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Post by ibbi on Dec 2, 2019 18:09:07 GMT
I enjoyed it a bunch. The whole cast is good with the little bits they get to do, but Craig really just is a fucking blast. This is a broad caricature of comic ridiculousness on par with Finney in Murder on the Orient Express, except here it matches the tone of the movie to a tee. The house is incredible, reminded me some of Sleuth, and the little touches like the plate passing and the Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Brazil thing were all he needed to get his further point across. I still think Ready or Not was a better version of a similar thing this year, and this is not for me on par with Brick which remains my favourite of his transposing of old genre into modern environments, but I liked it.
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Post by stephen on Dec 2, 2019 18:11:12 GMT
I enjoyed it a bunch. The whole cast is good with the little bits they get to do, but Craig really just is a fucking blast. This is a broad caricature of comic ridiculousness on par with Finney in Murder on the Orient Express, except here it matches the tone of the movie to a tee. The house is incredible, reminded me some of Sleuth, and the little touches like the plate passing and the Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Brazil thing were all he needed to get his further point across. I still think Ready or Not was a better version of a similar thing this year, and this is not for me on par with Brick which remains my favourite of his transposing of old genre into modern environments, but I liked it. I just watched Ready or Not (which I adored) and I have to agree with this -- that movie had the tone and energy that Knives Out really needed. But maybe it's because I was hoping it would be a locked-room murder mystery movie where paranoia causes the family to turn on each other in increasingly more violent, hilarious ways.
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Post by michael128 on Dec 4, 2019 4:54:45 GMT
What was the thing with the plate
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 4, 2019 5:00:22 GMT
What was the thing with the plate Believe he's referring to the scene where Don Johnson's going on his MAGA tirade about immigrants and in the middle of it he sort of subconsciously hands his cleared plate to Marta (implying that he views her as a servant, despite the fact that that's not her job) and she takes it from him. Very subtle and clever little moment.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 5, 2019 21:17:44 GMT
Just saw it. Really fun and in times a bit touching. But not really a whodunit, it was more of a "find the suspect" mystery film.
Not many surprises, not a great twist at the end (not too hard to guess it) with many very good performances. Especially AdA and Craig.
Halfway through, you already know who done it but it still keep your interest. It works much better if you see it as a satire to Poirot's Orient Express.
My ranking of the cast would be:
de Armas Craig Johnson Collette Plummer Shannon Curtis
The rest were ok.
A 7.5/10 for me.
Oh, and that "donut delirium" of Craig... Hilarious!
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Post by jakesully on Dec 6, 2019 0:17:23 GMT
Kinda baffled at all the critical acclaim this film got. Its not as clever as it seems (I mean, Ryan Johnson spells out everything for the audience) and a lot of the humor fell flat for me. Honestly I think Brick is superior but that's just me. Don't get me wrong, its not a bad film by any means but I just wasn't as into it as a lot of others were. Generous 6.5/10
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 6, 2019 2:12:45 GMT
Kinda baffled at all the critical acclaim this film got. Its not as clever as it seems (I mean, Ryan Johnson spells out everything for the audience) and a lot of the humor fell flat for me. Honestly I think Brick is superior but that's just me. Don't get me wrong, its not a bad film by any means but I just wasn't as into it as a lot of others were. Generous 6.5/10 Ironic that you can't even spell his name correctly
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Post by jakesully on Dec 6, 2019 2:56:57 GMT
Kinda baffled at all the critical acclaim this film got. Its not as clever as it seems (I mean, Ryan Johnson spells out everything for the audience) and a lot of the humor fell flat for me. Honestly I think Brick is superior but that's just me. Don't get me wrong, its not a bad film by any means but I just wasn't as into it as a lot of others were. Generous 6.5/10 Ironic that you can't even spell his name correctly haha damn auto correct! meant to type Rian
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 8, 2019 0:06:28 GMT
One of the most entertaining films I've seen all year. I love a good mystery film, and this is no exception. It reminds me of Get Out in how straightforward it is with its premise. There are many twists and turns, and it's funny, but it's also skillfully made and well-acted too. The cast is great from top to bottom, but I thought Ana De Armas in particular was fantastic (she's my current best actress win). I think this is a movie I'll be returning to quite frequently.
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Post by AKenjiB on Dec 10, 2019 0:28:08 GMT
This was really fun. Whole cast was great, it’s got a healthy variety of shots, the plot at times...er....subverted my expectations, and I loved the mostly playful tone. I do wish some actors were given a bit more to do but this was definitely a really entertaining experience.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 13, 2019 17:58:19 GMT
Christopher Plummer is talked a lot in this thread and for a good reason! Today's reason is, it's his birthday. Turns 90!!! Many happy returns, sir
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 13, 2019 19:03:23 GMT
Christopher Plummer is talked a lot in this thread and for a good reason! Today's reason is, it's his birthday. Turns 90!!! Many happy returns, sir He had as good a decade from the age 80-90 as anybody, I can think of .......he has 5 Triple Crown wins - some say 4 because 1 of his Emmy's is for narration/voice but that counts as acting, so I say it's 5. Nominated for 7 Tony's and he won one for musical and one for a straight play which is pretty tough. There are not many actors in his league .......
