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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 3, 2020 10:35:38 GMT
Wasn't sure if this needed its own thread or where exactly to put it ..........but I assume this is going to be a bigger deal than just another book and I had no idea this was coming. Publisher describes the book as “a comprehensive account of his life, both personal and professional, and describes his work in films, theater, television, nightclubs, and print. Allen also writes of his relationships with family, friends, and the loves of his life.”
deadline.com/2020/03/woody-allen-autobiography-grand-central-publishing-apropos-of-nothing-1202872509/
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Post by JangoB on Mar 3, 2020 11:00:42 GMT
Truly cannot wait. I'm glad there's a publisher, I'm glad it's gonna be out there in the world.
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 3, 2020 12:16:04 GMT
Very curious of the content.
Most of these books are translated in Greek so I guess I'll wait till I can read it in my language.
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Post by LaraQ on Mar 3, 2020 12:19:38 GMT
I mean,the guy has a right to put across his side of the story.He's been fairly tight lipped over the years and I'm fascinated to see what he has to say about Dylan Farrow's accusations.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 3, 2020 15:48:50 GMT
This is going to be... interesting. Looking forward to what his sonbrother-in-law Ronan will have to say about it, but sure Woody is entitled to his side of the story.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 3, 2020 21:22:15 GMT
Dylan replies - Hachette’s publishing of Woody Allen’s memoir is deeply unsettling to me personally and an utter betrayal of my brother whose brave reporting, capitalized on by Hachette, gave voice to numerous survivors of sexual assault by powerful men,” Farrow’s statement reads. “For the record, I was never contacted by any fact checkers to verify the information in this memoir, demonstrating an egregious abdication of Hachette’s most basic responsibility. On the other hand, my story has undergone endless scrutiny and has never been published without extensive fact checking. This provides yet another example of the profound privilege that power, money, and notoriety affords. Hachette’s complicity in this should be called out for what it is and they should have to answer for it.” www.indiewire.com/2020/03/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-memoir-unsettling-betrayal-1202214936/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 21:28:43 GMT
Dylan replies - Hachette’s publishing of Woody Allen’s memoir is deeply unsettling to me personally and an utter betrayal of my brother whose brave reporting, capitalized on by Hachette, gave voice to numerous survivors of sexual assault by powerful men,” Farrow’s statement reads. “For the record, I was never contacted by any fact checkers to verify the information in this memoir, demonstrating an egregious abdication of Hachette’s most basic responsibility. On the other hand, my story has undergone endless scrutiny and has never been published without extensive fact checking. This provides yet another example of the profound privilege that power, money, and notoriety affords. Hachette’s complicity in this should be called out for what it is and they should have to answer for it.” www.indiewire.com/2020/03/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-memoir-unsettling-betrayal-1202214936/
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Mar 4, 2020 0:23:40 GMT
Dylan replies - Hachette’s publishing of Woody Allen’s memoir is deeply unsettling to me personally and an utter betrayal of my brother whose brave reporting, capitalized on by Hachette, gave voice to numerous survivors of sexual assault by powerful men,” Farrow’s statement reads. “For the record, I was never contacted by any fact checkers to verify the information in this memoir, demonstrating an egregious abdication of Hachette’s most basic responsibility. On the other hand, my story has undergone endless scrutiny and has never been published without extensive fact checking. This provides yet another example of the profound privilege that power, money, and notoriety affords. Hachette’s complicity in this should be called out for what it is and they should have to answer for it.” www.indiewire.com/2020/03/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-memoir-unsettling-betrayal-1202214936/Waaah, waaah, WAAAH!! 👎👎👎
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Post by quetee on Mar 4, 2020 1:51:07 GMT
Since when do you fact check a memoir?
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Post by erickeitel on Mar 4, 2020 2:55:30 GMT
This isn’t going to improve his reputation, even if it hints towards innocence or not. But that’s clearly not a concern of his, so what can you do.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 4, 2020 3:39:10 GMT
I won't be surprised if the publishers balks when hit with the inevitable massive online shitstorm headed by Frank Sinatra's son.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 3:46:04 GMT
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here actually believe that Allen molested Dylan?
