Drish
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Post by Drish on Mar 7, 2020 9:18:35 GMT
I can only come up with Ugly (2013) (and if we count TV then Succession). Watch it guys! You'll lose all hopes in humanity if you haven't already.
What are some other movies you can think of?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Mar 7, 2020 9:57:32 GMT
CLOSER (2004) SHALLOW GRAVE (1994) AMERICAN HUSTLE (2013)
Came to my mind.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 7, 2020 10:40:09 GMT
Secret Honor..........Sleuth........
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 7, 2020 10:51:27 GMT
American Beauty and basically the entire universe of Tarantino.
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Post by themoviesinner on Mar 7, 2020 11:23:54 GMT
The Devil (1972) - I think few films have portrayed the evil that humanity is capable of as distressingly and unflinchingly as this one does.
Dangerous Encounters Of The Third Kind (1980)
Ichi The Killer (2001)
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Post by jakesully on Mar 7, 2020 11:44:14 GMT
The Rules of Attraction (2002). One of my all time fav dark comedies btw.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Mar 7, 2020 13:19:31 GMT
The Rules of Attraction (2002). One of my all time fav dark comedies btw. Underrated little gem of a film
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 7, 2020 15:13:17 GMT
The H8teful Eight.
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 7, 2020 16:35:11 GMT
Some off the top of my head:
Every PTA movie Every Kubrick movie Parasite The Royal Tenenbaums The Wolf of Wall Street* The noir genre in general??
*I was inclined to say every Scorsese movie as well, but he normally has some sort of moral center present that proves to be the exception. But I think you could argue that Goodfellas belongs here, probably Casino (just haven't seen it in awhile so I don't quite remember), The Irishman probably as well, The King of Comedy most certainly...
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Post by stephen on Mar 7, 2020 16:42:35 GMT
Glengarry Glen Ross.
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Post by jimmalone on Mar 7, 2020 17:55:01 GMT
Some off the top of my head: Every PTA movie Every Kubrick movie Well there are Jim Kurring in Magnolia and Colonel Dax in Paths of Glory respectively, who despite having flaws hardly fit this description, not to mention Spartacus.
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 7, 2020 18:03:08 GMT
Some off the top of my head: Every PTA movie Every Kubrick movie Well there are Jim Kurring in Magnolia and Colonel Dax in Paths of Glory respectively, who despite having flaws hardly fit this description, not to mention Spartacus. Well, yeah, sure. Obviously I was using “every” a bit loosely. But I think it’s true for Kubrick from Lolita onward (which is when he was really making his own films anyway), other than maybe 2001 where the point is that there are no “characters” or Wendy and Danny in The Shining I guess but they are just victims of the asshole so that’s kinda murky territory. And Magnolia’s really the only PTA exception ... Jim, Phil, Stanley, arguably Claudia, and hell even Donnie are all not assholes. But outside of that movie ... yeahhh, really no other exceptions. PTA loves making movies about assholes, and that’s great because that’s what I love watching.
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Post by jimmalone on Mar 7, 2020 18:07:16 GMT
Well there are Jim Kurring in Magnolia and Colonel Dax in Paths of Glory respectively, who despite having flaws hardly fit this description, not to mention Spartacus. Well, yeah, sure. Obviously I was using “every” a bit loosely. But I think it’s true for Kubrick from Lolita onward (which is when he was really making his own films anyway), other than maybe 2001 where the point is that there are no “characters” or Wendy and Danny in The Shining I guess but they are just victims of the asshole so that’s kinda murky territory. And Magnolia’s really the only PTA exception ... Jim, Phil, Stanley, arguably Claudia, and hell even Donnie are all not assholes. But outside of that movie ... yeahhh, really no other exceptions. PTA loves making movies about assholes, and that’s great because that’s what I love watching. Yeah, know it was meant generally, just wanted to point this out.
