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Post by stephen on Aug 3, 2020 19:07:29 GMT
Do any sources confirm that Leo was offered/passed on this? Borys Kit of HollywoodReporter said according to sources Leo was "mulling" both projects. I'd think if he wanted the parts, he'd get them... I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 3, 2020 19:14:32 GMT
Cooper is probably a better actor than DiCaprio, certainly a lot more naturalistic. I'm excited to see what PTA gets out of him.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 3, 2020 19:19:19 GMT
Borys Kit of HollywoodReporter said according to sources Leo was "mulling" both projects. I'd think if he wanted the parts, he'd get them... I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar. True true. And the PTA was supposed to be filming maybe even done filming by now, so this whole pandemic delay probably clashed any project against Flower Moon. Cooper has to finish the halfway-done Del Toro first, then this, then Bernstein.... I bet he's already got his Oscar speech nice and laminated and ready to go.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 3, 2020 19:40:50 GMT
from Collider:
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Post by cheesecake on Aug 3, 2020 20:03:28 GMT
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 3, 2020 20:06:02 GMT
Cooper should have won Best Actor for A Star is Born so I’m good with this.
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Post by speeders on Aug 3, 2020 20:24:24 GMT
Cooper should have won Best Actor for A Star is Born so I’m good with this. Anyone but Malek. I found Cooper legit award worthy in Silver Linings Playbook (and Place Beyond the Pines which was completely overlooked).
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Aug 3, 2020 20:37:17 GMT
The hate for Cooper in this thread (and any thread for that matter) concerns and confuses me.
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Post by mattfincher on Aug 3, 2020 20:51:31 GMT
The hate for Cooper in this thread (and any thread for that matter) concerns and confuses me. To be fair, it’s not just here. Reaction I’ve seen on Twitter has been very mixed. Just don’t think Cooper has won over a large portion of cinephiles yet.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 3, 2020 21:06:01 GMT
The hate for Cooper in this thread (and any thread for that matter) concerns and confuses me. Agree. He's becoming one of my favorite actors. He's building an impressive filmography.
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Post by mattfincher on Aug 3, 2020 21:18:34 GMT
The hate for Cooper in this thread (and any thread for that matter) concerns and confuses me. Agree. He's becoming one of my favorite actors. He's building an impressive filmography. I get thinking he's a good actor, but impressive filmography? Seriously? It's one of the worst for an actor with 4+ noms, maybe the worst.
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Post by Savager on Aug 3, 2020 21:19:12 GMT
PTA should've gave Damon the role. He hasn't had a juicy role in an auteur project in ages.
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Post by mattfincher on Aug 3, 2020 21:22:00 GMT
PTA should've gave Damon the role. He hasn't had a juicy role in an auteur project in ages. He already played a closet case in The Departed, though.
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Post by bob-coppola on Aug 3, 2020 21:57:54 GMT
Borys Kit of HollywoodReporter said according to sources Leo was "mulling" both projects. I'd think if he wanted the parts, he'd get them... I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar.I mean, you could say the exact same thing about Leo, who will get a nod for his next Scorsese joint. Let's not act like he ditched del Toro and PTA to work with someone like Trey Edward Shults or Eliza Hittman.
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Post by stephen on Aug 3, 2020 22:06:21 GMT
I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar.I mean, you could say the exact same thing about Leo, who will get a nod for his next Scorsese joint. Let's not act like he ditched del Toro and PTA to work with someone like Trey Edward Shults or Eliza Hittman. I don't think DiCaprio cares anymore about winning an Oscar now that he's got one. He's comfortable working with Scorsese because he's worked with him half a dozen times already and he wants to keep making movies with him while he still can.
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Post by mattfincher on Aug 3, 2020 22:06:25 GMT
I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar.I mean, you could say the exact same thing about Leo, who will get a nod for his next Scorsese joint. Let's not act like he ditched del Toro and PTA to work with someone like Trey Edward Shults or Eliza Hittman. I think Stephen's (correct) point is that Cooper is in more need of adding auteurs to his resume (the best two directors Cooper has worked with are DOR, who many believe is a hack, and Eastwood, who many believe hasn't made a good movie in a long time) and to aid his Oscar chase than DiCaprio is. And del Toro and PTA should help him accomplish both.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 3, 2020 22:09:07 GMT
Borys Kit of HollywoodReporter said according to sources Leo was "mulling" both projects. I'd think if he wanted the parts, he'd get them... I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar.So will pretty much any actor. Is this supposed to be a criticism?
