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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 20, 2020 8:47:23 GMT
Jesus christ Bloomberg got fucked up this debate. It was brutal - you usually only get to see take-downs like that when I'm posting the facts in the "Joe Carnahan" thread - even visually it was very bad for him - where he looked removed from both the others and the debate itself. Warren was in full "lecturing/tough teacher" mode and Bloomberg just looked like a short, bratty shell-shocked (and unprepared) student. Yikes....
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Post by getclutch on Feb 20, 2020 18:05:10 GMT
Absolutely not. He is trying to buy the election.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 20, 2020 20:43:04 GMT
There's no way he's worse than Trump and I'd vote for him Why is there no way that the racist, sexist, pro-war multi-billionaire attempting to purchase the presidency with sexual misconduct allegations out the ass is worse than Trump? Because he's less incompetent at getting his way and is calling himself a Democrat? I don't know, I'm looking at his list of political positions and they're pretty basic democratic talking points, and pardon me for thinking that's a net positive to what we have in office now (on policy alone he absolutely is better). I didn't say Bloomberg was a good person, but any liberal who says he's worse than Trump is straight up lying to themselves, and it's the same line of thinking that turned progressive voters away from Clinton in 2016 and now we're all looking down the barrel of an 8-year trump presidency. There's too much on the line to be self-righteous. Trump's flagrant disrespect for checks and balances, the constitution, his political opponents, the DOJ, the fucking climate, even basic rules of decorum has to be cut out like the cancer it is. He's done more damage to the American culture and political landscape than anyone in the last 50 years. Don't tell me Bloomberg is worse than Trump. The bar has been set insanely low, but he's objectively not lower than Trump. Not even close. There's no one in politics worse than Trump.
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 20, 2020 20:47:24 GMT
Absolutely not. He is trying to buy the election. It reminds me of this :
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Post by Film Socialism on Feb 21, 2020 1:51:32 GMT
Why is there no way that the racist, sexist, pro-war multi-billionaire attempting to purchase the presidency with sexual misconduct allegations out the ass is worse than Trump? Because he's less incompetent at getting his way and is calling himself a Democrat? I don't know, I'm looking at his list of political positions and they're pretty basic democratic talking points, and pardon me for thinking that's a net positive to what we have in office now (on policy alone he absolutely is better). I didn't say Bloomberg was a good person, but any liberal who says he's worse than Trump is straight up lying to themselves, and it's the same line of thinking that turned progressive voters away from Clinton in 2016 and now we're all looking down the barrel of an 8-year trump presidency. There's too much on the line to be self-righteous. Trump's flagrant disrespect for checks and balances, the constitution, his political opponents, the DOJ, the fucking climate, even basic rules of decorum has to be cut out like the cancer it is. He's done more damage to the American culture and political landscape than anyone in the last 50 years. Don't tell me Bloomberg is worse than Trump. The bar has been set insanely low, but he's objectively not lower than Trump. Not even close. There's no one in politics worse than Trump. bro 2016 was 4 years ago lol it's time to move on when people say that trump is a syndrome indicative of a greater sickness in our country, well-to-do liberals voting for michael fucking bloomberg is another one. he is not the one enemy. he is mostly an unsuccessful republican who has yet to accomplish much in the way of his promises or his blunders. bloomberg would be exactly the same. billionaires do not have regards for checks and balances or constitutions or political opponents (wtf? lol obviously you shouldn't have regard for those) or the climate or whatever "the basic rules of decorum" are, and that includes trump and the dude buying an election in real time. also like i hate to be the one to tell you this but simply throwing up a list of political positions haphazardly that go against all of the ones you did in your political career (when he was, i might add, a republican) is not indicative of a net positive to right now. thinking in terms of net positives and negatives when both people are so abhorrent is meaningless. it means you've already given up. grow up.