That's indeed one of PTA's major weaknesses. Cause I totally don't care about assholes and one of the reasons that Magnolia (beside that it's technically by far his best thing) is the only great film he has ever done.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 7, 2020 18:18:18 GMT
Ugly, Dirty and Bad (1976)
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 7, 2020 18:20:13 GMT
If you watch the film as intended, Up.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 7, 2020 18:24:57 GMT
I was thinking that as well. They are all kind of selfish, venal pricks.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 7, 2020 18:41:18 GMT
Well there are Jim Kurring in Magnolia and Colonel Dax in Paths of Glory respectively, who despite having flaws hardly fit this description, not to mention Spartacus. Well, yeah, sure. Obviously I was using “every” a bit loosely. But I think it’s true for Kubrick from Lolita onward (which is when he was really making his own films anyway), other than maybe 2001 where the point is that there are no “characters” or Wendy and Danny in The Shining I guess but they are just victims of the asshole so that’s kinda murky territory. And Magnolia’s really the only PTA exception ... Jim, Phil, Stanley, arguably Claudia, and hell even Donnie are all not assholes. But outside of that movie ... yeahhh, really no other exceptions. PTA loves making movies about assholes, and that’s great because that’s what I love watching. I still think that's an oversimplification with Kubrick. Some of it might depend on what you mean by "asshole", just someone who is superficially a "jerk" or someone who is actually a "bad person" morally. I don't think most of the FMJ guys are bad people for instance outside of Animal Mother, Hartman, and some of the brass you see in the early Vietnam scenes. They're just stuck in Vietnam. Lolita, Mandrake and the President (he's an idiot but not at all malicious) in Strangelove, and a number of Barry Lyndon supporting characters aren't bad people either. Then like you said pretty much no one in The Shining outside of Jack. The above distinction is relevant with Phantom Thread for PTA too. Woodcock has an unpleasant personality but he doesn't actually do anything that's really all that bad. Don't really think this applies at all to Alma either, the omelette thing is just a game they play, she wasn't really trying to kill him or anything.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 7, 2020 18:42:25 GMT
I don't think there's a single good character in The Graduate for a classic and one of my favorites that has not been mentioned yet.
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 7, 2020 21:13:06 GMT
Well, yeah, sure. Obviously I was using “every” a bit loosely. But I think it’s true for Kubrick from Lolita onward (which is when he was really making his own films anyway), other than maybe 2001 where the point is that there are no “characters” or Wendy and Danny in The Shining I guess but they are just victims of the asshole so that’s kinda murky territory. And Magnolia’s really the only PTA exception ... Jim, Phil, Stanley, arguably Claudia, and hell even Donnie are all not assholes. But outside of that movie ... yeahhh, really no other exceptions. PTA loves making movies about assholes, and that’s great because that’s what I love watching. I still think that's an oversimplification with Kubrick. Some of it might depend on what you mean by "asshole", just someone who is superficially a "jerk" or someone who is actually a "bad person" morally. I don't think most of the FMJ guys are bad people for instance outside of Animal Mother, Hartman, and some of the brass you see in the early Vietnam scenes. They're just stuck in Vietnam. Lolita, Mandrake and the President (he's an idiot but not at all malicious) in Strangelove, and a number of Barry Lyndon supporting characters aren't bad people either. Then like you said pretty much no one in The Shining outside of Jack. The above distinction is relevant with Phantom Thread for PTA too. Woodcock has an unpleasant personality but he doesn't actually do anything that's really all that bad. Don't really think this applies at all to Alma either, the omelette thing is just a game they play, she wasn't really trying to kill him or anything. Well if we're really getting into this... It might be reflective of a personally cynical outlook on humanity or something but I was definitely going by that former broader definition of "asshole" -- i.e. someone who is selfish, generally mean/rude in their demeanor, etc. For me, being an "asshole" =/= maliciousness or being "evil," those are two drastically different labels.