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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 12, 2020 11:04:57 GMT
Sort of surprised we've never had this thread but I can't seem to find evidence of it, so here it goes.......
I just posted about the poetic qualities of Van Morrison in the music thread and to me poetry is actually more important than long form fiction writing or at least it equals my favorite individual books (A Fan's Notes, The Stranger) - T.S. Eliot and Dylan Thomas in particular - I can pick up things they've written and sort of get lost in them over and over again - so who or what are some that affect you or move you the most.
Simon Armitage, a Brit, who is not only a genuine great poet, is alive right now, and under 60 too. This one below, about suicide and the crass exploitation of peoples suffering in the guise of a standup comic routine, is one I love - and again, it's modern too.
He often is screamingly funny and heartbreaking sad with one or two lines of a poem - quite a gift.
I Say, I Say, I Say - Simon Armitage
Anyone here had a go at themselves for a laugh? Anyone opened their wrists with a blade in the bath?
Those in the dark at the back, listen hard. Those at the front in the know, those of us who have, hands up, let's show that inch of lacerated skin between the forearm and the fist.
Let's tell it like it is: strong drink, a crimson tidemark round the tub, a yard of lint, white towels washed a dozen times, still pink. Tough luck. A passion then for watches, bangles, cuffs.
A likely story: you were lashed by brambles picking berries from the woods. Come clean, come good, repeat with me the punch line 'Just like blood' ............when those at the back rush forward to say how a little love goes a long long long way.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 12, 2020 11:56:29 GMT
I miss Veritas Quo for these threads...
Gaius Valerius Catullus. Obviously it makes sense if you can read his poems in Latin.
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 12, 2020 19:41:31 GMT
As they say in The Little Rascals, "Learn that poem!"
My three favs are from the heavy hitters - "Alone" by Poe, Shakespeare's Sonnet 121, and TS Eliot's The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock (as Owen Wilson says in Midnight in Paris, "Prufrock is my mantra!")
the Poe
From childhood’s hour I have not been As others were—I have not seen As others saw—I could not bring My passions from a common spring— From the same source I have not taken My sorrow—I could not awaken My heart to joy at the same tone— And all I lov’d—I lov’d alone— Then—in my childhood—in the dawn Of a most stormy life—was drawn From ev’ry depth of good and ill The mystery which binds me still— From the torrent, or the fountain— From the red cliff of the mountain— From the sun that ’round me roll’d In its autumn tint of gold— From the lightning in the sky As it pass’d me flying by— From the thunder, and the storm— And the cloud that took the form (When the rest of Heaven was blue) Of a demon in my view—
Sonnet 121
’Tis better to be vile than vile esteemed When not to be receives reproach of being, And the just pleasure lost, which is so deemed Not by our feeling but by others' seeing. For why should others’ false adulterate eyes Give salutation to my sportive blood? Or on my frailties why are frailer spies, Which in their wills count bad that I think good? No, I am that I am; and they that level At my abuses reckon up their own: I may be straight though they themselves be bevel; By their rank thoughts my deeds must not be shown, Unless this general evil they maintain: All men are bad and in their badness reign.
and one much lesser known, From Third Avenue On published 1915 by Djuna Barnes
And now she walks on out turned feet Beside the litter in the street Or rolls beneath a dirty sheet Within the town. She does not stir to doff her dress, She does not kneel low to confess, A little conscience, no distress And settles down.
Ah God! she settles down we say; It means her powers slip away It means she draws back day by day From good or bad. And so she looks upon the floor Or listens at an open door Or lies her down, upturned to snore Both loud and sad.
Or sits beside the chinaware, Sits mouthing meekly in a chair, With over-curled, hard waving hair Above her eyes. Or grins too vacant into space— A vacant space is in her face— Where nothing came to take the place Of high hard cries.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 2:48:18 GMT
The Romantic poets - mainly Byron, Tennyson, and especially Keats, who is my favorite.
And still she slept an azure-lidded sleep...
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 13, 2020 18:03:09 GMT
Good question. And as most of those it's one where I can't find a definitive answer. I'm admittedly not really a connoisseur of poetry and never spend much time reading poets, only occassionally, therefore only knowing a handful from most notable poets. However a few were I really liked their works a lot: Friedrich Schiller Alfred, Lord Tennyson Charles Baudelaire Edgar Allan Poe Rainer Maria Rilke
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Post by stephen on Jan 13, 2020 22:00:04 GMT
In terms of modern poetry, I'm rather fond of James Dickey.
