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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 3, 2020 10:12:14 GMT
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 3, 2020 10:23:23 GMT
There is a peaceful protest/march scheduled in my city this afternoon -- been fascinating to see these pop up all over. A local supremacist group is promising to fuck things up so hopefully everyone stays safe.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 3, 2020 15:35:16 GMT
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Post by Lubezki on Jun 3, 2020 16:18:51 GMT
John Boyega gave a really great speech at a protest in London today. He really spoke from the heart and the passion was incredible. |
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Post by Lubezki on Jun 3, 2020 18:22:18 GMT
What took them so long to charge the others? Also, Chauvinās charge should be increased again after this to first-degree because thatās exactly what it fucking was. |
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Post by dazed on Jun 3, 2020 19:17:33 GMT
What took them so long to charge the others? Also, Chauvinās charge should be increased again after this to first-degree because thatās exactly what it fucking was. It took so long because Mike Freeman was handling the case. Keith Ellison is the one thatās leading prosecution now since the past couple of days, thank god. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 3, 2020 19:31:55 GMT
What took them so long to charge the others? Also, Chauvinās charge should be increased again after this to first-degree because thatās exactly what it fucking was. I'm not so sure about first degree. I see no evidence that this was premeditated or planned in any way. I don't see how Chauvin intended to end Floyd's life. There is nothing to indicate this. Third degree murder looks to be the correct call. |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 3, 2020 19:51:40 GMT
What took them so long to charge the others? Also, Chauvinās charge should be increased again after this to first-degree because thatās exactly what it fucking was. Yes, I just got the news. All were complicit, so it's about time they were charged. But this is just the start. I pray we see some convictions. Did anyone see George Floyd's brother speaking? He said George would NOT like all this destruction that's been going on to be happening. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 3, 2020 19:53:03 GMT
What took them so long to charge the others? Also, Chauvinās charge should be increased again after this to first-degree because thatās exactly what it fucking was. I'm not so sure about first degree. I see no evidence that this was premeditated or planned in any way. I don't see how Chauvin intended to end Floyd's life. There is nothing to indicate this. Third degree murder looks to be the correct call. He knelt on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes, 2 of which were after Floyd stopped talking and went limp. A crowd of people around him could recognize it was killing Floyd. Why the hell would he do that if he wasn't trying to kill him? Stupidity or claiming he had no idea it was lethal is not an excuse, especially for a trained officer. Second degree makes complete sense. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 3, 2020 19:55:23 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 3, 2020 19:59:29 GMT
What took them so long to charge the others? Also, Chauvinās charge should be increased again after this to first-degree because thatās exactly what it fucking was. Yes, I just got the news. All were complicit, so it's about time they were charged. But this is just the start. I pray we see some convictions. Did anyone see George Floyd's brother speaking? He said George would NOT like all this destruction that's been going on to be happening.I posted it in this thread yesterday and no one replied....today I posted a story about Don Dorn being killed by a rioter - nothing......a heartbreaking story...... I wish people were more moved by those posts rather the criminality aspect - I mean, I'm interested in that part too - but Don Dorn fncking died YESTERDAY and nobody seems to care about that black man getting murdered - come on people, at least give him a RIP.........  ...... |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 3, 2020 20:20:18 GMT
I've been talking about this a lot in the past in my personal quarters, and I want to open it up: what can the police do to rehabilitate their image? Outside of not killing unarmed, defenseless people, that should be obvious.
The question I'm posing is more along the lines of asking what other countries (that don't have as much of a sour relationship between police and citizens) do and what American police can learn from them to train their forces. I was struck by watching videos of other nations (can't remember which ones, they were Asian) in which police officers were engaged in community work and people could ask them for directions on the street.
I'm a small white guy, so I'm not afraid of getting shot... but even I wouldn't ask a police officer for directions. They are punishers, not officers of the peace.
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Post by Archie on Jun 3, 2020 20:34:08 GMT
I've been talking about this a lot in the past in my personal quarters, and I want to open it up: what can the police do to rehabilitate their image? Outside of not killing unarmed, defenseless people, that should be obvious. Bring back McGruff the Crime Dog. |
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Post by Archie on Jun 3, 2020 20:47:03 GMT
In all seriousness, they should get rid of police unions. This is the number 1 reason for a lack of accountability. When all your buddies and people who are always going to side with the police no matter what have any say in the matter, then nothing will change.
Advocate and accept serious training/vetting reform. Somebody who would even think to say āLetās start a riotā on social media or write āYouāre fuckedā on their gun should never make it past the very first stage of the vetting process.
Seriously reprimand and start convicting police who abuse their power. Iām not talking about obvious cases like with Floyd either. If an officer has more than 50 excessive force complaints in 4 years, he needs to be gone after about 5.
