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Post by stephen on Jun 9, 2021 14:16:23 GMT
She looks nothing like Tammy Faye and she's too physically imposing.......BUT .......she has the voice down and plays it marvelously there - at least in the trailer - that's a great trailer for how it plays the dramatics of it - there's movie reality and "real" reality and everyone wants "movie reality" because if you want "real" reality stand on the sidewalk and watch that exciting drama of boredom ........or something. Side note: Guess it's too much to ask for Hollywood to make a movie about Christians who are actually you know representative of faith and not scumbags........at least every once in a while, huh? I mean, Andrew Garfield did it twice in the same year.
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Post by morton on Jun 9, 2021 14:28:30 GMT
Chastain looks like a lot of fun, and while she doesn't exactly look like Tammy Faye (who does?), she's certainly got her personality down pat. I also think Garfield's exuding that worminess that Jim Bakker's known for. I really liked Showalter's last two films, so I'm hopeful this will continue the trajectory. I’m getting very strong I, Tonya vibes from the trailer except I’m still distracted at times by the makeup. Sometimes it’s okay, but sometimes it’s very noticeable imo. Also I’m probably in the minority, but I thought Garfield looked great in what little he is in the trailer. I agree that I do think he nailed the essence of Bakker. She looks nothing like Tammy Faye and she's too physically imposing.......BUT .......she has the voice down and plays it marvelously there - at least in the trailer - that's a great trailer for how it plays the dramatics of it - there's movie reality and "real" reality and everyone wants "movie reality" because if you want "real" reality stand on the sidewalk and watch that exciting drama of boredom ........or something. Side note: Guess it's too much to ask for Hollywood to make a movie about Christians who are actually you know representative of faith and not scumbags........at least every once in a while, huh? I always feel like such a Negative Nancy or Debbie Downer lol, but at times I thought Chastain’s voice was fine, but a few times it sounded like Chastain doing an imitation. I don’t know hopefully if I see it, the whole character will work, and I won’t see or hear nitpicky things.
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Post by wilcinema on Jun 9, 2021 14:28:38 GMT
This looks so much fun, I can totally see Jess nominated at SAG for this. Garfield creeped me out.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 9, 2021 14:33:09 GMT
She looks nothing like Tammy Faye and she's too physically imposing.......BUT .......she has the voice down and plays it marvelously there - at least in the trailer - that's a great trailer for how it plays the dramatics of it - there's movie reality and "real" reality and everyone wants "movie reality" because if you want "real" reality stand on the sidewalk and watch that exciting drama of boredom ........or something. Side note: Guess it's too much to ask for Hollywood to make a movie about Christians who are actually you know representative of faith and not scumbags........ at least every once in a while, huh? I mean, Andrew Garfield did it twice in the same year. True.......although 2016 sort of barely qualifies as "once in a while" .............but you can't go by me, I'm an old school movie lover always on the lookout for the new Cecil B. DeMille .........A Hidden Life was one as well ........
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Post by franklin on Jun 9, 2021 14:46:32 GMT
I think Garfield has high chances of getting a nomination in Supporting.