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Post by Film Socialism on Feb 21, 2020 1:53:45 GMT
There's no way he's worse than Trump and I'd vote for him Why is there no way that the racist, sexist, pro-war multi-billionaire attempting to purchase the presidency with sexual misconduct allegations out the ass is worse than Trump? Because he's less incompetent at getting his way and is calling himself a Democrat? it turns out that that is actually the answer lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 1:53:50 GMT
I don't know, I'm looking at his list of political positions and they're pretty basic democratic talking points, and pardon me for thinking that's a net positive to what we have in office now (on policy alone he absolutely is better). I didn't say Bloomberg was a good person, but any liberal who says he's worse than Trump is straight up lying to themselves, and it's the same line of thinking that turned progressive voters away from Clinton in 2016 and now we're all looking down the barrel of an 8-year trump presidency. There's too much on the line to be self-righteous. Trump's flagrant disrespect for checks and balances, the constitution, his political opponents, the DOJ, the fucking climate, even basic rules of decorum has to be cut out like the cancer it is. He's done more damage to the American culture and political landscape than anyone in the last 50 years. Don't tell me Bloomberg is worse than Trump. The bar has been set insanely low, but he's objectively not lower than Trump. Not even close. There's no one in politics worse than Trump. bro 2016 was 4 years ago lol it's time to move on when people say that trump is a syndrome indicative of a greater sickness in our country, well-to-do liberals voting for michael fucking bloomberg is another one. he is not the one enemy. he is mostly an unsuccessful republican who has yet to accomplish much in the way of his promises or his blunders. bloomberg would be exactly the same. billionaires do not have regards for checks and balances or constitutions or political opponents (wtf? lol obviously you shouldn't have regard for those) or the climate or whatever "the basic rules of decorum" are, and that includes trump and the dude buying an election in real time. also like i hate to be the one to tell you this but simply throwing up a list of political positions haphazardly that go against all of the ones you did in your political career (when he was, i might add, a republican) is not indicative of a net positive to right now. thinking in terms of net positives and negatives when both people are so abhorrent is meaningless. it means you've already given up. grow up. /thread
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 21, 2020 3:37:16 GMT
bro 2016 was 4 years ago lol it's time to move on yeah, and by 2024 it will have been 8 years. You're massively underselling the damage Trump has done. He's handily among the worst presidents in all of US history, not to mention definitely being the worst for the environment. Besides spending billions of dollars on a useless border wall, his immigration policies resulted in thousands of children separated from their parents and being interned and traumatized in concentration camps (let's not beat around the fucking bush) under horrible conditions and gave free reign to the ICE to harass immigrants. He's directly and intensely sowed division among the American public and has attacked the freedom of the press. He's rolled back on more than 90 environmental regulations and is considered the worst president for the environment ever in US history. He's hijacked the presidency to boost his own ego and publicly and viciously antagonizes anyone that doesn't kiss his ring, including colleagues, long-standing political institutions (FBI, the House, most recently the DOJ), the press, literally anyone who doesn't fall in line, whilst also exhibiting a martyr complex indicating a troubling level of narcissism (literally every word out of this man's mouth indicates some level of narcissism, sociopathy, or APD). He's spoken to the country's basest aspects and stoked the fires of homophobia, misogyny, sexism, xenophobia and white nationalism and openly participates by mocking foreigners. He instituted an unconstitutional and fear-mongering Muslim ban. He betrayed the Kurds by withdrawing US troops from Syria, allowing both their slaughter at the hands of Erdogan and mass escapes of ISIS prisoners as a result. If Bloomberg had been the candidate in 2016 and won, likely none of this^ would have happened. That's a fact. You can say Bloomberg would be a bad president and that he's a shitty person and is going to look out for corporate interests, but he wouldn't have been the worst president in US history, which makes him better than Trump by default. Obviously I was referring to his frighteningly antagonistic policies regarding anyone who opposes him even a little bit (on both sides of the aisle), or contradicts his bottom line, whether it be firing Vindman or weaponizing his base on Twitter to shamelessly harass people, or interfering in active DOJ investigations to get his way, intimidating witnesses, or fuck, actively trying to bribe a foreign country to take down a political opponent. He's a bully and a tyrant to the point of actual public illegality because he knows he can get away with it. He's transparently corrupt and narcissistic. The lesser of two evils is always going to be the lesser of two evils and thus a net positive. That's pragmatism. No I'm not going to align myself with the bitter progressives who in 2016 robbed the election from Clinton and helped give us these last four years of absolute political chaos, especially because that's likely to happen again. I'm not the one that needs to grow up.