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 13, 2020 22:51:39 GMT
Louis Jenkins a prose poet, passed away last month - I didn't know until today looking him up. Known perhaps for his association and friendship with Mark Rylance who "performed" two of his poems during his Tony acceptance speeches - here's a great one called Backcountry:
I have a Jenkins collection called Winter Road that I like - his work is simple, dry, wry, and wonderful. Here's another one called Flight:
Past mishaps might be attributed to an incomplete understanding of the laws of aerodynamics or perhaps even to a more basic failure of the imagination, but were to be expected. Remember, this is solo flight unencumbered by bicycle parts, aluminum and nylon or even feathers. A tour de force, really. There's a lot of running and flapping involved and as you get older and heavier, a lot more huffing and puffing. But on a bright day like today with a strong headwind blowing up from the sea, when, having slipped the surly bonds of common sense and knowing she is watching, waiting in breathless anticipation, you send yourself hurtling down the long, green slope to the cliffs, who knows? You might just make it.
I actually bumped into Rylance after seeing his Richard III and chatted with him about Jenkins for a bit - he really lit up about his work, "Isn't he wonderful?? Doesn't he make you laugh?? " were his exact words.
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 18, 2020 3:25:40 GMT
Two by Donald Justice --
The Grandfathers
Why will they never sleep, The old ones, the grandfathers? Always you find them sitting On ruined porches, deep In the back country, at dusk, Hawking and spitting. They might have sat there forever, Tapping their sticks, Peevish discredited gods. Ask of the traveller how, at road-end they will fix You maybe with a cold Eye of a snake or a bird And answer not a word, Only these black, oracular Head-shakes or head-nods.
To the Unknown Lady Who Wrote the Letters Found in the Hatbox
What, was there never any news? And were your weathers always fine, Your colds all common, and your blues Too minor to deserve one line?
Between the lines it must have hurt To see the neighborhood go down, Your neighbor in his undershirt At dusk come out to mow the lawn.
But whom to turn to to complain, Unless it might be your canaries, And only in bird language then? While slowly into mortuaries
The many-storied houses went Or in deep, cataracted eyes Displayed their signs of want: FOR RENT And MADAM ROXIE WILL ADVISE.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 19, 2020 22:28:28 GMT
Suicide in The Trenches - Siegfried Sassoon
I knew a simple soldier boy Who grinned at life in empty joy, Slept soundly through the lonesome dark, And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum, With crumps and lice and lack of rum, He put a bullet through his brain. No one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye Who cheer when soldier lads march by, Sneak home and pray you'll never know The hell where youth and laughter go
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 23, 2020 0:14:05 GMT
Shakespeare's Sonnet 129 is the GOAT short poem and it's not close.
For longer stuff, Wordsworth's The Prelude is absolutely astonishing. Dante's Divine Comedy. Parts of Paradise Lost.
Mid-sized stuff...Milton's Lycidas. Thomas Carew's A Rapture. Keats' Hyperion fragments. Rosetti's The Stream's Secret. So much good shit.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 26, 2020 23:01:01 GMT
The Second Coming by William Butler Yeats
A very famous poem, a very great one too, particularly when the world seems about to go mad - politically, ethically - and one of the great single poetic lines, ever: "the ceremony of innocence is drowned"
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 13, 2020 20:44:17 GMT
She made a good go........for a weeping willow........one of my faves from the often incredible Sylvia Plath. 
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 23, 2020 21:07:48 GMT
Tom Waits reads the best Bukowski poem, for your pleasure:
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Post by ibbi on Feb 25, 2020 13:24:24 GMT
Inventory by Dorothy Parker
Four be the things I am wiser to know: Idleness, sorrow, a friend, and a foe.
Four be the things I’d been better without: Love, curiosity, freckles, and doubt.
Three be the things I shall never attain: Envy, content, and sufficient champagne.
Three be the things I shall have till I die: Laughter and hope and a sock in the eye.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 14:59:46 GMT
Edna St. Vincent Millay -
First Fig
My candle burns at both ends; It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light!
