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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 11, 2020 12:47:22 GMT
Misleading story apparently - this why the tweet came down - in this thread............. #5 now
The officer had a legal reason to contact the driver, as he was parked illegally. The officer attempted to speak with the driver, informed him of the violation and requested his driver’s license,” Dwyer said.
The police commissioner said the Amazon driver, identified as a 23-year-old resident of Detroit, became argumentative and refused 11 requests by the officer to provide his driver’s license. When the officer attempted to place the driver under arrest, the man was not cooperative and refused the officer’s demands to put his hands behind his back, resulting in a physical struggle, Dwyer said.
“The officer took the driver to the ground to gain control of him and the situation for everyone’s safety before it escalated further,” the city’s top-ranking police administrator said.
www.macombdaily.com/news/copscourts/warren-officer-asked-amazon-driver-11-times-to-show-license-before-arrest/article_f1eca9d4-ab3d-11ea-be56-bf7d55713fd6.html
since when do you do all that for illegally parking your car? Why didnt he just give him a ticket and go about his business. Gee I dunno, um why didn't the guy just give him his ID after he was asked to by the cop 11 times? Why was that posted in the first place without it being fact checked? What's the meaning of life? Since when do you (or I) get to question a cop that you (or I) don't know in a city that you (or I) don't live in about whether he can give a ticket or not as part of his job? That's for someone else to decide ......maybe he'll get fired. Maybe they should check with us first Are you going to take random advice from anyone on how you do your job today? Yeah, exactly ...... On a different note: the story I suspected "might" be fake but was actually real - the one that didn't involve a cop at all (the #4 in our "fake" list - the one about a racist Linkedin post) turns out to be "half true": While that story is true about the man ..... the company now denies the Linkedin poster as an employee of the firm so it appears he was just some random racist A-hat who faked his Linkedin profile to start sh it while the firm had their reputation hurt. This is yet another example of why social media is a big problem - how many times will what is below in bold be seen today when the original Twitter post which mentioned this company by name did nothing wrong (apparently) and that was seen repeatedly, thousands of times: "Gene Smith is not now, nor has he ever been, an employee or contractor of Business Acquisitions, LLC, and is in no way affiliated with us. To clarify, his profile listed him as being from "Business Acquisition Company, LLC" prior to being removed from LinkedIn for posting, so the confusion is understandable. We here at Business Acquisitions, LLC, would never condone such actions and consider Smith's words to be disgusting."
www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=169177420468948&story_fbid=577049899681696
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 11, 2020 14:25:44 GMT
Misleading story apparently - this why the tweet came down - in this thread............. #5 now
The officer had a legal reason to contact the driver, as he was parked illegally. The officer attempted to speak with the driver, informed him of the violation and requested his driver’s license,” Dwyer said.
The police commissioner said the Amazon driver, identified as a 23-year-old resident of Detroit, became argumentative and refused 11 requests by the officer to provide his driver’s license. When the officer attempted to place the driver under arrest, the man was not cooperative and refused the officer’s demands to put his hands behind his back, resulting in a physical struggle, Dwyer said.
“The officer took the driver to the ground to gain control of him and the situation for everyone’s safety before it escalated further,” the city’s top-ranking police administrator said.
www.macombdaily.com/news/copscourts/warren-officer-asked-amazon-driver-11-times-to-show-license-before-arrest/article_f1eca9d4-ab3d-11ea-be56-bf7d55713fd6.html
I can’t read the article because of the paywall but did he have his body cam on to confirm this? All of the neighbors seem to refute that so I’d be wary to take the statement as fact on face value. Especially with the clear history of false statements that end up getting refuted when video evidence surfaces.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 11, 2020 14:40:23 GMT
Misleading story apparently - this why the tweet came down - in this thread............. #5 now
The officer had a legal reason to contact the driver, as he was parked illegally. The officer attempted to speak with the driver, informed him of the violation and requested his driver’s license,” Dwyer said.