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Post by dazed on Feb 21, 2020 3:59:07 GMT
bro 2016 was 4 years ago lol it's time to move on yeah, and by 2024 it will have been 8 years. You're massively underselling the damage Trump has done. He's handily among the worst presidents in all of US history, not to mention definitely being the worst for the environment. Besides spending billions of dollars on a useless border wall, his immigration policies resulted in thousands of children separated from their parents and being interned and traumatized in concentration camps (let's not beat around the fucking bush) under horrible conditions and gave free reign to the ICE to harass immigrants. He's directly and intensely sowed division among the American public and has attacked the freedom of the press. He's rolled back on more than 90 environmental regulations and is considered the worst president for the environment ever in US history. He's hijacked the presidency to boost his own ego and publicly and viciously antagonizes anyone that doesn't kiss his ring, including colleagues, long-standing political institutions (FBI, the House, most recently the DOJ), the press, literally anyone who doesn't fall in line, whilst also exhibiting a martyr complex indicating a troubling level of narcissism (literally every word out of this man's mouth indicates some level of narcissism, sociopathy, or APD). He's spoken to the country's basest aspects and stoked the fires of homophobia, misogyny, sexism, xenophobia and white nationalism and openly participates by mocking foreigners. He instituted an unconstitutional and fear-mongering Muslim ban. He betrayed the Kurds by withdrawing US troops from Syria, allowing both their slaughter at the hands of Erdogan and mass escapes of ISIS prisoners as a result. If Bloomberg had been the candidate in 2016 and won, likely none of this^ would have happened. That's a fact. You can say Bloomberg would be a bad president and that he's a shitty person and is going to look out for corporate interests, but he wouldn't have been the worst president in US history, which makes him better than Trump by default. Obviously I was referring to his frighteningly antagonistic policies regarding anyone who opposes him even a little bit (on both sides of the aisle), or contradicts his bottom line, whether it be firing Vindman or weaponizing his base on Twitter to shamelessly harass people, or interfering in active DOJ investigations to get his way, intimidating witnesses, or fuck, actively trying to bribe a foreign country to take down a political opponent. He's a bully and a tyrant to the point of actual public illegality because he knows he can get away with it. He's transparently corrupt and narcissistic. The lesser of two evils is always going to be the lesser of two evils and thus a net positive. That's realism. No I'm not going to align myself with the bitter progressives who in 2016 robbed the election from Clinton and helped give us these last four years of absolute political chaos, especially because that's likely to happen again. I'm not the one that needs to grow up. Clinton robbed herself out of being elected by being an awful candidate.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 21, 2020 4:02:38 GMT
all of this is hopefully academic as I don't see Bloomberg winning the nomination and I really don't want him to, but I am extremely averse to the kind of obstinate head-in-the-sand idealism that's unwilling to accept that inaction actively strengthens the other side. Any vote not cast for the blue ticket this November is a vote cast for Trump, and people can justify it to themselves however they want but it won't change the fact that it's true.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 21, 2020 4:03:31 GMT
Clinton robbed herself out of being elected by being an awful candidate. And we got a president that was exponentially more awful than she would've been. Congratulations.
