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Post by Mattsby on Nov 15, 2018 22:13:11 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 15, 2018 22:23:28 GMT
Shame is the best Bergman film (which means it's a must buy and one of the best ever) from his most go for broke, exciting period (Persona, Hour of the Wolf, Shame, The Rite in a row - wtf kind of wackadoodle genius is that?!?!).
I like the other 3 more than just a little and Death in Venice is a great Bogarde performance and one that uses silence and observation to dazzling effect. I always thought John Hurt in Love and Death On Long Island gives an homage performance that requires that they are watched in tandem.
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Post by Martin Stett on Nov 15, 2018 22:31:53 GMT
I despise Death in Venice with every fiber of my being, and I haven't seen the others.
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 15, 2018 22:33:31 GMT
You forgot the Berlin Alexanderplatz blu-ray upgrade... Not a new title, same extras, just a Blu upgrade.
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 15, 2018 22:50:55 GMT
Shame - new Liv Ullmann interview too! Agree with pacinoyes it's Bergman's greatest - utterly powerful stuff, perfectly made. Somehow it didn't even get the Top 5 most votes in the recent poll, but it's actually way more accessible than Cries & Whispers imo but that one always gets voted higher in these things. Hmmm.... Death in Venice - superbly made, disturbing and even more so bc of its lush, painterly patience. Not my favorite Visconti - that's Ossessione which deserves a lot more attention (do it up, Criterion!) for its intersection of neorealism and noir. Haven't seen the other two but I'm a Clouzot fan so I'll def check out La Verite.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 23:01:03 GMT
Shame is really great, although not one of my very favorites from Bergman. Pretty sure if I ranked all the ones I've seen right now it'd come in at 8th or 9th place.
I don't know much about Visconti - only seen The Leopard, which was exceptional - but Death in Venice is on my watchlist.
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Post by Film Socialism on Nov 15, 2018 23:57:27 GMT
my 2nd fave visconti on a format that will actually improve his film nicee
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Post by JangoB on Nov 15, 2018 23:57:35 GMT
- YES! A work of art which really needed a Blu-Ray upgrade. Can't wait to revisit it in all its restored glory.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 14, 2018 22:29:14 GMT
www.criterion.com/shop/browse?popular=coming-soonWanda (1970, Barbara Loden) I Wanna Hold Your Hand (1978, Robert Zemeckis) The Magic Flute (1975, Ingmar Bergman) The Kid Brother (1927, Ted Wilde) Detour (1945, Edgar G Ulmer) Japón (2002, Carlos Reygadas) Which have you seen? Thoughts on 'em?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 14, 2018 22:33:10 GMT
I really want to see Wanda. Barbara Loden was exceptional in Splendor in the Grass but I haven't seen any of her own films yet. Heard of Magic Flute obviously (Criterion really is on a Bergman streak lately) but I haven't heard of any of these others. Will have to look them up.
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Post by SeanJoyce on Dec 14, 2018 22:35:41 GMT
Detour is a milestone release for Criterion; can't wait for it. And that cover
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 14, 2018 22:35:43 GMT
oh I guess I have heard of Detour too. I read about it in Ebert's Great Books a few years ago but it didn't look that interesting to me at the time.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 14, 2018 22:58:09 GMT
Detour is a nice addition
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 14, 2018 23:47:52 GMT
www.criterion.com/shop/browse?popular=coming-soonWanda (1970, Barbara Loden) I Wanna Hold Your Hand (1978, Robert Zebecks) The Magic Flute (1975, Ingmar Bergman) The Kid Brother (1927, Ted Wilde) Detour (1945, Edgar G Ulmer) Japón (2002, Carlos Reygadas) Which have you seen? Thoughts on 'em? I've seen all of those except The Kid Brother and I'd say Wanda and Detour are the picks here - Wanda is a pivotal American film in the way I just argued Husbands (same year) in the Cassavetes thread is. It's a downer but it's a believable one, it makes a great downer-double with The Rain People - not sure I'd own it myself, but you can say a lot about it and study it, it's a great addition. Detour is important for how it starts and ends - for a very short film it's a little dodgy in the middle parts and on a technical level it's rather weak - so in that way it's like the Blues or Punk - the aesthetic weakness becomes a badge of honor because of what it says. It's that sort of American Dream gone sour kind of film but with all the romance and slickness of Hollywood drained out of it - usually that stuff happened in revisionist films, here it's happening in its time. When it ends, you think it's the perfect film in the time to match Thompson or Goodis. Like to a certain guy in that time who read those writers you probably hated movies because they were removed from you .............but Detour is one of the first Hollywood movies that actually speaks the "truth" in that way - and places you in the middle - swift and brutal. Postman Always Rings Twice before it and Double Indemnity after it are the only ones that sort of get at its dark heart, but still great films that they are - better films even - aren't quite the same thing.