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Post by stephen on Jun 9, 2021 14:49:35 GMT
I mean, Andrew Garfield did it twice in the same year. True.......although 2016 sort of barely qualifies as "once in a while" .............but you can't go by me, I'm an old school movie lover always on the lookout for the new Cecil B. DeMille .........A Hidden Life was one as well ........ The thing about films about faith is, they are reflections of the filmmaker probably more than any other genre. And the thing is, faith is so very hard to market to the general audiences. You will obviously have those predisposed to like it (the church crowds who will flock to see it with their entire congregation simply because it's a movie that relates to their religion positively), but there is a very fine line to walk between a film displaying religion and a film preaching it, and so often they fall into the latter category. And I'm not going to the films to watch a sermon on a faith I do not follow.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 9, 2021 15:14:33 GMT
True.......although 2016 sort of barely qualifies as "once in a while" .............but you can't go by me, I'm an old school movie lover always on the lookout for the new Cecil B. DeMille .........A Hidden Life was one as well ........ The thing about films about faith is, they are reflections of the filmmaker probably more than any other genre. And the thing is, faith is so very hard to market to the general audiences. You will obviously have those predisposed to like it (the church crowds who will flock to see it with their entire congregation simply because it's a movie that relates to their religion positively), but there is a very fine line to walk between a film displaying religion and a film preaching it, and so often they fall into the latter category. And I'm not going to the films to watch a sermon on a faith I do not follow. Good points........I would say in the US this is actually becoming more of a thing politically (isn't everything?) - and you'll hear more about it outside this board in the next few years too...... I would argue culturally there's a very fine line to walk with a film displaying a social POV and preaching it - just like religion........I mean it was impossible to watch Judas and The Black Messiah without swallowing that the Black Panther party never killed anyone (um), watch Promising Young Female without swallowing a pretty extreme position (all men are either rapists, or enablers) or find anything positive regarding capitalism in Nomadland - and I like all of those films........they all made my top 10 ..........but they operate within the same parameters culturally as how we're "summing up religious film" here tbh.......
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Post by stephen on Jun 9, 2021 15:24:04 GMT
Good points........I would say in the US this is actually becoming more of a thing politically (isn't everything?) - and you'll hear more about it outside this board in the next few years too...... I would argue culturally there's a very fine line to walk with a film displaying a social POV and preaching it - just like religion........I mean it was impossible to watch Judas and The Black Messiah without swallowing that the Black Panther party never killed anyone (um), watch Promising Young Female without swallowing a pretty extreme position (all men are either rapists, or enablers) or find anything positive regarding capitalism in Nomadland - and I like all of those films........they all made my top 10 ..........but they operate within the same parameters culturally as how we're "summing up religious film" here tbh....... Was that the conceit of Judas and the Black Messiah, though? We saw members of the Black Panther party kill people in that film. Yes, there were those who took it too far, but the retribution from the powers-that-be was far worse. The idea that all men are rapists/enablers being the message of Promising Young Woman is also a very glib interpretation of what I think is a more nuanced story at hand (one of the most pointed critiques of the film involves Connie Britton's character, a woman in authority, and the one character who expresses any sort of atonement for what happened is a man, Alfred Molina's character). It all ends in a pyrrhic victory for the protagonist, one that likely wasn't worth it in the end because it leaves more devastation in its wake than healing. Nomadland, well, what positivity is there to say about capitalism in the wake of the last fifteen years?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 9, 2021 15:40:01 GMT
Good points........I would say in the US this is actually becoming more of a thing politically (isn't everything?) - and you'll hear more about it outside this board in the next few years too...... I would argue culturally there's a very fine line to walk with a film displaying a social POV and preaching it - just like religion........I mean it was impossible to watch Judas and The Black Messiah without swallowing that the Black Panther party never killed anyone (um), watch Promising Young Female without swallowing a pretty extreme position (all men are either rapists, or enablers) or find anything positive regarding capitalism in Nomadland - and I like all of those films........they all made my top 10 ..........but they operate within the same parameters culturally as how we're "summing up religious film" here tbh....... Was that the conceit of Judas and the Black Messiah, though? We saw members of the Black Panther party kill people in that film. Yes, there were those who took it too far, but the retribution from the powers-that-be was far worse. The idea that all men are rapists/enablers being the message of Promising Young Woman is also a very glib interpretation of what I think is a more nuanced story at hand (one of the most pointed critiques of the film involves Connie Britton's character, a woman in authority, and the one character who expresses any sort of atonement for what happened is a man, Alfred Molina's character). It all ends in a pyrrhic victory for the protagonist, one that likely wasn't worth it in the end because it leaves more devastation in its wake than healing. Nomadland, well, what positivity is there to say about capitalism in the wake of the last fifteen years?Well we are way off of the movie and down our own rabbit hole here - but I'll say that the last statement on Nomadland is as glib an interpretation as any way that I off-handed short summarized those films actually.......I mean I could say a lot positive about capitalism - always - I am a capitalist. I mean if you're going to pat yourself on the back - as you did earlier for not being a Christian - can I at least say that much for myself? A lot of this gets into the way people read films - how they read the Black Panthers and male characters in those films - and reading culture (Including faith) in films is my point.......and that all goes across a broader culture - my initial point - in bold below - still applies in the fact that it would be nice that for every Eyes of Tammy Faye there may be a decent drama to be made about Ed Young too ......there HAS to be some drama in his story too right .........but I wouldn't hold my breath Guess it's too much to ask for Hollywood to make a movie about Christians who are actually you know representative of faith and not scumbags........at least every once in a while, huh?