The police commissioner said the Amazon driver, identified as a 23-year-old resident of Detroit, became argumentative and refused 11 requests by the officer to provide his driver’s license. When the officer attempted to place the driver under arrest, the man was not cooperative and refused the officer’s demands to put his hands behind his back, resulting in a physical struggle, Dwyer said.
“The officer took the driver to the ground to gain control of him and the situation for everyone’s safety before it escalated further,” the city’s top-ranking police administrator said.
www.macombdaily.com/news/copscourts/warren-officer-asked-amazon-driver-11-times-to-show-license-before-arrest/article_f1eca9d4-ab3d-11ea-be56-bf7d55713fd6.html
I can’t read the article because of the paywall but did he have his body cam on to confirm this? All of the neighbors seem to refute that so I’d be wary to take the statement as fact on face value. Especially with the clear history of false statements that end up getting refuted when video evidence surfaces. Good question......... That is unclear........the video is from citizens and doesn't account for earlier. We'll see........ However, the original post within the news story strongly implied the mayor took down his criticism of the cop because he was "hiding" something - rather it's because he heard the cops story too. So as a fact check that particular story is false. This cop may be guilty - or he may not - but the actual initial post was misleading or worse as was the media news report within it ........... it's not my job to decide that, it's just my job to go through every post in this thread and verify it for accuracy because that's what I get paid big money to do on here. Kidding........Kidding .......
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Post by LaraQ on Jun 11, 2020 16:53:03 GMT
Oh God.Why do they keep doing this?.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 11, 2020 17:18:39 GMT
Oh God.Why do they keep doing this?. It's amazing how they all become genuinely Razzie-worthy in these videos too! And I thought a black box on instagram had already fixed everything! If only Kazimir Malevich knew how important his most famous work would become.
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Post by quetee on Jun 11, 2020 17:55:23 GMT
Minneapolis officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck was in plea bargain talksMINNEAPOLIS - The police officer shown on video kneeling on the neck of George Floyd prior to his death in custody was in talks to strike a plea bargain before his arrest, officials said Wednesday. The legal team for Derek Chauvin, who was fired from the Minneapolis police force after Floyd's detainment and death on May 25, was in negotiations with the Hennepin County Attorney's Office and the federal prosecutor, said Chuck Laszewski, spokesman for Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman. “Ultimately, the negotiations failed,” Laszewski said. The U.S. Attorney's Office declined to comment on the matter Wednesday.
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Post by quetee on Jun 11, 2020 17:58:13 GMT
Oh God.Why do they keep doing this?. Because they can. LMAO! It gets tiring but seriously actions speak louder than words. Nobody wants to hear from a bunch of people who speak on the subject then continue to turn a blind eye. Wake me up when they actually do something about it.
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Post by Drish on Jun 11, 2020 18:42:00 GMT
Oh God.Why do they keep doing this?. That was painful to watch. Looks like they are auditioning for some high voltage drama movie.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 11, 2020 19:01:30 GMT
Oh God.Why do they keep doing this?. It's like when you watch the music video for "We Are The World", and you have to try and pick out which one is desperate to look like they care the most.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 11, 2020 19:04:59 GMT
Oh God.Why do they keep doing this?. It's like when you watch the music video for "We Are The World", and you have to try and pick out which one is desperate to look like they care the most. Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan was the best.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 11, 2020 19:11:07 GMT
It's like when you watch the music video for "We Are The World", and you have to try and pick out which one is desperate to look like they care the most. Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan was the best. How about that Springsteen fella though, he looked like he cared so much, he wanted to give himself an aneurysm to prove it.