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 15, 2018 2:22:04 GMT
Detour has no reason to be on criterion but Japon is a sick inclusion
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Post by SeanJoyce on Dec 15, 2018 6:46:41 GMT
You're a piece of shit contrarian who moonlights as a fuckin' retard.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 15, 2018 11:09:18 GMT
Japón is fantastic, very glad to see it here. Wanda has been very interesting to me for a while, gotta see that. And Detour as well.
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 15, 2018 15:49:22 GMT
You're a piece of shit contrarian who moonlights as a fuckin' retard. lol what i love the film and would probably put it in my top 5 noirs but i don't see how a grimy, lo fi z-grade noir would benefit from that presentation. criterion can do so many awesome things and this just seems kind of nonessential
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 15, 2018 16:35:56 GMT
In some ways Detour gets into the other thread about Arrow films and whether Arrow is topping them with a film like this. I mean that Detour trailer looks f'n amazing (and SeanJoyce that's a great cover) - you can feel the booze and the gasoline and the 4 days of beard growth and the ........um, booze. But if this was an Arrow release you could connect it to say another noir Phantom Lady - on Arrow natch and a great package - while Criterion amused themselves and their audience with I dunno, the release of the obscure 1969 film Bergman made of a bird haunted by his faith and the impending doom of Autumn while the flock wonders whether their singing is even heard by their Creator. No, that movie doesn't exist But I'm just saying Detour is maybe a sign that they may start going in a more Arrow direction - they have some overlap already (DePalma!) - so could be interesting going forward.
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 15, 2018 17:35:14 GMT
also that Detour cover is indeed sick and that Japon one is cool but like entirely misleading
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 15, 2018 17:36:59 GMT
In some ways Detour gets into the other thread about Arrow films and whether Arrow is topping them with a film like this. I mean that Detour trailer looks f'n amazing (and SeanJoyce that's a great cover) - you can feel the booze and the gasoline and the 4 days of beard growth and the ........um, booze. But if this was an Arrow release you could connect it to say another noir Phantom Lady - on Arrow natch and a great package - while Criterion amused themselves and their audience with I dunno, the release of the obscure 1969 film Bergman made of a bird haunted by his faith and the impending doom of Autumn while the flock wonders whether their singing is even heard by their Creator. No, that movie doesn't exist But I'm just saying Detour is maybe a sign that they may start going in a more Arrow direction - they have some overlap already (DePalma!) - so could be interesting going forward. Damn, that Bergman movie sounded awesome. I was hyped. It actually sounds like it could be a great animated film in a contemplative Mamoru Oshii mode sort of mode.
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Post by hilderic on Dec 15, 2018 18:20:11 GMT
I really want to see Wanda. Barbara Loden was exceptional in Splendor in the Grass but I haven't seen any of her own films yet. Heard of Magic Flute obviously (Criterion really is on a Bergman streak lately) but I haven't heard of any of these others. Will have to look them up. Isn't Wanda her only film? And I think all the editions of Detour currently available are uniformly terrible, so Criterion using its might (to good effect, judging from the trailer) is very good news.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 15, 2018 18:23:47 GMT
I really want to see Wanda. Barbara Loden was exceptional in Splendor in the Grass but I haven't seen any of her own films yet. Heard of Magic Flute obviously (Criterion really is on a Bergman streak lately) but I haven't heard of any of these others. Will have to look them up. Isn't Wanda her only film? I thought she had done more but I guess not. All the more reason to watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 19:25:12 GMT
‘Wanda’ is one of Huppert’s favorite films - I’ve really wanted to see it ever since I heard her talking of it. Can’t wait to finally be able to!
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 15, 2018 23:51:57 GMT
oh yeah Wanda is good and people who give a shit about acting will probably like it more than me
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