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Mar 4, 2020 4:16:37 GMT
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here actually believe that Allen molested Dylan? Yes, the usual idiots.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 4, 2020 4:58:45 GMT
This is obviously going to be pretty nuclear when it comes out.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 4, 2020 6:34:44 GMT
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here actually believe that Allen molested Dylan? I don't know that he molested her but there's a lot of smoke here, and clearly Dylan and Mia's testimony (corroborated by three adult eyewitnesses) combined with the nonadmission of the Yale Hospital panel's report (which was extremely fishy and whose notes were conspicuously destroyed) were enough for a judge to qualify Allen's behavior as grossly inappropriate and rule against him in the custody battle. Dylan's story has remained consistent through the years while Allen's was initially deemed unreliable by police. He lost several court battles on this issue, and every tactic he's employed is consistent with those employed by powerful men in these situations to silence accusers or assault their characters. Even if what Allen has maintained is true, that Dylan is bald-facedly lying, that Mia has secretly been a raving monster who's brainwashed her children (Ronan hardly seems brainwashed to me), it's a correlation worth considering. Allen ran a scorched-earth PR campaign against Mia and her children. I know that the New York Department of Social Services investigation came out in Allen's favor, but as far as I'm aware that the only credible evidence in favor of his version of events let alone his innocence. There's so much evidence implying at least that he's a grade-A creep. Whether he molested Dylan, I don't know. I have no idea how the NYDSS came to their conclusion, but these things aren't mutually exclusive. He can be a grade-A creep without being guilty of molestation. Either way I don't think we'll ever know for sure, but I do tend to be leery of those who believe 100% in his innocence. One apparently credible investigatory report doesn't totally invalidate all the other evidence (eyewitness accounts) especially in lieu of knowing how those conclusions were reached. Sexual crimes are notoriously hard to prove and are erroneously deemed unfounded all the time. And again, given how poorly the Yale Hospital investigation was handled, personally I need to know more about the NYDSS investigation before taking it as gospel truth. What bothers me is when people act like the first Yale Hospital investigation or the polygraph results indicate innocence when they categorically don't indicate anything but shadyness on Allen's part.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 4, 2020 6:41:47 GMT
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Post by Good God on Mar 4, 2020 6:51:25 GMT
I don't know that he molested her but there's a lot of smoke here On the contrary, there is very little smoke here. There has literally been one and only one accusation of Woody Allen being a pedophile, and it came from his ex-girlfriend that was absolutely livid that he was sexually involved with her daughter. And it's also weird that he could have easily molested her, without suspicion, many times before when everything was jolly in the household but chose to molest her during an acrimonious split in a house full of people that were upset and suspicious of him. That's not your typical pedophile's modus operandi. There is Moses Farrow's letter... He was 14 years old at the time of the event, so it would have been a heck of a lot harder to brainwash him.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 4, 2020 6:57:22 GMT
I don't know that he molested her but there's a lot of smoke here On the contrary, there is very little smoke here. There has literally been one and only one accusation of Woody Allen being a pedophile, and it came from his ex-girlfriend that was absolutely livid that he was sexually involved with her daughter. Yes, one accusation...corroborated by multiple witnesses on that day. Mia Farrow wasn't the only person describing Allen's behavior towards Dyan as inappropriate. That allegation was substantiated by numerous other sources close to the family including babysitters (and some of those people testified) and held up in court, thus the custody decision. I'm less concerned with the evidence of Allen's guilt on the molestation charge because I don't see much of that and don't want to die on that hill, but there is evidence suggesting that he exhibited a pattern of inappropriate behavior towards Dylan. And are we really not taking the Moses Farrow letter with any grains of salt? This isn't a case of he said/she said, it's a case of he said/they said. His story contradicts the sworn testimony of multiple individuals.