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Post by quetee on Jun 11, 2020 20:43:52 GMT
since when do you do all that for illegally parking your car? Why didnt he just give him a ticket and go about his business. Gee I dunno, um why didn't the guy just give him his ID after he was asked to by the cop 11 times? Why was that posted in the first place without it being fact checked? What's the meaning of life? Since when do you (or I) get to question a cop that you (or I) don't know in a city that you (or I) don't live in about whether he can give a ticket or not as part of his job? That's for someone else to decide ......maybe he'll get fired. Maybe they should check with us first Are you going to take random advice from anyone on how you do your job today? Yeah, exactly ...... On a different note: the story I suspected "might" be fake but was actually real - the one that didn't involve a cop at all (the #4 in our "fake" list - the one about a racist Linkedin post) turns out to be "half true": While that story is true about the man ..... the company now denies the Linkedin poster as an employee of the firm so it appears he was just some random racist A-hat who faked his Linkedin profile to start sh it while the firm had their reputation hurt. This is yet another example of why social media is a big problem - how many times will what is below in bold be seen today when the original Twitter post which mentioned this company by name did nothing wrong (apparently) and that was seen repeatedly, thousands of times: "Gene Smith is not now, nor has he ever been, an employee or contractor of Business Acquisitions, LLC, and is in no way affiliated with us. To clarify, his profile listed him as being from "Business Acquisition Company, LLC" prior to being removed from LinkedIn for posting, so the confusion is understandable. We here at Business Acquisitions, LLC, would never condone such actions and consider Smith's words to be disgusting."
www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=169177420468948&story_fbid=577049899681696First of all, do you really believe that a cop asked a black man 11 times for an ID? Unless that is somewhere on video, then I don't believe a cop would do that. I mean, after the police said that elderly man tripped, and he was pushed, sorry but I don't believe a damn word they say. Second of all, as far as I am concern, I stand by what I said, if the cop saw a car parked illegally, then he should have ticketed the car and been done with it. I live DTLA and I have had my share of parking tickets. Even if you are sitting in the car, they won't ask you for your license cause your license is not tied to the license plate. They can ask for your ID if you commit a moving violation. So that means something else went down and I'm guessing when the cop said something to him, the guy said something back ( i work for amazon) and the cop didn't like the back talk and decided to flex. As for the police asking for your drivers license, well yes, if they suspect criminal activity was going on and the fact that even the people where telling the cop that he was just delivering packages that nope that wasn't happening. So did the cop even have the right to ask him for his license when he wasn't doing anything wrong???? This is how situations escalate. It was also reported the he had his license and do you think that if the cop is not lying and ask for his license 11 times that maybe the guy was afraid to reach in his pocket and show it to him? We have seen plenty of times what has happened to black men who did just that. As for that white man who posted a so called fake LinkedIn well, that makes the story even richer that he would call out black men who were wearing the same thing Mark Zuckerberg wears on a daily out gang members. Twitter is concerned with cancelling him, not the company if he doesn't work for them.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 11, 2020 21:36:24 GMT
First of all, do you really believe that a cop asked a black man 11 times for an ID? Unless that is somewhere on video, then I don't believe a cop would do that. It doesn't matter whether I "really believe" he was asked 11 times or whether you don't "believe" it........what matters is you posted something that is not confirmed as true on its face value so it shouldn't be on here presented as a "fact" That has happened 4 and 1/2 times in this thread (only twice by you though iirc) all were found by me alone......damn I really am that good. All you can really say on this issue is "thanks pacinoyes" - or maybe "thanks pacinoyes, and btw you really do like some great bands" but I'm not expecting that or anything......... just throwing that out there
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 11, 2020 22:15:33 GMT
Unlike John Oliver who assumes a "I'm a white male, I need to shut up" POV, Tucker Carlson rightly assumes an "I'm an American" position and his empathy for poor and middle class Blacks and Whites and their relationship to police was right on target. For me, the white person who actually chooses to decenter themselves for a moment in order to elevate a black voice (whose life experience and commentary we should care more about) as the capstone of their show shouldn't be someone considered less "right" in their empathy. This issue doesn't inspire me to seek out perspectives on the right because they basically just boil down to "the police aren't perfect, but we still need them," and any sort of half-measure reforms that they might suggest will most likely not result in any sort of substantial change, essentially just preserving the status quo. I think saying the police are a flawed institution is too generous when they're really an institution that's rotten through the barrel. I'm sure some people on here have already seen this on social media, but I figured I'd post it here anyway:
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 11, 2020 23:11:06 GMT
For me, the white person who actually chooses to decenter themselves for a moment in order to elevate a black voice (whose life experience and commentary we should care more about) as the capstone of their show shouldn't be someone considered less "right" in their empathy.