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Post by wonky on Jun 9, 2021 15:59:10 GMT
Paul Raci just got an Oscar nomination for playing a decent Christian.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 9, 2021 18:45:01 GMT
Side note: Guess it's too much to ask for Hollywood to make a movie about Christians who are actually you know representative of faith and not scumbags........at least every once in a while, huh? No thank you. But you’re free to enjoy Kirk Cameron movies if you’d like.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 9, 2021 19:01:15 GMT
Side note: Guess it's too much to ask for Hollywood to make a movie about Christians who are actually you know representative of faith and not scumbags........at least every once in a while, huh? No thank you. But you’re free to enjoy Kirk Cameron movies if you’d like. ...........Or we can both enjoy Ingmar Bergman and Carl Dreyer and Krzysztof Kieślowski movies on faith ......I mean movies about faith don't scare me......do they scare you? ............I mean you like Road To Perdition right? - That word IS a Christian word.......so you want the same thing ............movies about faith......which is basically how all things on here end up......matching what pacinoyes said, exactly, in the first place. Perdition: (in Christian theology) a state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.Amen
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Post by stephen on Jun 9, 2021 19:06:49 GMT
No thank you. But you’re free to enjoy Kirk Cameron movies if you’d like. ...........Or we can both enjoy Ingmar Bergman and Carl Dreyer and Krzysztof Kieślowski movies on faith ......I mean movies about faith don't scare me......do they scare you? ............I mean you like Road To Perdition right? - That word IS a Christian word.......so you want the same thing ............movies about faith......which is basically how all things on here end up......matching what pacinoyes said, exactly, in the first place. Perdition: (in Christian theology) a state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.Amen I mean, the question is, what sort of faith-based films are you wanting, and who do you want making them? Because it comes down to the filmmaker, not necessarily the material. Scorsese and Gibson are devout in their beliefs, and while Malick isn't exactly a traditionalist when it comes to his faith, he is making a movie about Jesus, after all. (And one could argue that The Thin Red Line has a Christ-like figure in it; Mel Gibson certainly thought as much.) But yeah, I don't think it comes down to a question of the stories themselves, but who is telling them, and what their aim is. Because yeah, you could have something meditative like Dreyer or Kieslowski or Bergman, but you also get Kirk Cameron and the God's Not Dead brood.
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Post by wilcinema on Jun 9, 2021 19:11:20 GMT
pacinoyes I don't know where you could watch it, but it sounds like In memoria di me by Saverio Costanzo could be a movie you'll like. What do y'all think about the makeup here?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 9, 2021 19:17:33 GMT
...........Or we can both enjoy Ingmar Bergman and Carl Dreyer and Krzysztof Kieślowski movies on faith ......I mean movies about faith don't scare me......do they scare you? ............I mean you like Road To Perdition right? - That word IS a Christian word.......so you want the same thing ............movies about faith......which is basically how all things on here end up......matching what pacinoyes said, exactly, in the first place. Perdition: (in Christian theology) a state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.Amen But yeah, I don't think it comes down to a question of the stories themselves, but who is telling them, and what their aim is. Because yeah, you could have something meditative like Dreyer or Kieslowski or Bergman, but you also get Kirk Cameron and the God's Not Dead brood. We're repeating ourselves - we both agree there are not a bunch of movies made about Faith in America ..........and even less "serious" ones. Like I said: for every Eyes of Tammy Faye there may be a decent drama to be made about Ed Young too ......there HAS to be some drama in his story too right .........but I wouldn't hold my breath
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 9, 2021 19:33:49 GMT
