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Post by quetee on Jun 16, 2020 5:11:06 GMT
I started reading it but I want to know who this group is and what is their agenda. I've taken classes before and that is the first thing they ask, can you trust the article. They've sourced all their references at the end of the article, so you can always verify the validity of their data. I agree that that's a smart thing to do and to not trust everything you read. This article covers death but there is also a problem with the basic fact of getting profiled and getting your ass beat in general. Who gets profiled? Why are they getting profiled? And how does the cop handle that interact? I bet those stats would be very different but then again those stats would come from the cops and who knows if the stats are even reliable. These people just so happened to die in the encounter but what about the ones who lived? Where are those numbers? |
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Post by Good God on Jun 16, 2020 5:23:51 GMT
This article covers death but there is also a problem with the basic fact of getting profiled and getting your ass beat in general. Who gets profiled? Why are they getting profiled? And how does the cop handle that interact? I bet those stats would be very different but then again those stats would come from the cops and who knows if the stats are even reliable. These people just so happened to die in the encounter but what about the ones who lived? Where are those numbers? I think a study by Roland G. Fryer suggested that black people are more likely to be detained and have their personal and physical space invaded, but even he concluded that black people are not more likely to actually be killed, if not less likely to be killed, than white people (in comparable circumstances). That's just going by what I remember reading about the study. I haven't gone through it in detail because it's too long. But here it is in case you're interested. Let me know if you manage to get through it all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 13:32:58 GMT
Very few posters in this thread are actually in favor of de-funding the police (I'm certainly not one of them). The overall consensus seems to be more accountability in policing - i.e. if someone has had 18 complaints of unnecessary force filed against them (in the case of Derek Chauvin), he or she probably shouldn't be patrolling the streets. I think we can all agree on that.
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Post by quetee on Jun 16, 2020 19:27:30 GMT
Very few posters in this thread are actually in favor of de-funding the police (I'm certainly not one of them). The overall consensus seems to be more accountability in policing - i.e. if someone has had 18 complaints of unnecessary force filed against them (in the case of Derek Chauvin), he or she probably shouldn't be patrolling the streets. I think we can all agree on that. Remember that scene in, The Princess Bride? "I don't think you know what that word means". That is what is going on right now with the word defund. People think it means abolish and that is not what it means. Have you ever gone to either your county's or city's budget site and look at the police budget? Well, LA County's is huge. I need someone to explain to me why the cops in LA have a lambo? And my friend who works for LAUSD has to buy her own classroom supplies. People who want to defund want to use a portion of funds allocated to the police and invest in programs where it is needed so then maybe crime will go down. We lack funding in mental health. The police do not know how to handle these people and then what happens when they get sent out on calls??? we end up with a situation like the one that just dropped in Cleveland. Shouldn't we want cops who are specialized in particular areas? Why can't we have cops with degrees in social work and mental health. I bet if we send these people out they would know how to handle particular situations. This whole thing comes down to training and it is pretty obvious that they lack training. They need to work out the internal conflicts in the department cause a cop with 18 complaints of excessive force is not a good cop. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 16, 2020 20:00:13 GMT
Part of the problem is the local chapters of BLM enjoys playing with what things really mean too - Defunding in Mpls means disbanding and a whole other model. This blatantly racist tweet from BLMDC is still up.......and is really scary in what it hints at leftist progressive Democrat Muriel Bowser.......now of course this isn't all of BLM but they like the confusion and lack of clarity because it turns into a shouting match on message boards.  That's a common trick of all pathological liars/extremists - far Right or Left (Left in this particular case but Right will be doing it soon): "Defund" doesn't "mean" Defund etc...words no longer mean what you thought or what they were defined as.......tell the listener "they" don't get it.......heck the actual word "semantics" has been wrongly defined and referenced against me IN THIS THREAD  .................... Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia etc. BlackLivesMatter DC @dmvblacklives Jun 5