This issue doesn't inspire me to seek out perspectives on the right because they basically just boil down to "the police aren't perfect, but we still need them," and any sort of half-measure reforms that they might suggest will most likely not result in any sort of substantial change, essentially just preserving the status quo. I think saying the police are a flawed institution is too generous when they're really an institution that's rotten through the barrel. Well I'd say 2 things: 1. The black voice that Oliver elevated at the end of his show was a voice that - however well intentioned and emotional was wrong imo - she referenced the wrong board game too - In America it's not just about Monopoly........ it's Monopoly + Clue ..........and when Professor Plum tries to kill someone in the study with a candlestick - that defund the police mental health professional that won't respond to a text at all or with a warm hug emoji had better eventually show up to the scene with a cop and a gun. Sorry for the bad-taste absurdist humor..... but this elevation of Oliver is maddening to me. 2. You asked me a bunch of questions that I answered one by one and provided an article and video - the article link to a great American reporter for 30 years+ writing on police and systemic racism specifically - Heather MacDonald - and I also named a far leftist too - Matt Taibbi (!) who I guess isn't inspiring you to seek him out either. I mean I think I worked too hard in my reply that was just going to get blown off anyway. But OK........it was a good talk nonetheless and hopefully someone will pursue the things we wrote in our posts if they like - always enjoy our talks going back to IMDB.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 11, 2020 23:36:09 GMT
For me, the white person who actually chooses to decenter themselves for a moment in order to elevate a black voice (whose life experience and commentary we should care more about) as the capstone of their show shouldn't be someone considered less "right" in their empathy.
This issue doesn't inspire me to seek out perspectives on the right because they basically just boil down to "the police aren't perfect, but we still need them," and any sort of half-measure reforms that they might suggest will most likely not result in any sort of substantial change, essentially just preserving the status quo. I think saying the police are a flawed institution is too generous when they're really an institution that's rotten through the barrel. Well I'd say 2 things: 1. The black voice that Oliver elevated at the end of his show was a voice that - however well intentioned and emotional was wrong imo - she referenced the wrong board game too - In America it's not just about Monopoly........ it's Monopoly + Clue ..........and when Professor Plum tries to kill someone in the study with a candlestick - that defund the police mental health professional that won't respond to a text at all or with a warm hug emoji had better eventually show up to the scene with a cop and a gun. Sorry for the bad-taste absurdist humor..... but this elevation of Oliver is maddening to me. 2. You asked me a bunch of questions that I answered one by one and provided an article and video - the article link to a great American reporter for 30 years+ writing on police and systemic racism specifically - Heather MacDonald - and I also named a far leftist too - Matt Taibbi (!) who I guess isn't inspiring you to seek him out either. I mean I think I worked too hard in my reply that was just going to get blown off anyway. But OK........it was a good talk nonetheless and hopefully someone will pursue the things we wrote in our posts if they like - always enjoy our talks going back to IMDB. 1. The semantics on "defund the police" notwithstanding (since when have political mantras ever given a shit about exact wording or literalism on either side?), police in some form are going to exist. Do they need to exist for every issue, legal and petty? No. Do they need to exist in cases of murdering madmen? Yes, but again, those aren't exactly the most common cases and the outrage over police has not had to do with how they behave towards rampaging murderers. 2. I can't read the Heather MacDonald article due to the paywall - I read the summary page you provided and again, I'd be cautious throwing out any stats since the data is so fuzzy and since I can't even see all of the sources she may have cited on the original article I am personally even more skeptical. Plus, and I know this is me judging based on things aside from the specific article you wrote, but we're talking here about a woman who has been damn near evangelical in her hatred for the phrase of "police reform" (come on, she wants stop and frisk back even though we do actually have valuable data on how bullshit that was) and doesn't have the greatest record with being on balance when it comes to racial statistics and policing - not the least of which being her infamous "95% of L.A. murders are by undocumented immigrants" testimony before Congress in 2005 which just this year she defended as a "rough estimate" by a cop she didn't name but on whose flippant word she felt right in repeating in front of Congress. As for Taibbi, between his book "I Can't Breathe" and this, I personally agree a lot with him and think the reason why most responding to you probably didn't look into what he was saying was because you drew a line between his thoughts and Tucker Carlson.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 12, 2020 0:12:17 GMT