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 13, 2019 23:48:09 GMT
Very early on ( after a crucial revelation ) I stop enjoying it. It’s funnier that Ana de Armas is nominated as a comedic performer than what she actually does here, and imo she’s the weakest character, she’s the lead and her character never goes beyond “I’m good”, her “questionable” actions are more as a result of the circumstances rather than any kind of complexity in her character, reminds me of that awful movie where Salma Hayek plays a massage therapist and she’s the kindness incarnated in a house of awful republicans having dinner. I have yet to encounter a human that is all good.
The rest was fine, bastly prefer the entitled characters who think they’re good, the daughter is a good example, for the longest time she’s in the movie’s side until affects her. Unfortunately all that is in small bits.
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Post by speeders on Dec 16, 2019 0:55:45 GMT
Saw this today. More thoughts later. 8/10
Ranking of the Cast de Armas Curtis Plummer Craig Collette Evans Callan Johnson Walsh Shannon Lindhome Martell Langford Stanfield Patterson Oz Segan
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Post by Viced on Dec 23, 2019 0:55:05 GMT
Now THAT'S how you end a fucking movie.
I thought this was in the 7-7.5 range for the majority... fun but not always riveting and most of the characters weren't explored enough... but the ending is so goddam amazing (and not just because my favorite song of all time was playing...) it made everything else better in retrospect.
And of course the ensemble was great... not sure who my MVP pick is... probably the legend Jamie Lee Curtis though Plummer, Craig, de Armas, Evans, and Don fucking Johnson are close behind.
8/10
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 23, 2019 2:08:42 GMT
Absolutely loved this movie. Might even be my favorite of the year so far.
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Post by Zeb31 on Dec 23, 2019 15:54:32 GMT
Starts off strong, dips in the middle stretch while we wait for the characters to catch up with what was prematurely revealed to the audience, then ends in a pretty spectacular note that brings the whole film back up a notch. It's perfectly silly and over the top, but also perfectly enjoyable in how it revels in its own absurdity. I'm not quite as in love with the ensemble as everyone else seems to be because most of the cast seemed limited by the one note they were each confined to play, but it's still a delight to watch so many talented actors and Chris Evans play off of each other. Craig in particular was a total hoot, with Curtis and Plummer right behind him. Now, if I may just say something for a second‒‒ What brings the whole film down a peg for me is that Johnson's political commentary feels incredibly easy and half-baked. Not only because his attempts at capturing political arguments through dialogue feel very clumsy and unnatural, but mostly because he doesn't probe the issues he aims to tackle anywhere near as effectively as they're begging for. If he's gonna Trojan horse a "the immigrant kids in cages will inherit America" parable as an Agatha Christie pastiche, you'd think he'd go a little further in mining the subject so as to shake the audience out of their comfort zones and truly confront them. This review spells it out better than I could, but the way Johnson writes Marta as a saintly paragon of virtue and selflessness limits both Ana de Armas' performance and the allegory of the film itself. Parasite is similar to Knives Out in that it also employs comedy and thriller elements to analyze class disparity and expose the cruel myth of social ascension through effort and merit within systems designed to keep lowly servants at bay while maintaining a thin veneer of civility and camaraderie. The thing is, unlike Johnson, Bong imbues his leads with actual complexity and personality, which ultimately makes Parasite a lot more poignant. Johnson goes out of his way to paint both sides of this story with the broadest possible strokes, and to eliminate anything that could make Marta even slightly deserving of condemnation. He makes sure to remind us about twenty times that the rest of her family is in the country illegally, but nonetheless Marta herself is perfectly documented; she stands idly by and withstands the family's casual racism without thinking anything of it, because saints don't antagonize anybody, not even in thought; she's not allowed to display any feelings about the money she'll inherit because that might make her motivations less than squeaky clean and entirely selfless. The combined effect of that is weirdly patronizing and self-congratulatory, and it drains the film's commentary of potency or nuance. Which wouldn't be an issue at all if this was just your average whodunnit without clear political overtones, but it isn't, so it is. I still liked it a lot, though, it's plenty of fun. I'd gladly watch another Benoit Blanc installment in the future.
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Post by bob-coppola on Dec 23, 2019 16:08:16 GMT
it's still a delight to watch so many talented actors and Chris Evans play off of each other.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Dec 29, 2019 17:11:47 GMT
I love good and twisted Who's done its and that is why I looked especially forward to this one, knowing what a great cast and creative mind like Rian Johnson is behind it. The result is an entertaining, well acted and directed yet often a bit predictable mystery comedy/thriller. What I hoped more for it, was a more out-of-your-mind twist than the one that was actually coming In the end. Still, it was fun and thats its main purpose. Daniel Craig made a good detective and added a lot of fun attributes to his character. The true revelation of the film was Ana Da Armas who has been under the radar quite a few years yet but finally gets her big break with a truly scene-stealing performance, especially next to acting heavy weights like Michael Shannon or Christopher Plummer who both did very well, too. Chris Evans was also really outstanding and nicely playing with his image which worked perfectly and hopefully opens up for more dynamic or twisted roles in the future. Jamie Lee Cutis and Toni Collette had some fun moments and you could see that both truly loved playing their roles. Don Johnson and especially Jaeden Martell were the weakest spots of the bunch. The score was nice, and the look in general great. It worked like a traditional film of its kind and played along with all the conventional elements without trying to re-invent them which I liked and was most afraid about. Like I said, the only thing that I could have hoped for was a less predictable final twist and conclusion. Other than than that undoubtedly a fun movie.
