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Post by madmonsterparty on Mar 27, 2020 23:36:57 GMT
Ok, let’s have some fun!
who do you think would have been The Best Picture winner if Titanic hadn’t been released that year?
Thanks in advance for any comments or opinions!!
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 28, 2020 0:01:14 GMT
It's Good Will Hunting vs. L.A. Confidential all the way, and I'm honestly not sure which one would take it. Each one got 9 nominations, an acting and writing win, and had strong studio support. L.A. Confidential was the critical favorite, while Good Will Hunting was more of a crowd-pleasing hit. I'm going to lean ever so slightly towards L.A. Confidential given just how much it steamrolled the critics circle and the L.A. connection.
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Post by morton on Mar 28, 2020 0:07:48 GMT
I think that Good Will Hunting probably would have won because it had Harvey, and the narrative of the two hot new stars in Matt and Ben. I guess it could have been L.A. Confidential since that had the critics backing, but at least from what I remember, it didn't really have a narrative other than being the critics favorite. Maybe that would have been enough since it did win all top 3 critics' groups plus NBR, but I still think voters wouldn't be able to resist Harvey's razzle dazzle at that time. Good Will Hunting had the feel good story plus two hot stars that wrote the screenplay themselves, and I can only imagine the hit pieces Weinstein would have done to L.A. Confidential. "Why should a second rate Chinatown win Best Picture?" "Russell Crowe will never be as famous as Matt Damon." Stuff like that behind the scenes. As for what would have taken Titanic's place in Best Picture, I know Atom Egoyan got a Best Director nomination, but I think Boogie Nights would have got in based on having more support from actors, and The Sweet Hereafter probably not having enough support overall to get in. Although maybe Amistad would have done better if Titanic hadn't been in the race, or maybe Miramax would have thrown more support behind Jackie Brown too if there was no Titanic.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 28, 2020 1:53:26 GMT
My heart says LA Confidential but my head says Good Will Hunting.
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Post by dadsburgers on Mar 28, 2020 2:13:42 GMT
It definitely wouldn't be Full Monty, but otherwise a tough call...
Good Will Hunting has Screenplay and Supporting Actor. As Good As It Gets had Actor AND Actress-- don't underestimate it LA Confidential had Screenplay and Supporting Actress.
On paper, three very strong contenders. I'll throw Boogie Nights in for consideration to, imagining an alternate reality it scooped up lots of extra nominations in Titanic's stead.
Best Director-- Curtis Hanson would be runner-up, but its the 90s so they wouldn't split if they gave BP to something else. Brooks doesn't have a nomination here, but either he or Anderson would be sans Cameron.
Best Leads-- As Good As It Gets sweeps it up. Good Will Hunting has Matt Damon, but no comparison.
Supporting-- Robin Williams is a bigger win than Kim Basinger. It also has Minnie Driver going for it. As Good As It Gets has Kinnear, but Boogie Nights probably has the best ensemble.
Screenplay-- Good Will Hunting is a bigger win than LA Confidential to me (and to pop culture). As Good As It Gets (and Boogie Nights again) are very strong nominees though.
Editing-- LA Confidential was most likely to be runner up, but Good Will Hunting and As Good As It Gets all nominated. Boogie Nights could have been.
Techs-- LA Confidential is the biggest tech player by far: nominations for Sound, Art Direction, Cinematography.
That gives LA Confidential everything tech-based, but that doesn't always mean everything.
I think they'd give Picture and Director to Good Will Hunting.
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Post by mattfincher on Mar 28, 2020 2:23:11 GMT
Toss-up between LA Confidential and Good Will Hunting. Both would have been atypical winners, but Good Will Hunting would have been the most modest drama to win since probably Ordinary People. LA Confidential's ambition and scope fits the winner mold a bit better and the GWH narrative was almost entirely around Matt, Ben, and Robin, all of which they rewarded anyways.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 28, 2020 12:09:11 GMT
I don't know The Full Monty was probably in the race to some degree since it won SAG ensemble, but granted that meant less then.
It probably was Good Will Hunting, based largely on the "Weinstein effect", which fully took hold the following year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 12:18:33 GMT
Good Will Hunting wins BP, LA Confidential wins BD, other techs would've gone to LA Confidential between the two (+others) except maybe Editing and that too I'm not sure.
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Post by stephen on Mar 28, 2020 14:10:31 GMT
I'm inclined to think Good Will Hunting wins Best Picture, Hanson wins Best Director.