2. I can't read the Heather MacDonald article due to the paywall - I read the summary page you provided and again, I'd be cautious throwing out any stats since the data is so fuzzy and since I can't even see all of the sources she may have cited on the original article I am personally even more skeptical. Plus, and I know this is me judging based on things aside from the specific article you wrote, but we're talking here about a woman who has been damn near evangelical in her hatred for the phrase of "police reform" (come on, she wants stop and frisk back even though we do actually have valuable data on how bullshit that was) Good post (again) and I'd just say this about Heather MacDonald - you don't have to buy all her arguments to see some great points within her arguments. That's important - Leftist arguments always have holes in them too that are glossed over while the Right is excoriated. She really is a master of statistical analysis even though some statistics are BS as we've said - but not all are and not all are equal either. If you argue civil rights violations to her in relation to stop and frisk she will not be inflexible but she will be baffled - she just likes telling you why it worked statistically and she can do it persuasively - she likes this because she can quantify it - so she can be brilliant but wearying and not very compassionate. If anyone goes down the path of viewing her work - have both eyes open and proceed with her in written form imo - she's not a debater or a profound interview. She's a real rare bird these days ........a writer/statistical reporter and I think as this conversation continues she'll be one of the voices referenced quite often ....................I could see police unions making her their champion tbh.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 12, 2020 0:57:59 GMT
2. I can't read the Heather MacDonald article due to the paywall - I read the summary page you provided and again, I'd be cautious throwing out any stats since the data is so fuzzy and since I can't even see all of the sources she may have cited on the original article I am personally even more skeptical. Plus, and I know this is me judging based on things aside from the specific article you wrote, but we're talking here about a woman who has been damn near evangelical in her hatred for the phrase of "police reform" (come on, she wants stop and frisk back even though we do actually have valuable data on how bullshit that was) Good post (again) and I'd just say this about Heather MacDonald - you don't have to buy all her arguments to see some great points within her arguments. That's important - Leftist arguments always have holes in them too that are glossed over while the Right is excoriated. She really is a master of statistical analysis even though some statistics are BS as we've said - but not all are and not all are equal either. If you argue civil rights violations to her in relation to stop and frisk she will not be inflexible but she will be baffled - she just likes telling you why it worked statistically and she can do it persuasively - she likes this because she can quantify it - so she can be brilliant but wearying and not very compassionate. If anyone goes down the path of viewing her work - have both eyes open and proceed with her in written form imo - she's not a debater or a profound interview. She's a real rare bird these days ........a writer/statistical reporter and I think as this conversation continues she'll be one of the voices referenced quite often ....................I could see police unions making her their champion tbh. Sure, not all data is equal, but not all interpretations of data are equal either. Even in written form, she's liable to allude to a National Academy of Sciences study saying stop and frisk reduces crime when the study does not say that - it does say some proactive policing measures work but that stop and frisk (which she made sure to specify in her article) does not, a blunder that, if made in this thread, I would count on you to rightfully point out. Hell, even if the study did find the statistically significant link she proposed, it'd be good to have any kind of context on effect sizes, controls, and confounding variables if she