Nominations for
Best Production Design Best Ensemble
Rating: 8/10
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 31, 2019 12:07:41 GMT
As a long time fan of classic crime novels and loving Rian Johnson's "Brick" I expected a lot of this movie first, then after the trailers were released I was a bit more tentative about it. But in the end this is one of my favourite movies of the year so far.
From the beginning on it has the vibe of a classic Agatha Christie novel. The huge manor with it's interiors, the family, where everyone has a motive to kill Harlan Thrombay and a detective, which's name and quotes are clear references to Hercule Poirot. But at the same time Johnson makes it clear (with the somehow inapt music in the very first shot already), that it's not a classical Whodunit. He adds his own note with some bizarre humour and ideas, but the combination works most of the time. Like he did with "Brick" for the Film Noir genre, he he designs a wonderful hommage to the classic crime novel/film, but sets it in an contemporary context. You can see quite early, where the plot may lead to, but as the film in the second half follows more the role of Marta and gets in some ways more a satire than a crime film this doesn't weaken it much ultimately, cause while he tries to sell a message along with the film not very subtle, at the heart this still stays foremostly a film about a crime and it's solution.
I love how many details in terms of the lovely setting and references for example regarding current politics and social life, but also nods to Agatha Christie and Conan Doyle Johnson and his team include. And I'm pretty sure this is a film, where you can discover many new things in a second or third viewing. And a special shout goes to Steve Yedlin and his wonderful photography, that in many moments really brings one of those classic novels alife. Ana de Armas gives a truly great performance (granted I haven't seen a lot films so far and even less with female leads, but currently she's my #2), but also the rest of the cast obviously delivers and seemed to have a lot of fun. I'd really love to see a second film about Benoit Blanc, but even moreso this makes me want to see a classic Agatha Christie adaption again. How about Poirot's Christmas or Dumb Witness, Mr. Johnson?
About 8.5-9/10 and his second best film behind Brick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 7:30:36 GMT
Rian Johnson’s a fucking clown for that “nobody’s read Gravity’s Rainbow because it a hard book” line, lmfao. Didn't like this much at all. Armas the saving grace.
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Post by Allenism on Jun 26, 2020 13:21:25 GMT
Honestly, what was the big deal with this one? I feel like they got together an aces cast only to have most the actors spew out some character exposition in a fire-lit room. de Armas is great and proves to have real star quality in the lead role, and Evans should also put to rest here any remaining doubts about his acting chops...but aside from these performances and some top-drawer production values (the editing and sound design are especially impressive), the script isn't nearly as clever as it believes itself to be. For me the film's cardinal sin is having Craig's character explain in a 10-minute monologue how he was able to magically connect all the dots AND have the identity reveal be kind of a shoulder-shrug.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 23, 2020 0:37:21 GMT
Too serious to be any fun, not clever enough to be a mystery, not enough heart to work as a drama, too obvious with its setups to work as a "gotcha" twist movie, too political to work without a heart.
The big problem is the lack of a heart. Specifically, this is trying SO HARD to make Ana de Armas a likable character we all want to root for. But it fails MISERABLY. Why? Because she's a bland, one-note, goody goody hero. And the family is portrayed as pure evil villains for her goodness to shine against. That turns the politics into strawmanning.
The mystery is pretty predictable - although individual pieces are hard to piece together, that's because there are so many moving parts. It is easy to get the broad strokes of everyone's involvement with no effort.
That leaves the comedy, which just isn't funny at all. The characters are all so one-note that it's hard to laugh at any of them (especially since they're all vile monsters), and by following de Armas, the tone is too serious and tense for any of the jokes that Craig spouts to work - and he almost always spouts them at her. It's just bad.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 23, 2020 1:02:39 GMT
Oh, I did get a laugh out of this, though. Although it is played straight in Knives Out and is only funny because Johnson was stealing a plot point from a comedy classic:
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 23, 2020 4:00:06 GMT
Also I don't know much about the game Go, but I hope that someone that does watches the film and writes about how the game relates to the movie because I know that it did. I think that would make me love it even more if I do the intricacies of the game. A pretty good summation of the game right here. Near as I can tell, it has absolutely nothing to do with the plot... but it's a cool game and the exposure for it is welcome. I should say that theoretically, it's a great game - I can't beat a computer and nobody of my own skill level will play with me.
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