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Post by Good God on Mar 4, 2020 7:01:01 GMT
Yes, one accusation...corroborated by multiple witnesses on that day. Multiple coached and coerced witnesses, you mean. With the worst thing they claim to have seen being Allen having his head on Dylan's lap. I don't see you taking what Dylan or any of the other "witnesses" said with any grains of salt. You don't even mention Monica Thompson's deposition.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 4, 2020 7:06:54 GMT
Yes, one accusation...corroborated by multiple witnesses on that day. Multiple coached and coerced witnesses, you mean. I don't see you taking what Dylan or any of the other "witnesses" said with any grains of salt. Now see, this is where a bias is starting to peer through. First, these were all adult witnesses. If Moses wouldn't have been susceptible to "brainwashing," than these witnesses would have been even less so. I didn't suggest Moses was brainwashed, only that the evidence on record doesn't support his statement. You, apropos of nothing (hmm) inferred that the adult witnesses were coached and coerced. How does that track? It's this bending over backwards that I don't understand. If Allen's case was unimpeachable, he probably wouldn't have lost several court battles on the grounds of his parenting or his claims re: Mia's behavior. By the way, a judge ruled that there was no evidence that Dylan was coached so there's that.
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Post by Good God on Mar 4, 2020 7:14:27 GMT
Now see, this is where a bias is starting to peer through. Yes... yours. True. According to Monica Thompson, who you conveniently don't mention, Farrow made attempts to pressure her into supporting her side of the story. In fact, she even said, "Moses came over to me and said that he believes that Ms. Farrow had made up the accusation that was being said by Dylan." Funny how Moses's words are a "statement" while the babysitters's words are "evidence". Could this be bias? They track going by what Moses and Monica have said. Given the accusation and the circumstances, and considering Allen is a male and Farrow is a female, there was no way he was ever winning any court battles. Considering Allen wasn't convicted, I guess it also follows that there was no evidence that Allen ever molested Dylan, going by your reasoning? There is a difference between evidence and proof.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 4, 2020 7:54:58 GMT
Considering Allen wasn't convicted, I guess it also follows that there was no evidence that Allen ever molested Dylan, going by your reasoning? There is a difference between evidence and proof. I'm not saying he's categorically guilty of molestation, I'm saying he's guilty of being a creep. I think he certainly might've molested Dylan but you seem to be saying he's categorically innocent of both which to me is baffling. Monica Thompson's testimony... yeah, it's certainly worth taking into consideration. I'm no legal expert and her version of events seems to be compelling but its a version of events outnumbered by the other testimonies (all of which were consistent) of two different babysitters (one of whom wasn't in the family's employ) and a French tutor. I'm not going to say she's lying and that Allen is guilty, but I'd hope you also wouldn't just casually throw out the testimony that contradicts and outnumbers hers. The actual truth of what happened appears to remain nebulous. And of course, Thompson's suggestion that she had been pressured by Mia to support Dylan's allegation parallels Ronan Farrow's allegation that Allen promised him and his siblings financial support (including college) to discredit their mother. I can't assume Thompson is lying but there's certainly been pressure coming from both sides and apparently more from Allen in years following the investigations and dropped charges. And as for Moses's testimony, again... I don't see why it's preferable to Dylan's or the adults that were present or Ronan's (who flatly contradicts the allegations of abuse on Mia's part). It's amazing to me that he came out with that op-ed and everyone was so ready to believe everything he said as if he's the only person in this case who's made a statement. It reeks of desperation. Again, maybe there wasn't a molestation that day. I don't know, and obviously it's possible (maybe likely) that the prosecutors dropped the charges because the thought they couldn't prove it and not just because Dylan was too fragile. I don't know. What I do know is that multiple individuals testified that Allen's behavior was inappropriate (and this was apart from the molestation charge), that he was in therapy with a child psychologist for those exact reasons, that that allegation held up in court, that the the Appellate Division of the state Supreme Court cited a “clear consensus” among psychiatric experts that Allen’s “interest in Dylan was abnormally intense,” and that he groomed and had an affair with his partner's adopted daughter and was in possession of nude underage photos of her which he had taken. Enough to prove a molestation charge? No. Enough to prove he was a creep? Abso-fuckin-lutely.