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Post by chris3 on Aug 3, 2020 22:10:50 GMT
PTA should've gave Damon the role. He hasn't had a juicy role in an auteur project in ages. He already played a closet case in The Departed, though. Was he a closet case in The Departed? I always just thought he was impotent because of the constant stress of living as a mole. I feel like Ripley would be the better example here.
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Post by mattfincher on Aug 3, 2020 22:13:03 GMT
I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar.So will pretty much any actor. Is this supposed to be a criticism? For a guy with 4 Oscar nominations, Cooper's auteur list is severely lacking. Why are you bothered by someone stating something obvious which will both help him gain respect and win the Oscar he obviously wants?
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Post by stephen on Aug 3, 2020 22:18:12 GMT
I feel like he considered them but always was going to prioritize Scorsese, but because Killers of the Flower Moon kept delaying its start date, PTA and Guillermo couldn't wait for him. Meanwhile, Cooper will work with any A-list auteur who will get him one step closer to that Oscar.So will pretty much any actor. Is this supposed to be a criticism? I didn't intend it as a criticism. DiCaprio is pulling a DDL and being selective with his projects and waiting several years between them. Cooper is a workhorse.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 3, 2020 22:32:17 GMT
At this point, if Leo is considering a project and ends up not doing it, it mostly means he had issues with the script/concept; it doesn't mean the film won't be well-received and get Oscar nominations, but he doesn't abandon his taste to genuflect towards a particular director's reputation. PTA would have waited for him if it was just a matter of scheduling around Flower Moon. Nolan had an insightful comment back around Inception's release:
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 3, 2020 22:33:49 GMT
So will pretty much any actor. Is this supposed to be a criticism? I didn't intend it as a criticism. DiCaprio is pulling a DDL and being selective with his projects and waiting several years between them. Cooper is a workhorse. Got it, make sense.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 3, 2020 22:34:27 GMT
So will pretty much any actor. Is this supposed to be a criticism? For a guy with 4 Oscar nominations, Cooper's auteur list is severely lacking. Why are you bothered by someone stating something obvious which will both help him gain respect and win the Oscar he obviously wants? I’m not bothered by it. I didn’t fully understand what Stephen was getting at but has clarified.
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Post by stephen on Aug 3, 2020 22:35:59 GMT
At this point, if Leo is considering a project and ends up not doing it, it mostly means he had issues with the script/concept; it doesn't mean the film won't be well-received and get Oscar nominations, but he doesn't abandon his taste to genuflect towards a particular director's reputation. PTA would have waited for him if it was just a matter of scheduling around Flower Moon. Nolan had an insightful comment back around Inception's release: On the flip side, PTA would only wait for him if he really wanted to work with DiCaprio. He has said before that he would never have made There Will Be Blood if Day-Lewis had passed, and he even waited on The Master until Joaquin was available, despite having several proposed false starts with Renner and Franco bandied about as the leads. PTA probably does want to work with DiCaprio, but it doesn't seem like this project required him the way those other films needed DDL and Phoenix.
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Post by bob-coppola on Aug 3, 2020 22:57:06 GMT
I love DiCaprio but, as stephen has pointed out, it seems quite obvious that he's following the DDL and Nicholson path. I say this as a criticism because, honestly, it feels like a deliberate choice to build an aura of a Great, Mythical Actor. In some ways, you can see he's working to build a narrative, and it feels a little cheap. He was thirsty for an Oscar, so he'd chase Eastwood, Iñarritu and etc in-between Scorsese flicks (kind of what Cooper is doing right now). Then he won, and now he's a reclusive actor because it's more helpful if he wants to win a second Oscar. It doesn't feel organic to me when I analyse his career, even if I love his movies and performances.
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