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Post by JangoB on Feb 10, 2020 19:35:47 GMT
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Post by quetee on Feb 10, 2020 19:49:19 GMT
Ouch. Knew it would be bad. I think Globes get higher numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 19:52:11 GMT
Ouch. Knew it would be bad. I think Globes get higher numbers. I think the Oscars are still the world's most-watched non-sporting event. Still, I think the perception is that they're rather dry.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 10, 2020 19:52:25 GMT
A little surprising given that the movies seemed more popular than what they usually are (Joker did a billion dollars, Little Women, 1917, Ford vs Ferrari and OUATIH all did over 100 mil domestic, an absurd number of people watched Irishman on Netflix)
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Post by quetee on Feb 10, 2020 19:52:35 GMT
Poor, most people see from the internet today they make 90% of revenue on oscar night and they are at mercy of network.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 10, 2020 19:53:34 GMT
Do you guys think it's because of the Oscars (like most of those big Award Shows) becoming a little bit too political nowadays? Not that I am particularly complaining but it's kind of true.
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Post by quetee on Feb 10, 2020 19:53:35 GMT
A little surprising given that the movies seemed more popular than what they usually are (Joker did a billion dollars, Little Women, 1917, Ford vs Ferrari and OUATIH all did over 100 mil domestic, an absurd number of people watched Irishman on Netflix) yeah but joker was not frontrunner for film and no host.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 10, 2020 19:55:29 GMT
I don't know why TV ratings are all that important. A lot of people watch award shows online.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 19:55:31 GMT
Do you guys think it's because of the Oscars (like most of those big Award Shows) becoming a little bit too political nowadays? Not that I am particularly complaining but it's kind of true. No, definitely not. I mean, people who watch Fox News are definitely bothered by it, but they average about 3 million viewers a night.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 10, 2020 19:56:04 GMT
A little surprising given that the movies seemed more popular than what they usually are (Joker did a billion dollars, Little Women, 1917, Ford vs Ferrari and OUATIH all did over 100 mil domestic, an absurd number of people watched Irishman on Netflix) yeah but joker was not frontrunner for film and no host. No host probably did hurt it. That's probably a draw for some people. It was clear Avatar wasn't winning BP yet 09 still got huge ratings which most people attribute to it. Casuals don't follow the precursors at all. Historically having popular movies up for BP at all helps ratings.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 10, 2020 19:58:11 GMT
I think it’s largely a streaming thing but I kind of think people are getting sick of being lectured in acceptance speeches.
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Post by Sharbs on Feb 10, 2020 19:58:21 GMT
A little surprising given that the movies seemed more popular than what they usually are (Joker did a billion dollars, Little Women, 1917, Ford vs Ferrari and OUATIH all did over 100 mil domestic, an absurd number of people watched Irishman on Netflix) yeah but joker was not frontrunner for film and no host. the main reason we know it's the frontrunner is because of the countless hours we spend on this topic for the last quarter of the year. I've had people at work today say they did tune in because Joker was their hope and didn't know what was going on with precursors and odds and what-not. I think the lack of a host is some of it, but mostly it's just the natural progression of it. Most people will just youtube the speeches the morning after or Monae fans will learn that she was an act and watch her thing later on that night or the next morning. Part of me even doubts ABC even cares because most of it is just for social media relevancy more than the # of people tuning in for the 3+ hours.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 10, 2020 19:59:12 GMT
Movies are a dead medium - or at least movie culture is. I was at an Oscar party last night and none of the people there remembered Regina King or her film.
In the next few years when Hanks wins a 3rd, Washington wins a 3rd, De Niro wins a 3rd that stat won't matter either, now that foreign film has won that has gone by the wayside - there's less things distinctive about the Awards and movies now, one does not push the other and one used to foster a whole myth of the other.........now they just go through the motions of saying these 2 things are interconnected.
In ~5 years the Emmy's - the fncking Emmy's for Godsakes - will be a better version of the Oscars, just you watch.....
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Post by quetee on Feb 10, 2020 19:59:17 GMT
I don't know why TV ratings are all that important. A lot of people watch award shows online. are you kidding? Why else were they gonna give us that silly popular movie category. The show is how they make money.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 10, 2020 20:05:19 GMT
yeah but joker was not frontrunner for film and no host. the main reason we know it's the frontrunner is because of the countless hours we spend on this topic for the last quarter of the year. I've had people at work today say they did tune in because Joker was their hope and didn't know what was going on with precursors and odds and what-not. I think the lack of a host is some of it, but mostly it's just the natural progression of it. Most people will just youtube the speeches the morning after or Monae fans will learn that she was an act and watch her thing later on that night or the next morning. Part of me even doubts ABC even cares because most of it is just for social media relevancy more than the # of people tuning in for the 3+ hours. Yeah, I was lurking online and doing other things when I saw Phoenix won and thought about turning the TV on real quick for his speech but thought "Nah, I can just watch it later". Making it shorter might be the best thing they could do. I'm a big movie fan and I don't want to sit there for 3 1/2 hours watching all these skits. I only ever watch anymore if I have a party to go to.
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Post by quetee on Feb 10, 2020 20:15:38 GMT
Maybe black people tuned out. Lack of diversity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 20:45:50 GMT
They need to revamp the whole ceremony and several of the award categories. It's a mess.
If I wasn't such a hopeless film/list obsessive (which, obviously, most people aren't) I couldn't imagine myself tuning in.
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Post by quetee on Feb 10, 2020 20:46:31 GMT
Maybe black people tuned out. Lack of diversity. Asian just won big, what kind of diversity? Diversity isn't always black, yellow is part of it too where? They gave an Asian movie bp and didnt have the respect to give one actor from movie a nod. That is crazy. It was a character driven movie. Like i said, no diversity.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 10, 2020 20:51:59 GMT
Nobody cared about Renee Zellweger's comeback. Lots of people haven't seen or don't care about a Korean movie..... although unanimously well received by the critics.
