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Post by Allenism on Jan 31, 2020 2:07:23 GMT
Who's better? For me it's pretty obviously Phoenix even if I hate the incels tongue-bathing him nowadays after Joker.
Fun fact, they were born only 14 days apart.
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2020 2:08:16 GMT
DiCaprio has a long way to go to match Phoenix.
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Post by Allenism on Jan 31, 2020 2:11:09 GMT
DiCaprio has a long way to go to match Phoenix. Agreed, but if you were the one who voted, you hit DiCaprio (November Scorp).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 2:15:59 GMT
Pre-2008: DiCaprio Post-2008: Phoenix
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Post by DeepArcher on Jan 31, 2020 3:50:49 GMT
The answer seems obvious, but DiCaprio checkmated Phoenix so hard in 2019 that I almost want to pick him...
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 31, 2020 5:00:50 GMT
DiCaprio, and it's not close. Joaquin is just hipster catnip at this point; I loved him through Two Lovers, but he's become mush-mouthed and very bad at picking roles. DiCaprio is astonishing, and fights through prejudices against him. Range-wise at their best I'd say they're about equal, as Wock did excellent technical work in Gladiator and Walk the Line as did Leo in Gilbert Grape and Blood Diamond. But...I can't root for someone who picks projects as stupidly as Joaquin does. He had to insult Heath Ledger's legacy for clout. Imagine Oscar Isaac winning a Best Actor Oscar for playing "Michael Corleone" in a lousy J.C. Chandor movie that grossed a billion because it had a DC tie-in. LMFAO.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2020 7:34:38 GMT
Phoenix I think Phoenix can go places DiCap can't but some of Phoenix can be overrated too - not Joker to me, that's great - but You Were Never Really Here and things like that where I admire it but am pushed away at the same time. He's great-ish a lot where I feel its a freakshow often but he had his greatest popular success and I loved him PLAYING a freakshow, so it's complicated. DiCap is a far easier actor to like though - a genuine star who keeps getting better.......together they are the 2 American actors who can actually rival the 70s American greats when their careers end. DiCaprio again is to me the only real threat to Nicholson's Oscar nomination record, or Lemmon/Pacino's Golden Globes totals - all from movies alone for DiCaprio (!) - and he's obliterating the Best Pic amounts of everyone.........all that matters.......... a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 9:02:18 GMT
After Joker I don’t know what to think of Phoenix. Overall I’d still have to give it to him but if he keeps turning in Joker-level performances (which, as I’ve stressed before, was not just bad in my eyes but downright horrendous) I’m going to have a hard time continuing to see him in all that positive of a light regardless of how great some of his earlier stuff was.
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 31, 2020 9:06:38 GMT
DiCaprio has more lows while Phoenix is way more consistent. At the other hand DiCaprio has more "great performances", so right now I have to go with Leo, who has become pretty consistent in the last ten years as well.
Granted I haven't seen "You were never really here" or "Joker". But the latter one is from what I've heard about it anyways an easy role to act in my eyes, so I wouldn't expect it would make too much of a change for me. Also haven't seen "Once upon a Time in Hollywood" of Leo's more acclaimed roles.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 31, 2020 9:41:40 GMT
DiCaprio is infinitely less interesting a performer to me.
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Post by Allenism on Jan 31, 2020 10:29:27 GMT
DiCaprio is infinitely less interesting a performer to me. He’s acts for the applause, that’s for sure. Joaquin has fallen into the same trap more recently but on balance he can do a lot more with much less. When was the last time DiCap made a secondary role sing?