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Post by Good God on Mar 4, 2020 7:57:11 GMT
As usual, there is a lot of cherry-picking of points going on here, so I'll just post some:
1. Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of Yale-New Haven Hospital: "It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen."
2. New York Department of Social Services: "No credible evidence was found that the child named in this report has been abused or maltreated."
3. Monica Thompson (according to her affidavit from 1993): "Moses came over to me and said that he believes that Ms. Farrow had made up the accusation that was being said by Dylan."
4. Moses Farrow: "It specifically concluded that “Dylan was not abused by Mr. Allen,” that her statements had a “rehearsed quality” and that they were “likely coached or influenced by her mother.” Those conclusions perfectly match my own childhood experience: coaching, influencing, and rehearsing are three words that sum up exactly how my mother tried to raise us. I know that Dylan has recently referred to this brainwashing theory as “spin” by our father – but it was nothing of the sort. It was not only the conclusion reached by a state-ordered investigation, it was the reality of life in our household."
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Post by Good God on Mar 4, 2020 8:14:09 GMT
I'm not saying he's categorically guilty of molestation, I'm saying he's guilty of being a creep. I think he certainly might've molested Dylan but you seem to be saying he's categorically innocent of both which to me is baffling. Being a "creep" is not a crime. And being a "creep" is also subjective. I'm not even going to address that train of thought. I don't know that Woody Allen is innocent. But just like you clearly think he's guilty, I think he's innocent (of molesting Dylan). I am not throwing out the other testimonies. I'm saying that, even if they're true, they're not evidence of abuse. Allen having his head on Dylan's lap isn't abuse or evidence of abuse. And as Moses said, if that were really nefarious, I have no earthly idea why Allen would be doing it in the TV room which had multiple people in it. But you keep mentioning these testimonies as if they are evidence of Allen being a molester. Could you give me direct quotes from these adult testimonies that corroborate that claim? I don't think it's preferable to Dylan's. I think it holds equal weight to Dylan's. Again, what exactly did these testimonies say? That Allen had his head on a clothed Dylan's lap? That isn't molestation. Did Dylan state or complain to them that Allen had touched her inappropriately? I don't think that's the case, either. Please educate me on this, because I may very well be missing something here. Counteracted by the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of Yale-New Haven Hospital concluding that, "Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen." Allen is probably a statutory rapist. But that in absolutely no way paints him as a pedophile. They're completely different things.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 4, 2020 8:16:18 GMT
As usual, there is a lot of cherry-picking of points going on here, so I'll just post some: 1. Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of Yale-New Haven Hospital: " It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen." I know about Thompson's deposition and the NYDSS report but this report is virtually worthless. The notes of the report were destroyed, the only aspect of the report presented in court was the sworn statement of the pediatrician and panel head who never examined Dylan or spoke to Mia. There were no psychologists or psychiatrists on the panel and the judge ruled the report inadmissible. It's not evidence. I wrote this earlier and the information isn't hard to find. Is he referring to the Yale-New Haven Hospital report that had been deemed inadmissable and whose notes were destroyed and statement presented in court was written by a doctor who never examined Dylan? You can throw that out. The judge concluded there was no such evidence concluding that Dylan's statement (which remains consistent to this day) was rehearsed or coached. Anyways, this is evidence regarding the molestation charge, not the fact that Allen was a creep who's alleged by multiple witnesses to have behaved inappropriately towards Ronan which held up in court (unlike the Yale-New Haven report btw) and was corroborated my multiple witnesses and by psychiatric experts, and that he groomed and pursued the adopted daughter of his partner while she was still in highschool and took nude photos of her. He's a creep. Also Mariel Hemingway says he tried to seduce her during production of Manhattan when she was only 16. He's at best a step away from the kinds of sexual predators that #MeToo is finally outing. Using your power/position to pursue underage girls and using your power/position to sexually assault women are different degrees of disgusting but they're in the same family of influence-based sexual predation, and he clearly used his influence to groom Soon-Yi too (they both acknowledged that he was the initiator).
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