House votes to impeach Trump

There are two ways Impeachment will actually cause more problems for the DNC

1. The vote is brought to the Senate and will obviously be shot down, embarrassing the DNC, disappointing so many, and feeling like a giant waste of time.

2. He SOMEHOW is voted out by the Senate, Pence becomes new President Elect which is worse. Trump runs again and wins.

Tomorrow, millions of Americans will finally know what the word impeach means when Trump's ass is still there.

Nothing.

god these are really weird and depressing times.

I still don't see Trump winning again regardless of the impeachment aftermath (or lack thereof). Does he really have more fans now than he did in 2016 (where he lost the popular vote btw)? Whereas I think many liberals/ left moderates were so blase about Hilary and not cognizant of what a Trump presidency would mean that a lot of them stayed home or voted third party, I think in 2020 the democratic base is going to be more fired up than ever to get him out of office. It's now basically a partisan street fight and the people that hate Trump outweigh his fanatical voter base (not by much, but there is a concrete majority). I really think there will be a vastly more concerted effort to beat him in 2020 than there was in 2016. Also important to note that Obama's approval rating was well over 50% when he was re-elected in 2012 and Bush's was over 60% in 2004 while Trump's ratings hit a ceiling of 45% in his first week and has largely been in the low-40s since. As long as the DNC picks the right candidate (probably Biden) we should be looking at a blue presidency next year.

I can tell you I'd never vote for him but he is more popular now imo because now he has a record - and the record is in the ways that matter to a lot of people impressive - best economy maybe ever - full employment more or less, booming 401K's..........no wars.........he "killed" the top terrorist in the world with no US casualties (this matters a lot to a lot of people - and has been virtually ignored) .....and he put the judges on all courts (not just the Supreme Court) that he said he would.

I just don't think any of those Democratic candidates can stand up to him on a one to one vote and he wins while losing the popular vote by more than he did before too but that of course never matters because NY/CA are so disproportionate Democrat.

We very rarely remove Presidents with only a 1 term vote ...........Jimmy Carter ........Bush #1 who was there for 12 years as VP included. I just don't see it unless he shoots himself in the foot........which is possible of course, daily.

It’s not just that these 2 scenarios will cause more problems for the Dems. These are the only 2 scenarios that exist.

Let’s not forget that pretty much every Dem who played hardball on Kavanaugh who was up for re-election got voted out. The Senate seat you picked up in Arizona was anti-Trumper Jeff Flake’s seat and most of the House gains were also ousted anti-Trump Republicans.

The last poll I saw was him beat every major Dem candidate in these states (USA today) poll - now that's just one poll but - polls should have him trounced right now, this is his low point - they don't at worst , he is at least competitive, and he underperforms in polling anyway we already know. That's bad sign to me -  only Biden is a threat imo  and I expect Biden to descend soon - there's a reason that he's on his 3rd Presidential campaign 

I wish I had better news but I don't see anything to spin positive on the Democratic side.  I said it in the other thread Impeachment is the US Brexit but more importantly it is amazing that in 2016 they ran the only Democratic candidate who Trump could beat, and now 4 years later they can't find a single candidate to beat him (Biden being the exception but again, I see him faltering).

There is a lot of things I can say about this, but I find it too ridiculous to say anything here.

Fact is, Liberals don't have much power in this country. They can getogether as much as they want. Their groupie chatter and protests mean nothing. Grown-up minded members of Congress aren't gonna take a 12-week assembled campaign seriously. Just because you don't like someone and you decide to launch a local protest against one person doesn't mean anyone cares. It took years for a collective case against Nixon and Clinton, and in the end Clinton remained President.

Bottom line, liberals like to imagine their little world where everyone hates Trump - when they've never even visited an average American home. They're hanging onto their small hopes that this supposed 'collective' hate of Trump in this country exists immense enough to where one day it would remove him from office. Again, they attempt to speak for the feelings of everyone else they're certain shares the same disapproval and discomfort that they do about the President.

Predicting what people like and dislike is the job of Amazon marketing executives and CEOs. I wouldn't leave it to 14-17 year old eastern suburban liberals who are precocious to say 1st, groupie to say 2nd, white-collar chatter 'intellectuals' to say 3rd, heavily biased to say 4th, highly raised by the opinions of their parents to say 5th.

I watch Fox News 3 times per year.  Nothing I say sounds like what FoxNews talks about.  I'm simply calling things as it is. 

This looks like a stupid local protest to me.  Notice how the attempt to remove someone of higher power than them were all by Democrats.   Isn't it obvious enough that it's biased and not credible?

Besides, I also question the credibility of the House of Representatives.  They hold a government position, but I wonder how many of them actually should be there. 

@tyler - You believe what you want to believe. But fact is, there is a lot of finger pointing here. No idea what you think of Biden. But you can also conspire to say that he tried to suppress Trump from winning the election. The guy is crooked to the bone.   We can put him on the spot too, but we're not doing that... right?

You're probably already taking a side here "Trump is guilty." Of course you and I can have a differing interpretation on this, but so far there is a lot of interpretation going on here, and I can easily interpret this as Democrats trying to make hay by seizing an opportunity to get rid of Trump. So yes, biased political coup sounds logical to me. They can even twist the facts to make it into what they want to make it into.

I've yet to hear one thing that would make me believe this would lead to impeachment. There's no direct conclusion or criminal act here. There's nothing like he asked 6 people to break into the Watergate hotel and steal some valuable information.

What Trump did was deny much-needed military aid to Ukraine until the President of Ukraine agreed to begin an investigation into Joe Biden's ties to a Ukrainian company and announce the investigation publicly. The aid continued to be withheld until after the whistle was blown. 

If Trump had real concerns about the Bidens and Ukraine, he should have reported them to the American intelligence agencies. 

Obviously having Joe Biden testify is not germane to the actual investigation at hand. It's a separate issue that can be taken up at another time. (If it is indeed an actual issue.)

Yes, NATO recognizes Ukraine as an aspiring member.

And that's fine that you want an investigation into Biden, but you understand that it would be separate from the investigation into Trump's handling of military aid, right? And you also understand that Trump blocked members of his staff from testifying before the House (after they received Congressional subpoenas) and withheld pertinent documents to the House's investigation?