No thank you. But you’re free to enjoy Kirk Cameron movies if you’d like. ...........Or we can both enjoy Ingmar Bergman and Carl Dreyer and Krzysztof Kieślowski movies on faith ......I mean movies about faith don't scare me......do they scare you? ............I mean you like Road To Perdition right? - That word IS a Christian word.......so you want the same thing ............movies about faith......which is basically how all things on here end up......matching what pacinoyes said, exactly, in the first place. Perdition: (in Christian theology) a state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.Amen Movies about faith don’t scare me, I just find the majority of faith-based movies aren’t my cup of tea. There are obvious exceptions to this, which are generally tied to the filmmaker themselves.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 9, 2021 19:43:58 GMT
The thing about films about faith is, they are reflections of the filmmaker probably more than any other genre. And the thing is, faith is so very hard to market to the general audiences. You will obviously have those predisposed to like it (the church crowds who will flock to see it with their entire congregation simply because it's a movie that relates to their religion positively), but there is a very fine line to walk between a film displaying religion and a film preaching it, and so often they fall into the latter category. And I'm not going to the films to watch a sermon on a faith I do not follow. Good points........I would say in the US this is actually becoming more of a thing politically (isn't everything?) - and you'll hear more about it outside this board in the next few years too...... I would argue culturally there's a very fine line to walk with a film displaying a social POV and preaching it - just like religion........I mean it was impossible to watch Judas and The Black Messiah without swallowing that the Black Panther party never killed anyone (um), watch Promising Young Female without swallowing a pretty extreme position (all men are either rapists, or enablers) or find anything positive regarding capitalism in Nomadland - and I like all of those films........they all made my top 10 ..........but they operate within the same parameters culturally as how we're "summing up religious film" here tbh....... I haven't seen any of the movies you listed yet, but I am finding it more and more common to make political movies a "religious" experience. By which I mean that the faithful will flock to it and the heathens will denounce it. The big one that disgusted me recently is HBO's Watchmen, which was a faith-affirming confirmation of "racism is bad" that never struggles with actually looking into racism and why it exists. But the whole discourse around the movie is that not liking it is racist because the show paints racists in such a negative light that YOU MUST BE A RACIST if you have an issue with how it portrays its racist characters. Watchmen is an utter disaster of a story that is both terrible on a narrative level (the protagonist is static and never makes decisions - the one time that she does make a decision, we never learn why) and on a thematic one. The thematic level is that it paints its racist villains as bad men but does nothing to address why they act the way they do, and merely makes them into cartoon villains. But they are the bad guys, so there is no point in trying to engage with them. This is why I like stories that are written from the opposite point of view of the author. I've spoken about theologian C.S. Lewis's Till We Have Faces on the favorite books thread recently, and how I admire that Lewis basically wrote it as an attack against his beliefs, which forced him to come up with counter-arguments that weren't just "God works in mysterious ways." The book is interesting because Lewis does such a good job of attacking God. I think that more writers should challenge their own belief systems in that fashion.
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Post by Javi on Jun 9, 2021 19:53:10 GMT
Speaking of scary things... that trailer does it for me. And I think Chastain is more likely to get a Razzie nom for it than an Oscar...
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 9, 2021 21:51:36 GMT
ah yes, the new David O' Russell project allegedly directed by Michael Showalter, how could we forget.
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Post by wonky on Jun 9, 2021 22:14:37 GMT
This is why I like stories that are written from the opposite point of view of the author. I've spoken about theologian C.S. Lewis's Till We Have Faces on the favorite books thread recently, and how I admire that Lewis basically wrote it as an attack against his beliefs, which forced him to come up with counter-arguments that weren't just "God works in mysterious ways." The book is interesting because Lewis does such a good job of attacking God. I think that more writers should challenge their own belief systems in that fashion. I know Kenneth Lonergan has talked about wanting to write a conservative play, as a way to challenge himself and to test his and others' tolerance for a right wing perspective presented as reasonably as possible. Would probably be interesting.
