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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 7, 2022 17:06:54 GMT
Well, I mean this is my 3rd post on the subject but just to be clear - that is NOT all he said - he said "you need to follow the rules" so if you saw Nadal say that - and it's been reprinted thousands of times online - and didn't know all the details of the case, you'd think Djoko had "broken the rules" (or did not play by the rules). He did not do either - he simply chose another path by the exact rules. The "correct" answer by Nadal would have been "I don't know the reasons why his visa was revoked - I have no further comment besides that" which works at press conferences and no matter how many times he's asked it. That's my problem - I think he's either stupid or he's disingenuous because the "simple" answer he gave was actually closer to "simplistic", incomplete and misleading imo. .............and again it is not "too much to ask" maybe for you and most people - me included (3 jabs currently) .......but it is to Djoko who in this case is the only one that matters along with the Australian government as a whole. I'm quite sure he does not regret not getting the vax - it's his issue, it's his hill, he's dying on it, in front of the whole world........... so be it....... But Djokovic didn't know the exact rules. Or to say it otherwise: Tennis Australia didn't send him the exact rules.
The rules stated that you can have an medical exemption - but this would again be controlled in Australia! So even when he boarded the plane in Nice or wherever he was, Djokovic had to know that there was still a chance he would fly to Australia for nothing.
That's one part. The second of course is, that Tennis Australia, which is mainly responsible that it came to this absurd situation, didn't clear these rules with the government. So Djokovic, and I believe he wanted to follow the rules, couldn't even follow them.
And no: I totally disagree with you. It is not too much to ask of Djokovic - except he has some medical problem, where the vaccine would be dangerous. And this he hasn't. Otherwise he could have presented it the Border Control in Australia. I don't care if he regrets it. But I care if somebody would get an exemption from the rules because of an absurd reason (obviously the main guilty here would be Tennis Australia again, because they offered a loophole).
You just cut Nadal more slack than I do ......that's all........but I've done my best to explain my issue with him in this matter. I have no real quarrel with your last paragraph in the general sense - merely that you or I or Djoko may all rationally dispute what is an "absurd reason" - and who knows maybe he'll only play in places that do not require a double vax going forward (looks like he can play France and defend that title that way, theoretically, link below - we'll see) - and perhaps it will be more clear after Monday's appeal which I'm sure Djoko will lose.........fine by me if he does...........um, "fair dinkum" I believe is the expression  www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/33011964/novak-djokovic-allowed-play-french-open-even-unvaccinated-france-sports-minister |
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 7, 2022 17:10:08 GMT
But Djokovic didn't know the exact rules. Or to say it otherwise: Tennis Australia didn't send him the exact rules.
The rules stated that you can have an medical exemption - but this would again be controlled in Australia! So even when he boarded the plane in Nice or wherever he was, Djokovic had to know that there was still a chance he would fly to Australia for nothing.
That's one part. The second of course is, that Tennis Australia, which is mainly responsible that it came to this absurd situation, didn't clear these rules with the government. So Djokovic, and I believe he wanted to follow the rules, couldn't even follow them.
And no: I totally disagree with you. It is not too much to ask of Djokovic - except he has some medical problem, where the vaccine would be dangerous. And this he hasn't. Otherwise he could have presented it the Border Control in Australia. I don't care if he regrets it. But I care if somebody would get an exemption from the rules because of an absurd reason (obviously the main guilty here would be Tennis Australia again, because they offered a loophole).
You just cut Nadal more slack than I do ......that's all........but I've done my best to explain my issue with him in this matter. I have no real quarrel with your last paragraph in the general sense - merely that you or I or Djoko may all rationally dispute what is an "absurd reason" - and who knows maybe he'll only play in places that do not require a double vax going forward (looks like he can play France and defend that title that way, theoretically, link below - we'll see) - and perhaps it will be more clear after Monday's appeal which I'm sure Djoko will lose.........fine by me if he does...........um, "fair dinkum" I believe is the expression  www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/33011964/novak-djokovic-allowed-play-french-open-even-unvaccinated-france-sports-ministerI see. I just think you are making too much out of a few words.
Yeah I just couldn't find a better word than "absurd" quickly. English isn't my first language as well. Let's say insufficient.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 10, 2022 8:25:01 GMT
Ok, so Djoko can play right? Ummmmmmmm I feel I have a funny series of Djokes (um) to make about "kangaroo" courts in Australia (too easy), Nicole Kidman's (absurd) Golden Globe win and this being a reckoning of THAT injustice, and a big "hahahahaha get fucked mate .........to Scott Morrison" appparently he may be RE-ARRESTED .......Stay classy Australia...... Edit: "4 hours" below is incorrect btw......they can do it whenever......if they want to .............because courts, who needs 'em....... Oliver Brown @oliverbrown_tel Significant police presence at the office of Djokovic's lawyers on Collins St, Melbourne. White vans heading into underground car park. Reports that Australian federal police heading in to arrest him. Immigration minister has four hours in which to re-cancel his visa.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 10, 2022 8:59:18 GMT
Huge police forces. Is he a war criminal?