This is a performative distraction from real policy changes. Bowser has consistently been on the wrong side of BLMDC history. This is to appease white liberals while ignoring our demands. Black Lives Matter means defund the police.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 20:12:22 GMT
Very few posters in this thread are actually in favor of de-funding the police (I'm certainly not one of them). The overall consensus seems to be more accountability in policing - i.e. if someone has had 18 complaints of unnecessary force filed against them (in the case of Derek Chauvin), he or she probably shouldn't be patrolling the streets. I think we can all agree on that. Remember that scene in, The Princess Bride? "I don't think you know what that word means". That is what is going on right now with the word defund. People think it means abolish and that is not what it means. Have you ever gone to either your county's or city's budget site and look at the police budget? Well, LA County's is huge. I need someone to explain to me why the cops in LA have a lambo? And my friend who works for LAUSD has to buy her own classroom supplies. People who want to defund want to use a portion of funds allocated to the police and invest in programs where it is needed so then maybe crime will go down. We lack funding in mental health. The police do not know how to handle these people and then what happens when they get sent out on calls??? we end up with a situation like the one that just dropped in Cleveland. Shouldn't we want cops who are specialized in particular areas? Why can't we have cops with degrees in social work and mental health. I bet if we send these people out they would know how to handle particular situations. This whole thing comes down to training and it is pretty obvious that they lack training. They need to work out the internal conflicts in the department cause a cop with 18 complaints of excessive force is not a good cop. Well, I certainly agree that American police have become far too militarized, and I'm all for more funds being allocated to education and community programs, but if you don't really mean "defund", then you probably shouldn't use the word "defund".  Reform and increased accountability are the more appropriate word choices, I think. |
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Post by quetee on Jun 16, 2020 20:43:49 GMT
Remember that scene in, The Princess Bride? "I don't think you know what that word means". That is what is going on right now with the word defund. People think it means abolish and that is not what it means. Have you ever gone to either your county's or city's budget site and look at the police budget? Well, LA County's is huge. I need someone to explain to me why the cops in LA have a lambo? And my friend who works for LAUSD has to buy her own classroom supplies. People who want to defund want to use a portion of funds allocated to the police and invest in programs where it is needed so then maybe crime will go down. We lack funding in mental health. The police do not know how to handle these people and then what happens when they get sent out on calls??? we end up with a situation like the one that just dropped in Cleveland. Shouldn't we want cops who are specialized in particular areas? Why can't we have cops with degrees in social work and mental health. I bet if we send these people out they would know how to handle particular situations. This whole thing comes down to training and it is pretty obvious that they lack training. They need to work out the internal conflicts in the department cause a cop with 18 complaints of excessive force is not a good cop. Well, I certainly agree that American police have become far too militarized, and I'm all for more funds being allocated to education and community programs, but if you don't really mean "defund", then you probably shouldn't use the word "defund". Reform and increased accountability are the more appropriate word choices, I think. Probably cause they tried to use the word reform and it got nowhere. It's not the best word cause people don't understand it but here we are. The bottom line is that the police lack self-awareness and don't seem to care that there are problems. It's like being on drugs. People know it is bad but they still do it until they want to face the music otherwise there's nothing you can do about it. If the police don't think there is an issue then why would they reform? They don't even want to look internally and say, hmmm, well maybe so and so needs to be placed on desk duty cause his interaction with the public is horrible. No everybody is a people person. So if they can't do it then fine, use the money for other social programs so that there is an improvement in the community so they won't be needed as much. There are cops in LA making over 150k patrolling the train station and checking tickets. The ones I see at the train station are always on their phones. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 16, 2020 22:51:40 GMT