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 12, 2020 22:09:11 GMT
Arthur Rimbaud who achieved the grand trifecta of any poet - people still read him, he was Jim Morrison's idol and Leonardo DiCaprio played him in a film. "Royalty" One fine morning, in the country of a very gentle people, a magnificent man and woman were shouting in the public square. “My friends, I want her to be queen!” “I want to be queen!” She was laughing and trembling. He spoke to their friends of revelation, of trials completed. They swooned against each other. In fact they were regents for a whole morning as crimson hangings were raised against the houses, and for the whole afternoon, as they moved toward groves of palm trees.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 13, 2020 20:53:26 GMT
We Real Cool - Gwendolyn Brooks
The Pool Players. Seven at the Golden Shovel.
We real cool. We Left school. We
Lurk late. We Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We Die soon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 5:43:54 GMT
So saying he made a signal to the seamen, and straightway they weighed anchor and cast the ship loose from its moorings, and they moved eastward.
And a cry came from the people as from a single heart, and it rose into the dusk and was carried out over the sea like a great trumpeting.
Only Almitra was silent, gazing after 107the ship until it had vanished into the mist.
And when all the people were dispersed she still stood alone upon the sea-wall, remembering in her heart his saying,
“A little while, a moment of rest upon the wind, and another woman shall bear me.”The Prophetby Kahlil Gibran All of The Prophet is mesmerizing, but the final poem ties everything so well. www.gutenberg.org/files/58585/58585-h/58585-h.htm
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 14, 2020 19:05:35 GMT
Not poetry-literate at all sadly and this is the most higschool-level answer ever, but you can't go wrong with Frost's "The Road Not Taken." I love its ambiguous tone. You can really project anything you want on this poem.
"I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Is that a sigh of regret or nostalgia? Maybe contentment in the feeling that he made the right choice or anxiety at the thought of all the roads he missed. "That has made all the difference." For better or worse? Whenever I read that line I feel like it's for the better. In a weird way this poem reminds me of why I love Picnic at Hanging Rock so much, because beneath the plot and mystery elements there's a clear sense of moving beyond something, of becoming extricated from a previous existence, and I find that to be a freeing and beautiful thought. I get the same sense from the last line in Frost's poem. That he took the road "less traveled by" makes all the difference indeed.
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 19, 2020 0:07:36 GMT
Sonnet- Silence by Poe
There are some qualities- some incorporate things, That have a double life, which thus is made A type of that twin entity which springs From matter and light, evinced in solid and shade. There is a two-fold Silence- sea and shore- Body and soul. One dwells in lonely places, Newly with grass o'ergrown; some solemn graces, Some human memories and tearful lore, Render him terrorless: his name's "No More." He is the corporate Silence: dread him not! No power hath he of evil in himself; But should some urgent fate (untimely lot!) Bring thee to meet his shadow (nameless elf, That haunteth the lone regions where hath trod No foot of man,) commend thyself to God!
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 26, 2020 22:47:18 GMT
Love this one by Charles Willeford.......
"Perforce"
Am I the guilty stone in the avalanche? Did I take the other road? The grinning violence of a small death I revitalize in half-blind driving, Marking ghostly landmarks, haze-hidden points, Unclosed parentheses, indelible sitzmarks— Unlimited tolls.
But this one, I know, is a toll-free call, A long distance surprise like a pressed flower In a calf-bound dictionary Between “Corinth” and “Cornucopia.”
So I will inch painfully down The splintered pole of memory Where we can meet each other again, When I was more unaware than wary.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2020 14:13:23 GMT
Patrick Stewart has been reading/acting a sonnet a day during the pandemic - pretty cool.
Sonnet 29 Shakespeare:
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Post by pacinoyes on May 17, 2020 16:55:39 GMT
Worlds best living actor contender - UK version - Anthony Hopkins reads Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night:
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 22, 2020 14:12:44 GMT
Michael Caine reads "If" and blows the line "don't look too good, nor talk too wise" by saying "look" twice and omitting "talk"......fncking hack. 
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 29, 2021 0:02:21 GMT
Famous one from the early 1800s that reads almost like a pop song...
Jenny Kiss'd Me by Leigh Hunt
Jenny kiss'd me when we met, Jumping from the chair she sat in; Time, you thief, who love to get Sweets into your list, put that in! Say I'm weary, say I'm sad, Say that health and wealth have miss'd me, Say I'm growing old, but add Jenny kiss'd me.
It's mentioned in Samuel R Delany's book About Writing, it's quoted in The Fugitive episode of The Twilight Zone, and recited by Welles at the outro of his unsold talk show pilot The Orson Welles Show that I can't find online anymore!
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