Also, probably add psychological evaluations every year or so to their requirements. It would be the way to go to weed out the shitty people. In general, better background checks. That's important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 20:52:52 GMT
I don't see how Chauvin intended to end Floyd's life. What |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 3, 2020 22:00:29 GMT
I don't see how Chauvin intended to end Floyd's life. What In a premeditated fashion. Don't take that single sentence out of context. |
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Post by quetee on Jun 3, 2020 22:04:11 GMT
In a premeditated fashion. Don't take that single sentence out of context. We don't know the whole story yet especially since we found out that they worked together. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 3, 2020 22:10:47 GMT
In a premeditated fashion. Don't take that single sentence out of context. We don't know the whole story yet especially since we found out that they worked together. True, we don't. And to be fair, they may not have known each other at all. Which is why first degree doesn't make sense with what we know. |
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Post by quetee on Jun 3, 2020 22:12:49 GMT
In all seriousness, they should get rid of police unions. This is the number 1 reason for a lack of accountability. When all your buddies and people who are always going to side with the police no matter what have any say in the matter, then nothing will change. Advocate and accept serious training/vetting reform. Somebody who would even think to say āLetās start a riotā on social media or write āYouāre fuckedā on their gun should never make it past the very first stage of the vetting process. Seriously reprimand and start convicting police who abuse their power. Iām not talking about obvious cases like with Floyd either. If an officer has more than 50 excessive force complaints in 4 years, he needs to be gone after about 5. Also, probably add psychological evaluations every year or so to their requirements. It would be the way to go to weed out the shitty people. In general, better background checks. That's important. Here's the problem as I see this and I speak on experience as someone who had to file a complaint against this racist lady at my job who after years of dealing with the bullshit they finally got rid of her ass. The problem is that the people at the top do not listen because there are a lot of people out there who lack basic integrity. Think about how many people at the top turn a blind eye because they benefit from that person's actions. Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham are prime examples. Do we all remember when Lindsay spoke out against Trump and now he kisses his ass?? This is what we are dealing with here. If the people in charge with the power to actually make change turn a blind eye then how will change EVER happen? The simple answer: it won't. It begins at the top. It always does. The man who murdered George Floyd had 18 complaints against him. 18. He got in trouble once because at a routine stop he used excessive force. Why didn't his supervisor do more? They knew about the complaints and did absolutely nothing. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 3, 2020 23:55:44 GMT
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 4, 2020 0:02:19 GMT
Of course opposing *any* compassion is the hill Trump chooses to die upon. The people who see this, endorse and defend this cruelty, live in blissful ignorance of our countryās *many* issues, and are willing to forsake the soul of the land they claim to love by letting these injustices and violations to our democracy continue...
Well, I hope your āgreatnessā was worth revealing your true colors and abandoning your dignity.
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Post by CookiesNCream on Jun 4, 2020 1:30:32 GMT
I concurred! Not sure why it even need to take this long to arrest the other 4? |
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Post by countjohn on Jun 4, 2020 4:04:54 GMT
Yes, I just got the news. All were complicit, so it's about time they were charged. But this is just the start. I pray we see some convictions. Did anyone see George Floyd's brother speaking? He said George would NOT like all this destruction that's been going on to be happening.I posted it in this thread yesterday and no one replied....today I posted a story about Don Dorn being killed by a rioter - nothing......a heartbreaking story...... I wish people were more moved by those posts rather the criminality aspect - I mean, I'm interested in that part too - but Don Dorn fncking died YESTERDAY and nobody seems to care about that black man getting murdered - come on people, at least give him a RIP......... ...... His life is not worth any less than Floyd's yet no one will be talking about him in a few days and we'll be talking about Floyd the rest of the year. |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 4, 2020 4:10:51 GMT
I've been talking about this a lot in the past in my personal quarters, and I want to open it up: what can the police do to rehabilitate their image? Outside of not killing unarmed, defenseless people, that should be obvious. The question I'm posing is more along the lines of asking what other countries (that don't have as much of a sour relationship between police and citizens) do and what American police can learn from them to train their forces. I was struck by watching videos of other nations (can't remember which ones, they were Asian) in which police officers were engaged in community work and people could ask them for directions on the street. I'm a small white guy, so I'm not afraid of getting shot... but even I wouldn't ask a police officer for directions. They are punishers, not officers of the peace. It should be clear by now that the police aren't going to change on their own, they're going to have to be forced to change. One interesting suggestion I read is a requirement that police officers be licenced in order to work, in the same way that doctors and lawyers have to be. That licence can then be revoked for misconduct. Understandably, this would have a lot of pushback, but it would probably go a long way towards getting unqualified people out of the police force. Another change that might come much sooner is the end of " qualified immunity" a legal doctrine that makes it almost impossible for victims to sue cops who violate their rights. There's actually legislation being introduced in congress to end this. |
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