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Post by Film Socialism on Feb 21, 2020 4:33:19 GMT
bro 2016 was 4 years ago lol it's time to move on yeah, and by 2024 it will have been 8 years. You're massively underselling the damage Trump has done. He's handily among the worst presidents in all of US history, not to mention definitely being the worst for the environment. Besides spending billions of dollars on a useless border wall, his immigration policies resulted in thousands of children separated from their parents and being interned and traumatized in concentration camps (let's not beat around the fucking bush) under horrible conditions and gave free reign to the ICE to harass immigrants. He's directly and intensely sowed division among the American public and has attacked the freedom of the press. He's rolled back on more than 90 environmental regulations and is considered the worst president for the environment ever in US history. He's hijacked the presidency to boost his own ego and publicly and viciously antagonizes anyone that doesn't kiss his ring, including colleagues, long-standing political institutions (FBI, the House, most recently the DOJ), the press, literally anyone who doesn't fall in line, whilst also exhibiting a martyr complex indicating a troubling level of narcissism (literally every word out of this man's mouth indicates some level of narcissism, sociopathy, or APD). He's spoken to the country's basest aspects and stoked the fires of homophobia, misogyny, sexism, xenophobia and white nationalism and openly participates by mocking foreigners. He instituted an unconstitutional and fear-mongering Muslim ban. He betrayed the Kurds by withdrawing US troops from Syria, allowing both their slaughter at the hands of Erdogan and mass escapes of ISIS prisoners as a result. If Bloomberg had been the candidate in 2016 and won, likely none of this^ would have happened. That's a fact. You can say Bloomberg would be a bad president and that he's a shitty person and is going to look out for corporate interests, but he wouldn't have been the worst president in US history, which makes him better than Trump by default. Obviously I was referring to his frighteningly antagonistic policies regarding anyone who opposes him even a little bit (on both sides of the aisle), or contradicts his bottom line, whether it be firing Vindman or weaponizing his base on Twitter to shamelessly harass people, or interfering in active DOJ investigations to get his way, intimidating witnesses, or fuck, actively trying to bribe a foreign country to take down a political opponent. He's a bully and a tyrant to the point of actual public illegality because he knows he can get away with it. He's transparently corrupt and narcissistic. The lesser of two evils is always going to be the lesser of two evils and thus a net positive. That's pragmatism. No I'm not going to align myself with the bitter progressives who in 2016 robbed the election from Clinton and helped give us these last four years of absolute political chaos, especially because that's likely to happen again. I'm not the one that needs to grow up. a lot of what trump is known for being shitty about (which is accurate, mind you) is stuff that other presidents have continuously done and will probably always do unless radical change is enacted. border walls, not combating climate change, poor immigration policies are things that happened under obama and bush and clinton and it goes back for centuries. and yeah, he's more open about his racism than, say, W was, and yes there are real-world effects from this, but he couldn't have become popular if this was not a populist position to hold as-is. which, again, is the syndrome/sickness deal. presidents are extremely horrible people. it makes my blood boil that they live lives of comfort and luxury and power while enacting war crimes and genocide. hillary, bloomberg, even people i don't mind as much like bernie would have had devastating policies on those fronts, and them being elected isn't going to cure america's widespread discrimination. i don't even know how people can say things about "worst presidents in history" when a pretty sizable portion of them were slave owners, most of the others supported jim crow laws, and the rest died from dysentery after a year or two accomplishing nothing. like yeah, he's a racist, he's probably a rapist, he's a billionaire, obviously i hate him, but let's not pretend that the presidents have been good people. this is the part where i think u need to grow up dude. well, if we look at what did happen since 2016, you'll notice a shift left for a lot of topics. climate change is more talked about on the dem side as something that needs to be combated immediately. medicare for all - well i mean basically only bernie gives a shit about it but it's at least being discussed. andrew yang & UBI. cancellation of student debt. these things would not have happened if some corporate shill like clinton or bloomberg comfortably won in 16, i just flat out don't buy it. and the only real chance that america has for having a president that might be somewhat okay is if these leftward shifts persist. the thing that stifles that the most isn't trump, it's corporate dems that cover it up.
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Post by dazed on Feb 21, 2020 4:44:04 GMT
Clinton robbed herself out of being elected by being an awful candidate. And we got a president that was exponentially more awful than she would've been. Congratulations. Rather than voting for the most popular politician in America who would have beat Trump, you instead voted for one of the most unfavourable politicians who lost against Trump. Congratulations.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 22, 2020 18:57:22 GMT
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Post by dazed on Feb 22, 2020 19:40:19 GMT
Mainstream media has played a huge part in this. They face planted on their “resistance”.
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