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Post by wallsofjericho on Jan 31, 2020 11:27:01 GMT
Overall Phoenix but Leo had the better performance this year.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 31, 2020 15:26:05 GMT
In my opinion it's Leo but they are very very close. Talented and consistent, most likely the best actors of their age.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2020 15:36:58 GMT
In my opinion it's Leo but they are very very close. Talented and consistent, most likely the best actors of their age. I think Phoenix, DiCaprio and Bale are all about on par. All have very different strengths and weaknesses, but do what they do to a very high level and have become very consistent. It'd be easier for me to seperate them if any of them were great stage actors as well, but none of them go there. I don't think the slightly younger Gyllenhaal is far behind them, and his upside is potentially greater, but he needs to develop better consistency. I have a strong liking for James MacAvoy, but on film he doesn't consistently get the roles and vehicles to really compete with these guys, though he is just as talented, imho.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 31, 2020 15:46:42 GMT
In my opinion it's Leo but they are very very close. Talented and consistent, most likely the best actors of their age. I think Phoenix, DiCaprio and Bale are all about on par. All have very different strengths and weaknesses, but do what they do to a very high level and have become very consistent. It'd be easier for me to seperate them if any of them were great stage actors as well, but none of them go there. I don't think the slightly younger Gyllenhaal is far behind them, and his upside is potentially greater, but he needs to develop better consistency. I have a strong liking for James MacAvoy, but on film he doesn't consistently get the roles and vehicles to really compete with these guys, though he is just as talented, imho. I totally agree on Bale. Gyllenhaal, I just don't like him...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2020 15:53:40 GMT
I think Phoenix, DiCaprio and Bale are all about on par. All have very different strengths and weaknesses, but do what they do to a very high level and have become very consistent. It'd be easier for me to seperate them if any of them were great stage actors as well, but none of them go there. I don't think the slightly younger Gyllenhaal is far behind them, and his upside is potentially greater, but he needs to develop better consistency. I have a strong liking for James MacAvoy, but on film he doesn't consistently get the roles and vehicles to really compete with these guys, though he is just as talented, imho. I totally agree on Bale. Gyllenhaal, I just don't like him...Yeah don't get his appeal - I mean I do like him but he's been great once (Nightcrawler).....he's approaching 40........he's been around a long time, has a ton of credits......... if he was in DiCap or in Phoenix's league (he's not) you'd have seen proof ..........I've seen him on stage and didn't see it there either. Driver has stolen his thunder big time, on stage too.....I mean he'd have to go on a tremendous run to get in that league, I don't see the evidence of it tbh........maybe he'll shut me up, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 31, 2020 16:03:43 GMT
Le Phoenix and it ain’t even close! DiCaprio is a very gifted actor no doubt but his performances are never, let's say... "transcendental". Phoenix always manages to take it to another level. He is in another league.Phoenix is more natural and real, while DiCaprio can be a little too hyper theatrical for my taste.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 31, 2020 22:37:02 GMT
This is the kind of thing that made me somewhat of a Leo hater in the past. He's a good actor but he is not on par with Phoenix, let alone Pacino/De Niro as he is often compared to. He's a solid professional and a great star but not an all time actor.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Feb 1, 2020 12:17:45 GMT
Was going to add that while I prefer Phoenix I think he should avoid playing unhinged roles for a while to the point where he doesn't end using all his ammunition. Would like to see him in just an Everyman role or something similar to what he did in The Sister Brothers.
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Post by Allenism on Feb 1, 2020 15:51:52 GMT
Was going to add that while I prefer Phoenix I think he should avoid playing unhinged roles for a while to the point where he doesn't end using all his ammunition. Would like to see him in just an Everyman role or something similar to what he did in The Sister Brothers. Hmmm, I enjoyed him enough in The Sisters Brothers but I wouldn't place that performance very high on my list of favorites. I see what you mean, though, he is capable of playing the Everyman and can bring an unaffected lightness to a character (you also saw that to a lesser extent in Her), but seems to choose the opposite type of role most of the time.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 1, 2020 16:10:52 GMT
Was going to add that while I prefer Phoenix I think he should avoid playing unhinged roles for a while to the point where he doesn't end using all his ammunition. Would like to see him in just an Everyman role or something similar to what he did in The Sister Brothers. I don't think "everyman" is really in Phoenix's locker as an actor. It doesn't play to his strengths as an actor. He's at his least compelling when attempting to play "regular" guys. He's got a naturally off-kilter vibe to him that filters into almost everything he does. I'd say the same about someone like Christopher Walken. It's their weirdness that makes them interesting actors.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 1, 2020 19:47:59 GMT
After Joker I don’t know what to think of Phoenix. Overall I’d still have to give it to him but if he keeps turning in Joker-level performances (which, as I’ve stressed before, was not just bad in my eyes but downright horrendous) I’m going to have a hard time continuing to see him in all that positive of a light regardless of how great some of his earlier stuff was. His JOKER performance was a master class in brilliant acting. May any aspiring actor be lucky enough to give a tour-de-force performance that was that "horrendous".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 19:55:25 GMT
After Joker I don’t know what to think of Phoenix. Overall I’d still have to give it to him but if he keeps turning in Joker-level performances (which, as I’ve stressed before, was not just bad in my eyes but downright horrendous) I’m going to have a hard time continuing to see him in all that positive of a light regardless of how great some of his earlier stuff was. His JOKER performance was a master class in brilliant acting. May any aspiring actor be lucky enough to give a tour-de-force performance that was that "horrendous". For real, they’d probably win an Oscar for it.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 3, 2020 4:56:59 GMT
Leo will come out with another Scorsese banger and then follow that up with something interesting, meanwhile Joaquin will release 3-4 flops in a row that his stans and fake stans won't even watch. It's so predictable. Joker 2.0 makes a billion rinse and repeat.
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Post by jakesully on Feb 3, 2020 19:10:53 GMT
Its Leonardo Dicaprio for me. His filmography is vastly superior in every way with much better films/characters thru out the years. Just wish he'd act more (but I respect the fact that he's very selective in choosing projects)
I love Joaquin as well though!
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