Brad Pitt and Joaquin Phoenix winning an Oscar is nice..... but I don't think either of them won for their most definitive role, those don't seem like a Pitt or a Phoenix movie.... I dunno.... just don't seem like a signature moment. Joker and Pitt fans aren't gonna sit through the entire ceremony to wait for their Oscars. Even if Pitt was one of the earliest announced, he definitely wasn't the talk of the year or anything. You need to give Denzel an Oscar or something to get people to attentively watch. Denzel is loved in ways Pitt and Phoenix isn't in the real world.
Case in point.... 1983. Such a boring year in Hollywood. What films did they release that year that wasn't a snoozefest? And lots of films in that mid-80s period are forgotten nowadays and their shelf life didn't last long. This 2017-2020 period is resembling that 80s mids period of dried up Hollywood.
There's only a handful of Hollywood classics from that mid 80s period remembered now. The Terminator, Amadeus, Back to the Future, Brazil, maybe Platoon (but that's not even close to like Apocalypse Now or something). What films are gonna be classics in the late 2010s? Probably even less.
So yeah.... make better films I guess. Because Hollywood lately is seriously starting to resemble the mid 80s. This decade has been for the most part underwhelming, but I'm even gonna go on to say that first 5 years (2010-2014) are probably better than the last 5. And those first 5 years (2010-2014) don't even compare to the late 90s or early 00s.
I'm not even nuts about the late 00s, but I even think that period was better than any period in the 2010s. You had There Will Be Blood, No Country for Old Men, and The Dark Knight. My opinion on those movies being irrelevant - lots of people obviously grew up on those films. Or at least their infant days were born on those films. Those were signature moments in Hollywood.
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Post by lee on Feb 10, 2020 20:57:51 GMT
Maybe black people tuned out. Lack of diversity. Asian just won big, what kind of diversity? Diversity isn't always black, yellow is part of it too How are asians yellow though, lmao
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Feb 10, 2020 21:12:45 GMT
Ratings for every live award show continue to drop. The Oscars are the still the most watched event besides the NFL/Superbowl. Streaming plays a big part and they need to find a way to include these viewers in their total numbers.
Still, they need to play more to their core audience. Does anyone care that Eminem sang a song from 18 years ago? If they were trying to bring in viewers, why wouldn't they promote it? Performing the Original Songs live is typically a bust unless everyone knows the songs - like Shallow or Let it Go. It's become too much like the Grammy's with all these performances.
Air the Oscar Nominations in prime time, celebrate the year in film, and promote the show.
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Post by morton on Feb 10, 2020 22:49:00 GMT
yeah but joker was not frontrunner for film and no host. the main reason we know it's the frontrunner is because of the countless hours we spend on this topic for the last quarter of the year. I've had people at work today say they did tune in because Joker was their hope and didn't know what was going on with precursors and odds and what-not. I think the lack of a host is some of it, but mostly it's just the natural progression of it. Most people will just youtube the speeches the morning after or Monae fans will learn that she was an act and watch her thing later on that night or the next morning. Part of me even doubts ABC even cares because most of it is just for social media relevancy more than the # of people tuning in for the 3+ hours. Yeah, I think a lot of people nowadays just wait until the next day to find out who won and to see any memorable moments. It's a lot less boring, so mostly it just seems like those that really love movies and/or award shows, or just ones that have watched it every year still watch the whole thing. I think they were trying to create a viral moment with Eminem; although, it didn't work at all because he sang an old song, because that's what won the Oscar unlike last year where at least they could bring Queen plus Adam Lambert to sing Queen songs because there was the connection to Bohemian Rhapsody. I thought they would do that this year with Elton John, but I guess either he said no, or they didn't want to be unfair to the other song nominees if John got to do more songs than anyone else. Of course there was Billie Eilish. A few of her expressions became memes as did a few of Marty's, but her performance, imo, was pretty lackluster. Not that she could really do anything because it was the In Memoriam section, so really just a stupid idea, imo, to bring her on in the first place because I doubt that many people tuned in just to see her, and her there's better performer/singers out there that could have done better with "Yesterday" imo. Movies are a dead medium - or at least movie culture is. I was at an Oscar party last night and none of the people there remembered Regina King or her film. In the next few years when Hanks wins a 3rd, Washington wins a 3rd, De Niro wins a 3rd that stat won't matter either, now that foreign film has won that has gone by the wayside - there's less things distinctive about the Awards and movies now, one does not push the other and one used to foster a whole myth of the other.........now they just go through the motions of saying these 2 things are interconnected. In ~5 years the Emmy's - the fncking Emmy's for Godsakes - will be a better version of the Oscars, just you watch..... Eventually I do think that the Emmys and Oscars will merge. It feels like that now in a lot of ways because Netflix and Amazon can choose which award shows they want to submit their material to, and there's some things that can be nominated at both awards. Eventually with each major studio setting up their own streaming services now that's going to happen a lot more until they finally become one award show. Plus, with the Globes, Critics Choice, and SAG, there's a lot of crossover between television and film nominees.
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Post by quetee on Feb 10, 2020 22:57:14 GMT
My guess is in 20 years or so the show wont be televised and we just watch the YouTube clips.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 10, 2020 23:24:05 GMT
Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. Pewdiepie and Logan Paul are the way of the future. Movies are going the way of the epic poem.
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 10, 2020 23:27:49 GMT
Proof that ABC is full of dimwitted execs. Just give the rights to YouTube. Voila, 123M viewers
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