Good God The_Cake_of_Roth Martin Stett @tyler mikediastavrone96 Thought I'd send this link to you guys who might like to read about the US media and it's collapse which has come up in this thread - not just in relation to cops but in every story in the last 2 weeks which is sort of what he covers here ...... Matt Taibbi is a very great writer - maybe the best in America - and I missed this but it was mentioned in Jeff Wells movie column today and Taibbi got mentioned earlier in the thread earlier as well........I think everyone would enjoy this even though it is media focused not police focused and it's an essay not statistical or dry. For those who don't know him he has a Left perspective but he can be merciless to everyone and he is here - mike was familiar with and enjoyed his work iirc (?)  taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-itself
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 16, 2020 23:02:06 GMT
Good God The_Cake_of_Roth Martin Stett @tyler mikediastavrone96 Thought I'd send this link to you guys who might like to read about the US media and it's collapse which has come up in this thread - not just in relation to cops but in every story in the last 2 weeks which is sort of what he covers here ...... Matt Taibbi is a very great writer - maybe the best in America - and I missed this but it was mentioned in Jeff Wells movie column today and Taibbi got mentioned earlier in the thread earlier as well........I think everyone would enjoy this even though it is media focused not police focused and it's an essay not statistical or dry. For those who don't know him he has a Left perspective but he can be merciless to everyone and he is here - mike was familiar with and enjoyed his work iirc (?) taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-itself Yeah, big fan of his. Don't agree with absolutely everything he says (but then again I wouldn't want to agree 100% with anyone), but he's one of the more articulate and incisive political writers out there. I got into him about 6-7 years ago after reading Griftopia and think everyone on this board would be well-served by reading his latest Hate Inc.I'll read through and talk about the article when I have some time but just wanted to expand on my general thoughts on him. |
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Post by quetee on Jun 17, 2020 20:54:34 GMT
No way anyone can sign off on this. What training?
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 18, 2020 1:59:20 GMT
No way anyone can sign off on this. What training? something else pretty crazy about this is that they can't really play the whole "the officer felt at danger for his life" because it was the officer's fault that he was in danger; he was pursuing him within range of getting shot by the taser that he knew that brooks had. and that's even if they can say that a taser is a dangerous enough weapon to warrant shooting someone, which police forces at large obviously don't believe. guess we will see how it turns out. |
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Post by CookiesNCream on Jun 20, 2020 5:07:31 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jun 24, 2020 23:37:50 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jun 24, 2020 23:38:25 GMT
They broke his ribs. He's suing for 700k
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jul 16, 2020 18:22:38 GMT
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 19, 2020 0:57:49 GMT
apparently they're snatching people up in unmarked vans in portland
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Post by quetee on Jul 19, 2020 2:20:56 GMT
Damn, this was DTLA? Yikes!!! |
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Post by quetee on Jul 19, 2020 2:21:20 GMT
apparently they're snatching people up in unmarked vans in portland holy shit Huh? What do you mean? |
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 19, 2020 2:59:14 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jul 20, 2020 3:04:14 GMT
I don't even know what to say anymore other than This is America and it sucks. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 9, 2022 10:59:21 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 10, 2022 5:11:39 GMT
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A grand jury in Mississippi has declined to indict the White woman who accused 14-year-old Emmett Till of making advances toward her nearly 70 years ago, allegations that led to the Black teen’s brutal death.
A Leflore County grand jury last week heard seven hours of testimony from investigators and witnesses but said there was insufficient evidence to indict Carolyn Bryant Donham on charges of kidnapping and manslaughter, according to a statement from District Attorney Dewayne Richardson.
The grand jury heard the testimony from witnesses detailing the investigation of the case from 2004 to the present day and considered both charges, according to the statement.
“After hearing every aspect of the investigation and evidence collected regarding Donham’s involvement, the Grand Jury returned a ‘No Bill’ to the charges of both Kidnapping and Manslaughter,” the statement said. “The murder of Emmett Till remains an unforgettable tragedy in this country and the thoughts and prayers of this nation continue to be with the family of Emmett Till.”
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....................Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia etc.
Reform and increased accountability are the more appropriate word choices, I think.