* In the case of Full Metal Jacket ... I mean, to me those guys all have really off-putting personalities, even if the point is that the ruthlessness of the system forces them into being that type of bitter person, it still applies. So, yeah, I guess it's naturally a matter of perspective, but that said I don't really understand how someone can see Reynolds Woodcock as being not an asshole?? With Alma it's a little trickier, the interesting thing about the character is that I've talked to so many people about her who read the character drastically different -- some see her as a hero, some have literally said she's an "asshole," and it's not even as simple as a gender difference thing either where women have the former view and men the latter, it might account for some discrepancy but I think it's far more inconsistent than that. To me, I don't think I'd describe her as an "asshole." But I think she can be an asshole, and that's part of the strength of the character. *Though I guess the thread might be asking more for examples where all the characters are malicious/evil in some way, as one of the examples Drish mentioned in the OP was Succession where all the characters are just ruthless and evil rather than your run-of-the-mill asshole types.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Mar 7, 2020 21:32:17 GMT
Revolutionary Road.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 7, 2020 21:35:35 GMT
So, yeah, I guess it's naturally a matter of perspective, but that said I don't really understand how someone can see Reynolds Woodcock as being not an asshole?? With Alma it's a little trickier, the interesting thing about the character is that I've talked to so many people about her who read the character drastically different -- some see her as a hero, some have literally said she's an "asshole," and it's not even as simple as a gender difference thing either where women have the former view and men the latter, it might account for some discrepancy but I think it's far more inconsistent than that. To me, I don't think I'd describe her as an "asshole." But I think she can be an asshole, and that's part of the strength of the character. Yes Alma is an interesting character and there was a lot of debate about her online after the movie came out (although I did observe somewhat of a gender divide). From a certain angle I can see it, the omelette thing does technically constitute assault/abuse. But it's sort of a "movie rules" situation. Deep down Alma the character knows that that's what Reynolds wants so she can take care of him. You obviously can't "know" something like that in real life, but she's a character in a movie so she knows what the filmmaker wants her to know. I was a bit taken aback by it on the first viewing but on rewatches I just found it sweet (that might somewhat resemble Reynolds' reaction in the movie! )
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 7, 2020 21:41:33 GMT
So, yeah, I guess it's naturally a matter of perspective, but that said I don't really understand how someone can see Reynolds Woodcock as being not an asshole?? With Alma it's a little trickier, the interesting thing about the character is that I've talked to so many people about her who read the character drastically different -- some see her as a hero, some have literally said she's an "asshole," and it's not even as simple as a gender difference thing either where women have the former view and men the latter, it might account for some discrepancy but I think it's far more inconsistent than that. To me, I don't think I'd describe her as an "asshole." But I think she can be an asshole, and that's part of the strength of the character. Yes Alma is an interesting character and there was a lot of debate about her online after the movie came out (although I did observe somewhat of a gender divide). From a certain angle I can see it, the omelette thing does technically constitute assault/abuse. But it's sort of a "movie rules" situation. Deep down Alma the character knows that that's what Reynolds wants so she can take care of him. You obviously can't "know" something like that in real life, but she's a character in a movie so she knows what the filmmaker wants her to know. I was a bit taken aback by it on the first viewing but on rewatches I just found it sweet (that might somewhat resemble Reynolds' reaction in the movie! ) I agree, and I think the "proper" way that the film/character is meant to be read is that Alma's act is deliberately one of nourishment. It was never malicious to her, she always knew what she was doing and that it was for Reynolds's benefit, not his punishment. That said, Alma also constantly shows that she can be bitter and stubborn in her demeanor, she's constantly rude to others especially as the film goes along, and you could make the argument she acts like an "asshole" -- though, as I said, to me this is the strength of the character. The character is not written in a way to conform to some sense of the idealized/morally righteous woman, or however you wanna put it. She often acts in a way that only a man can "get away with" without being judged and we as an audience love her for it.
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Mar 8, 2020 23:39:34 GMT
Pretty much everyone in any Todd Solondz film.
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Post by Nikan on Mar 10, 2020 18:01:59 GMT
Don't forget the poor Cameron!
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Mar 10, 2020 18:04:23 GMT
Don't forget the poor Cameron! Actually, Cameron wasn't that bad. And he did the right thing beating the crap of Ewan Mcgregor's character in the toilets. The guy was a total dick!
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