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 28, 2020 14:56:13 GMT
Good Will Hunting or L.A. Confidential but I believe it would have been the former.
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Post by morton on Mar 28, 2020 15:20:24 GMT
I don't know The Full Monty was probably in the race to some degree since it won SAG ensemble, but granted that meant less then. It probably was Good Will Hunting, based largely on the "Weinstein effect", which fully took hold the following year. I thought about that because it did end up winning BAFTA too, but I still don't think it would have had enough support to win Best Picture with both Good Will Hunting and L.A. Confidential being American productions, and L.A. Confidential possibly getting traction for as mikediastavrone96 mentioned for shooting in L.A. and having the L.A. connection. Then of course GWH would still have the same narrative of two young stars writing their own film and becoming successes. Plus you're right back then SAG was even more wonky than it has been in the past couple of years, minus this year where it did show how strong Parasite was, and The Birdcage had just won the year before, so while I think it did show there was support and love for The Full Monty, it wouldn't necessarily translate to Best Picture. It would have had the same underdog narrative so that would have been the same, but I think without a big film like Titanic, it might not even have been as effective because I know one of the stories that year was how The Full Monty managed to make so much money as opposed to something like Titanic which obviously made tons of money too, but also cost so much money to make that many were worried it was going to bomb. Fox Searchlight wasn't the awards powerhouse that they are today, so that makes a big difference too. Or if Harvey was the one behind The Full Monty, I could believe that he'd convince enough voters somehow that it should win, so in the end I think it winds up with the same nominations and same wins.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2020 21:07:30 GMT
It’s hard to say given that they had equal nominations and wins. I think Good Will Hunting has the advantage, given that it’s more of a crowd-pleaser that appeals to the academy, although I could see L.A. Confidential winning director in a split-vote, just because of how admired it was.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 29, 2020 1:07:26 GMT
I don't know The Full Monty was probably in the race to some degree since it won SAG ensemble, but granted that meant less then. It probably was Good Will Hunting, based largely on the "Weinstein effect", which fully took hold the following year. I thought about that because it did end up winning BAFTA too, but I still don't think it would have had enough support to win Best Picture with both Good Will Hunting and L.A. Confidential being American productions, and L.A. Confidential possibly getting traction for as mikediastavrone96 mentioned for shooting in L.A. and having the L.A. connection. Then of course GWH would still have the same narrative of two young stars writing their own film and becoming successes. Plus you're right back then SAG was even more wonky than it has been in the past couple of years, minus this year where it did show how strong Parasite was, and The Birdcage had just won the year before, so while I think it did show there was support and love for The Full Monty, it wouldn't necessarily translate to Best Picture. It would have had the same underdog narrative so that would have been the same, but I think without a big film like Titanic, it might not even have been as effective because I know one of the stories that year was how The Full Monty managed to make so much money as opposed to something like Titanic which obviously made tons of money too, but also cost so much money to make that many were worried it was going to bomb. Fox Searchlight wasn't the awards powerhouse that they are today, so that makes a big difference too. Or if Harvey was the one behind The Full Monty, I could believe that he'd convince enough voters somehow that it should win, so in the end I think it winds up with the same nominations and same wins. The Full Monty nomination feels like the obligatory across the pond nomination that the academy seemed to love rewarding every year back in the day (think Four Weddings, and The Ivory / Merchant films). It never stood a chance of winning, if anything its reward was its nomination (it certainly helped its box office in NA too, although it didn't do too bad before the big nomination). It also had a huge effect, being the film that basically broke Fox Searchlight into the echelon of highest award consideration ranking. The interesting thing about precursors in general, is that SAG and other award circuits back then felt like they were sometimes less concerned with awarding with what they think would win (although they still do that, now and again), but instead going for random out of left field choices like The Birdcage winning or Get Shorty getting a nomination the prior year. I really miss when award shows like that were more creative.
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Post by mattfincher on Mar 29, 2020 1:44:14 GMT
The Full Monty winning Ensemble against Titanic, Boogie Nights, LA Confidential, and Good Will Hunting is batshit insane. That would never happen today. And BAFTA had way more affinity for awarding hometown talent back in the day, so I don't think it means much. So I still think it was 5th in this category, but an atypically strong 5th.
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Post by DanQuixote on Mar 30, 2020 11:47:50 GMT
Good Will Hunting wins Best Picture but Curtis Hanson takes Director.
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