepArcher did here. Bravo. Also pretty bummed that 2 of my top 5 (The American, The Skin I Live In) and another 3 of my top 10 (SLP, Ex Machina, Hell or High Water) missed out.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 19, 2020 20:18:59 GMT
So, yeah. The Social Network beat out Parasite by *six points* for the top spot. The first #1 film we had after the first ballot (stephen’s) was Drive. After the second ballot (countjohn’s) was submitted, The Master became the new #1. For the next 15 to 20 ballots, the #1 film went back-and-forth between The Master and Mad Max: Fury Road seemingly every other ballot I received, before Parasite eventually took the top spot by a narrow margin. The Social Network was a consistent #6 until we hit about 30 ballots and I started vote-begging -- after getting an influx of ballots from people I tagged, The Social Network got its six #1 placements and started to appear highly-ranked on nearly every ballot I received, and then surged ahead as the leading film. Parasite almost closed the gap in the end … but came up six points shy. I do think in general voters showed a bit more favoritism towards the earlier part of the decade than the later part, especially when it came to their highest placements -- it was ultimately the difference in those #1 votes that really made The Social Network hard to catch. I think if we did this in five to ten years from now, Parasite would take the win, but that’s just a hunch. In a way, though, it’s kinda appropriate that Parasite narrowly loses to the film about the billionaire who founded one of the largest corporations in the world. That’s the cinema of the 2010s for ya. Also, fun fact: if Billy_Costigan had forgotten to submit a ballot like he thought he did, Parasite would have won by one point. I'm deadly serious. Great insight, and you're probably right regarding the early-decade bias. It is true to me, at least, as I consciously tried not to put a lot of 2016-2019 movies in my ranking in fear of recency bias. And about TSN taking the #1 spot, it was no surprise to me. I always knew it would be either this or The Master, and I'm very happy with how both of them placed. Congrats for the effort and for the great event! It was so good to have this many people reunited in one thread to discuss this decade in movies we love.
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Post by wonky on Apr 19, 2020 20:22:44 GMT
Reading the comments was a bit rough though - the hell is up with all the negativity? Generally speaking with these presentation things, I'm just consistently surprised people have the energy to hate SO MANY MOVIES sometimes it's hard to figure out if it's just the placement that's annoying everyone (I know there's the best of the decade-ness of it all) but it's always a little weird when peeps start handing out 3/10 level reviews and comments so freely for like, some pretty well made and/or innocuous movies lol Usually with these lists I'm not noticing much of anything that I give less than like a 7. Occasionally the random 5 or less, usually down to personal hangups....we all watch movies in our own way, I guess, but man the reason I'm such a movie fanatic is that I usually like something in just about everything I see. I'm enough of a cinephile that I've seen all but about a dozen of these films and even the ones I'm least crazy about I'd hardly dismiss...but I get that hate-watching is a thing and all...
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