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Post by quetee on Jun 10, 2021 0:24:48 GMT
Based on footage alone, Cherry Jones appears to be the one that's going to score the nod.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jun 10, 2021 2:38:50 GMT
Good points........I would say in the US this is actually becoming more of a thing politically (isn't everything?) - and you'll hear more about it outside this board in the next few years too...... I would argue culturally there's a very fine line to walk with a film displaying a social POV and preaching it - just like religion........I mean it was impossible to watch Judas and The Black Messiah without swallowing that the Black Panther party never killed anyone (um), watch Promising Young Female without swallowing a pretty extreme position (all men are either rapists, or enablers) or find anything positive regarding capitalism in Nomadland - and I like all of those films........they all made my top 10 ..........but they operate within the same parameters culturally as how we're "summing up religious film" here tbh....... I haven't seen any of the movies you listed yet, but I am finding it more and more common to make political movies a "religious" experience. By which I mean that the faithful will flock to it and the heathens will denounce it. The big one that disgusted me recently is HBO's Watchmen, which was a faith-affirming confirmation of "racism is bad" that never struggles with actually looking into racism and why it exists. But the whole discourse around the movie is that not liking it is racist because the show paints racists in such a negative light that YOU MUST BE A RACIST if you have an issue with how it portrays its racist characters. Watchmen is an utter disaster of a story that is both terrible on a narrative level (the protagonist is static and never makes decisions - the one time that she does make a decision, we never learn why) and on a thematic one. The thematic level is that it paints its racist villains as bad men but does nothing to address why they act the way they do, and merely makes them into cartoon villains. But they are the bad guys, so there is no point in trying to engage with them. This is why I like stories that are written from the opposite point of view of the author. I've spoken about theologian C.S. Lewis's Till We Have Faces on the favorite books thread recently, and how I admire that Lewis basically wrote it as an attack against his beliefs, which forced him to come up with counter-arguments that weren't just "God works in mysterious ways." The book is interesting because Lewis does such a good job of attacking God. I think that more writers should challenge their own belief systems in that fashion. Yeah, WATCHMEN was quite overrated, but you ARE probably racist if you have a problem with the ACCURATE way it depicts its racist characters. Who cares WHY they are evil? Did SCHINDLER'S LIST explore why Amon Goath was such a sadistic killer who almost got off sexually on killing?? Nope.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 10, 2021 2:57:58 GMT
Yeah, WATCHMEN was quite overrated, but you ARE probably racist if you have a problem with the ACCURATE way it depicts its racist characters. Who cares WHY they are evil? Did SCHINDLER'S LIST explore why Aemon Goath was such a sadistic killer who almost got off sexually on killing?? Nope. I think it's more of a portrait of "this is here and now." Schindler's List had the comfortable cushion of "the past." Watchmen doesn't have that cushion, it is looking at people around right now and has a problem with their worldview (as it should!) but does nothing to meaningfully engage with that worldview. Jojo Rabbit was shit for the same reason: It looked at "Nazis" and laughed at them while making them seem like cartoonish thugs, never grappling with the true horror of their crimes. Watchmen simply says that they do bad things, but it doesn't have anything to say outside of that. In fact, it comes off as pretty damn pro-police to me: there are bad apples, they just need to be gotten rid of. There is no deeper issue here, there are just a few racists. Everything will be better once they're gone.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jun 10, 2021 3:31:50 GMT
She looks nothing like Tammy Faye and she's too physically imposing.......BUT .......she has the voice down and plays it marvelously there - at least in the trailer - that's a great trailer for how it plays the dramatics of it - there's movie reality and "real" reality and everyone wants "movie reality" because if you want "real" reality stand on the sidewalk and watch that exciting drama of boredom ........or something. Side note: Guess it's too much to ask for Hollywood to make a movie about Christians who are actually you know representative of faith and not scumbags........at least every once in a while, huh? I'd say the Mister Rogers one accounts for that
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 13, 2021 11:13:50 GMT
From the Rob Reiner school of movie makeup: Chastain looks fun though. I missed this one, somehow.. Looks pretty good, actually. I'm confident this could be Chastain's comeback vehicle.
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