wants to make the argument that stop and frisk, a practice that throughout much of its heyday resulted in no further action in >80% of cases across hundreds of thousands of stops, had a causal relationship with decreasing crime. Then, and this is the big thing, if she really wanted to convince me, she'd have to report similar stats from several other studies studying the same thing. Stats in a vacuum can be misconstrued any number of ways (did you know there's a 66.6% correlation between how many films Nic Cage is in per year from 1999-2009 and the number of people who drowned falling into a pool in that same time?), the key to good statistical grounding is in replication. The key to good science in controlling for as many extraneous variables as possible (ex. what are the other things that can cause a decline in crime aside from the utilization of stop and frisk?). I don't doubt her stock could continue to rise as the debate on this issue continues. What I do doubt, though, is whether she is providing a thoroughly honest representation of the stats she is reporting on. Not just whether those stats are meaningful, but whether she herself fully grasps the meaning within them.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 12, 2020 1:23:50 GMT
as a statistics major i am loving to see the type of person you are calling a master of statistics lmao
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 12, 2020 2:13:39 GMT
as a statistics major i am loving to see the type of person you are calling a master of statistics lmao Well as someone who works with statistics for his actual job I am loving the preening arrogance of a mere student thinking that she's not a master of statistics.......so yeah LMAO right back at ya comrade
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 12, 2020 7:48:44 GMT
Well I'd say 2 things: 1. The black voice that Oliver elevated at the end of his show was a voice that - however well intentioned and emotional was wrong imo - she referenced the wrong board game too - In America it's not just about Monopoly........ it's Monopoly + Clue ..........and when Professor Plum tries to kill someone in the study with a candlestick - that defund the police mental health professional that won't respond to a text at all or with a warm hug emoji had better eventually show up to the scene with a cop and a gun. Sorry for the bad-taste absurdist humor..... but this elevation of Oliver is maddening to me. 2. You asked me a bunch of questions that I answered one by one and provided an article and video - the article link to a great American reporter for 30 years+ writing on police and systemic racism specifically - Heather MacDonald - and I also named a far leftist too - Matt Taibbi (!) who I guess isn't inspiring you to seek him out either. I mean I think I worked too hard in my reply that was just going to get blown off anyway. But OK........it was a good talk nonetheless and hopefully someone will pursue the things we wrote in our posts if they like - always enjoy our talks going back to IMDB. Okay, now I'm curious why you think the speaker at the end of Oliver's show was wrong. I apologize if it seemed like I was blowing you off, but regarding the video you posted, even you said that it may not "fit my requirements" and you were right. The cop speaking seemed more defensive than anything else, and all he did was condemn the murder of George Floyd... which many cops are doing, yes, but I'm referring to the numerous other bad cops violating the rights of peaceful protestors and treating them as enemies. Where are the cops speaking out against them? Re: Heather MacDonald and her work, Mike gave a nice response already, but the fact that she'd be baffled by people arguing civil rights violations in relation to stop and frisk is enough evidence on its own that she's horrible and not worth engaging with. You suggest that I blew you off and yet it doesn't seem like you're even taking the proposed alternative solutions connected to defunding the police that I posted seriously, and would rather make jokes. Sorry, Oliver is the one being childish in this discussion?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 12, 2020 10:53:33 GMT