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Post by ibbi on Jan 10, 2022 12:57:25 GMT
Huge police forces. Is he a war criminal? His crazies surrounding the offices mobbed a car that came out of the building. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 10, 2022 15:03:03 GMT
So let me see if I have this straight ...... Djokovic - who doesn't have Covid, is not a threat to anyone (I mean, not yet!), and presented the antibodies totals in his blood for fncksake and.......did everything within his absolutely 100% legal rights to stay in Australia.......and presented evidence to the court and beat the government in that court (which is yet another court he's better on than Nadal on - kidding, kidding - these jokes write themselves tbh  ) now we maybe have to kick him out tomorrow like fascist dickheads........... AND I have to hear from this dangerous wackjob today who coincidentally couldn't win in a court and won't admit that either. "knowingly exposed others"...........what in Serbia you hysterical nutcase......kick him out of Serbia then dumbass.......... and I and all movie fans judge you for knowingly exposing us to some horrific acting for your post- 1992 cinematic atrocities Mia you fncking loon........ Mia Farrow
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 10, 2022 18:41:17 GMT
Huge police forces. Is he a war criminal? His crazies surrounding the offices mobbed a car that came out of the building. They came to arrest him, not to face his fans. Disorders came later. |
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Post by ibbi on Jan 10, 2022 18:51:38 GMT
His crazies surrounding the offices mobbed a car that came out of the building. They came to arrest him, not to face his fans. Disorders came later. Nobody came to arrest him. That's a myth, probably conjured up by the same lunatics who think he is the Spartacus of the new world. |
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 10, 2022 19:25:06 GMT
They came to arrest him, not to face his fans. Disorders came later. Nobody came to arrest him. That's a myth, probably conjured up by the same lunatics who think he is the Spartacus of the new world. Why sending the police, if he was free to go to his hotel? Fans weren't a threat to him. This whole matter could have been handled before Djokovic took an airplane to Australia with way less troubles. |
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Post by ibbi on Jan 10, 2022 19:48:47 GMT
Nobody came to arrest him. That's a myth, probably conjured up by the same lunatics who think he is the Spartacus of the new world. Why sending the police, if he was free to go to his hotel? Fans weren't a threat to him. This whole matter could have been handled before Djokovic took an airplane to Australia with way less troubles. There was a large crowd of people in the street, I'd guess that's why the police was there. Seems pretty standard practice to me, but I only tend to go in for the high end conspiracy theories. The situation is obviously a joke, yes. What are you gonna do? Bunch of rich fucks try to game the system, and it blew up in all their faces. |
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 10, 2022 20:11:12 GMT
ibbiNow people are calling him Novax Djokovid. Nomen est omen...
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Post by themoviesinner on Jan 11, 2022 8:49:12 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 11, 2022 16:05:01 GMT
Top seeds announced : 2022 Singles Seeds 1. Novak Djokovic (Serbia) 2. Daniil Medvedev (Russia) 3. Alexander Zverev (Germany) 4. Stefanos Tsitsipas (Greece) 5. Andrey Rublev (Russia) 6. Rafael Nadal (Spain) 7. Matteo Berrettini (Italy) 8. Casper Ruud (Norway) 9. Felix Auger-Aliassime (Canada) 10. Hubert Hurkacz (Poland) For the ladies ......Osaka way down at 13....  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 12, 2022 21:49:18 GMT
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 13, 2022 7:08:23 GMT
So, they paired Djokovic to another Serbian player...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 13, 2022 21:16:38 GMT
It's early AM in Australia atm - seems Twitter is running wild currently that a decision will come today and if Djoko makes it though today he will stay.......or something.
Oy vey what a mess.....at this point he has to be going nuts.....can't even imagine he can just turn it on and compete successfully here......
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 14, 2022 7:28:53 GMT
Djokovic 's visa has been revoked.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 14, 2022 8:39:05 GMT
Djokovic is vile.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 14, 2022 9:09:14 GMT
Like I said, you don't get the right to play in a tournament that doesn't want you there Djoko - everybody looks awful in this situation - Djoker, Australia, the Open and as always is the case one guy looks better all the time.......... Medvedev rises all the time Will be interesting to see who steps up if Medvedev doesn't though...... |
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 16, 2022 7:42:30 GMT
Djokovic has been expelled and will have to leave Australia.
He'll be substituted in the tournament by Salvatore Caruso (Italian player, number 150 in the ranking). 🇮🇹
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 17, 2022 10:45:03 GMT
So after that farce is over let's focus on the essential: Tennis!
Munar is giving last years surprising semifinalist, who has since manifested himself as a good player, Aslan Karatsev a good match.
My picks for the semifinals:
Zverev def. Alcaraz
Medvedev def. Sinner
Final:
Medvedev def. Zverev
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 17, 2022 19:43:26 GMT
I would like to see Felix Auger-Aliassime really step up and push Medvedev - no one is really looking at him but I'd like to see him carve out his own mark for once instead of just showing "flashes" of brilliance .......the GOAT being out I believe helps the loudmouth, one court wonder gimp - who STILL can't shut up about Djoko (that's how I'll refer to him unless he wins btw ) .... Zverev seems likely to come out of that side but can't write off that "other guy" to make it out ......though his likely lesser endurance due to mostly recent inactivity and the pace of the young guns seems a lot to overcome ........ |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 19, 2022 12:09:30 GMT
US Open runner-up Leylah Fernandez and men's top 10ish Hubert Hurkacz out already.......
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 19, 2022 12:29:55 GMT
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 20, 2022 9:23:58 GMT
Yeah, this different treatment can't really because of one is one of it's sports most famous athletes and the other one is a "journeywoman".  Hwo typical.
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) now we maybe have to kick him out tomorrow like fascist dickheads...........AND I have to hear from this dangerous wackjob today who coincidentally couldn't win in a court and won't admit that either.