Well I'd say 2 things: 1. The black voice that Oliver elevated at the end of his show was a voice that - however well intentioned and emotional was wrong imo - she referenced the wrong board game too - In America it's not just about Monopoly........ it's Monopoly + Clue ..........and when Professor Plum tries to kill someone in the study with a candlestick - that defund the police mental health professional that won't respond to a text at all or with a warm hug emoji had better eventually show up to the scene with a cop and a gun. Sorry for the bad-taste absurdist humor..... but this elevation of Oliver is maddening to me. Okay, now I'm curious why you think the speaker at the end of Oliver's show was wrong. The cop speaking seemed more defensive than anything else, and all he did was condemn the murder of George Floyd... which many cops are doing, yes, but I'm referring to the numerous other bad cops violating the rights of peaceful protestors and treating them as enemies. Where are the cops speaking out against them? Re: Heather MacDonald and her work, Mike gave a nice response already, but the fact that she'd be baffled by people arguing civil rights violations in relation to stop and frisk is enough evidence on its own that she's horrible and not worth engaging with. You suggest that I blew you off and yet it doesn't seem like you're even taking the proposed alternative solutions connected to defunding the police that I posted seriously, and would rather make jokes. Sorry, Oliver is the one being childish in this discussion? Well I thought my problem with the speaker at the end of Oliver's video was quite clear within that "childish" joke actually. Not only is "Defunding the Police" a bad idea imo - but I do listen - it's just one that invites that exact level of absurdist humor. America has a gun problem and guns, like police, are not going anywhere and like Heather MacDonald observed - we're a REAL violent society - that needs cops and cops in the real world need more money or at least it's a state by state, county by county issue. I'm not saying there's not good in Defund the Police but there is no solution without law enforcement feedback, input as a staring point - everything starts with a police force staying in place and that looks far more like it already looks. The speaker at the end of the Oliver video is emotional and powerful but her brothers and sisters do own stuff and they invested in her community and while she's railing about "social contracts being broken" ......well I'd argue when anyone advocates what she's advocating (not her feelings), maybe helped break that social contract too. Heather MacDonald is "not worth engaging with" but she is (?) - she's advocating death, destruction, anarchy. I can't go there......what she said is where we start yes, but we do not find any answers in her screed. I'd say John Oliver, MacDonald, the woman in his video, and all POV are "worth engaging with". But so is this man below and so is David Dorn (RIP). ...........and let me see if I have this straight because this is how left-field you came off to me: In the video: The cop who didn't kill anyone or do anything wrong besides just BEING a cop and who must feel scared that someone may blow his head off any day now AND who represents the largest police union in America and has to speak on their entire behalf seemed "defensive" to you? If I said the woman in Olivier's video was "defensive" I'd be called racist .....or insensitive ......come on........ I've said this before: NO ONE thinks George Floyd wasn't flat out murdered and NO ONE advocates for peaceful protestors being attacked so maybe you could give one cop a break or use another word. THIS is "absolutely heartbreaking" too - and yeah the social contract has been broken for him too............. and he had a name too ....... Shay Mikalonis.
You may think I'm on the wrong side of this issue but hey I'm looking at it more like there's 0 people who mentioned him in this thread - or David Dorn - that aren't named pacinoyes .......... so when I'm not "childishly" joking............ I'm being deadly serious.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 12, 2020 11:23:13 GMT
Oh God.Why do they keep doing this?. Because they can. LMAO! It gets tiring but seriously actions speak louder than words. Nobody wants to hear from a bunch of people who speak on the subject then continue to turn a blind eye. Wake me up when they actually do something about it. You do know they're lying.
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Post by quetee on Jun 12, 2020 18:12:59 GMT
Because they can. LMAO! It gets tiring but seriously actions speak louder than words. Nobody wants to hear from a bunch of people who speak on the subject then continue to turn a blind eye. Wake me up when they actually do something about it. You do know they're lying. I watched five seconds of it and rolled my eyes cause it came off as an acting reel.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 12, 2020 20:33:07 GMT
as a statistics major i am loving to see the type of person you are calling a master of statistics lmao Well as someone who works with statistics for his actual job I am loving the preening arrogance of a mere student thinking that she's not a master of statistics.......so yeah LMAO right back at ya comrade my degree is in statistics, i've been out of college for years now & work in data lmao. but go on about how someone who thinks stop and frisk has good data behind it is a master of statistical analysis or whatever
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