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Post by Good God on Oct 12, 2019 21:50:47 GMT
Notable Films
Denzel Washington: A Soldier's Story Cry Freedom Glory Malcolm X Much Ado About Nothing Philadelphia Crimson Tide Devil in a Blue Dress Courage Under Fire He Got Game The Hurricane Remember the Titans Training Day The Manchurian Candidate Inside Man American Gangster Unstoppable Flight The Equalizer Roman J. Israel, Esq.
Tom Hanks: Big A League of Their Own Sleepless in Seattle Philadelphia Forrest Gump Apollo 13 Toy Story Saving Private Ryan The Green Mile Cast Away Road to Perdition Catch Me If You Can The Da Vinci Code Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close Captain Phillips Saving Mr. Banks Bridge of Spies Sully The Post A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood
Notable Collaborators
Denzel Washington: Norman Jewison Sidney Lumet Richard Attenborough Edward Zwick Spike Lee Mira Nair Kenneth Branagh Jonathan Demme Alan J. Pakula Tony Scott Antoine Fuqua Ridley Scott Robert Zemeckis Dan Gilroy John Lee Hancock
Tom Hanks: Ron Howard Brian De Palma Nora Ephron Jonathan Demme Robert Zemeckis Steven Spielberg Frank Darabont Sam Mendes Joel & Ethan Coen Mike Nichols Stephen Daldry Paul Greengrass John Lee Hancock Clint Eastwood Marielle Heller
Stardom & Box Office
Denzel Washington: 9 appearances on the Quigley Poll (47 weighted domestic points) $4,255M worldwide gross (according to the-numbers.com)
Tom Hanks: 17 appearances on the Quigley Poll (108 weighted domestic points) $11,195M worldwide gross (according to the-numbers.com)
Awards & Acclaim
Denzel Washington: 8 Oscar nominations and 2 wins 5 SAG nominations and 1 win 9 Globe nominations and 2 wins 2 Major Critics wins (1 NYFCC, 1 LAFCA) 2 Berlin Silver Bears 2 Best Picture nominees and 0 Best Picture winners
Tom Hanks: 6 Oscar nominations and 2 wins 5 BAFTA nominations and 0 wins 5 SAG nominations and 1 win 10 Globe nominations and 4 wins 4 Major Critics wins (1 NYFCC, 1 LAFCA, 2 NBR) 1 Berlin Silver Bear 9 Best Picture nominees and 1 Best Picture winner
Who would you say has had the better film career overall?
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 12, 2019 21:56:03 GMT
Hanks is the obvious answer imo.
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Post by stephen on Oct 12, 2019 22:00:38 GMT
I will not stand for this Cloud Atlas erasure.
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Post by Good God on Oct 12, 2019 22:03:24 GMT
I will not stand for this Cloud Atlas erasure. LOL, I was trying to be objective by including movies which had at least 2 of 4 factors going for them, with the 4 factors being: 1. Critical acclaim 2. Awards 3. Box Office 4. Audience Ratings I may have made some egregious selections, but I wanted to keep the number of movies and collaborators even (at 20 and 15) for each of them.
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 12, 2019 22:18:20 GMT
Hot take: Hanks' debut movie He Knows You're Alone is better than most of Denzel's movies. Gotta take Hanks overall, though neither have a movie in my Top 250. I assume we're going by filmography only, not theater? in which case Hanks covers a lot more across genres, and more successfully (in terms of quality), especially this century, and it's also a bit of luck that I love some stuff people hate like The Ladykillers. Speaking of the Coens, gotta say Macbeth is my #1 most anticipated and will make this convo more interesting perhaps. Hanks hasn't done Shakes on film yet...
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 12, 2019 22:37:11 GMT
Hanks for career because the killer is filmography does matter, although I do rank Washington higher as an actor - it's close, he can increment towards darker material easier imo (though the opposite POV is that Hanks can do comedy and Denzel can't do it nearly as well - a hit comedic role is a big problem for him and most big dramatic actors at least have something in that regard).
When comparing their careers what's interesting is they seem MORE interesting now at close to ~65 than they had recently - Macbeth is a big one for Denzel and Hanks as Elvis' Col. Parker may be a risky triumph (daring anyway). The ages 65-75+ are when a leading actors starts to lose their mind (and careers) ......... these guys will be interesting challengers to that cliche
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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 12, 2019 22:49:25 GMT
There's a vastness to Denzel's career that Hanks can't really match IMO. Hanks' top 4-5 or so movies are better, but the breadth and intensity of his performances is clearly not quite on Denzel's level. Denzel has been so good in so many different kinds of things. Hanks is a great actor, but he didn't play the long game as well as someone like Denzel or DiCaprio. It doesn't feel like he challenges himself anymore (I'd say not since The Terminal). He's just remembered fondly for having an incredibly fruitful decade in the 90s (which I'd extend through the early 2000s).
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Post by Good God on Oct 12, 2019 23:07:12 GMT
In terms of filmography and stardom, I don't think it's even close. Hanks takes those in a walk. In terms of collaborators (directors or even actors), it's closer but Hanks has the edge there too.
That leaves awards and acclaim. Hanks's filmography is leagues ahead of Washington's in terms of awards and acclaim. Comparing their personal acting awards mathematically:
The Oscars are clearly the most important awards (at least for English-language actors), and Washington has the edge there. 3 more nominations (even if one of his wins is in Supporting compared to Hanks's being in Lead) puts him ahead. Outside of the Oscars, Hanks has the edge. 2 Globe wins, 4 BAFTA nominations, and 2 Critics wins beats 1 SAG nomination, 2 Globe nominations, and 1 Berlin Silver Bear by my reckoning.
Even still, Washington's edge at the Oscars outweighs Hanks's edge outside of the Oscars. But it doesn't outweigh it nearly enough to make up for all the other areas where Hanks is comfortably ahead. I'd much rather have Hanks's career than Washington's.
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Post by Good God on Oct 12, 2019 23:14:30 GMT
There's a vastness to Denzel's career that Hanks can't really match IMO. Hanks' top 4-5 or so movies are better, but the breadth and intensity of his performances is clearly not quite on Denzel's level. Denzel has been so good in so many different kinds of things. Hanks is a great actor, but he didn't play the long game as well as someone like Denzel or DiCaprio. It doesn't feel like he challenges himself anymore (I'd say not since The Terminal). He's just remembered fondly for having an incredibly fruitful decade in the 90s (which I'd extend through the early 2000s). I think Washington is a better actor than Hanks, too, and I am still unsure how Hanks has 2 Oscars and became such a big star. I'd also say way less acclaimed actors like Oldman and Rourke are better actors than Hanks. But facts are facts. Hanks has been in a plethora of movies regarded as classics and he's highly acclaimed with 2 Best Actor Oscars and a bunch of other important awards. To me (and perhaps most people), he has the best career of any actor born in the 1950s.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 13, 2019 0:11:54 GMT
But in all honesty it's kind of tough to pick. I went with Hanks because I just feel that the amount of beloved classics in his career is definitely more substantial with such audience favorites like "Forrest Gump", "Saving Private Ryan" and "The Green Mile" really making me shift towards him.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 13, 2019 0:19:20 GMT
The guy with the vastly superior stage career has the overall greater career (that's Denzel) To be a stage legend and a film legend, is better than just being a film legend(and yes Hanks has a Tony nod for a Nora Ephron play and has done bits of stage and has solid theatre chops, but by no stretch of the imagination is he regarded a stage great, like Pacino or Denzel).
As an Actor, I'd take Denzel's overall career without even thinking twice about it.
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Post by Good God on Oct 13, 2019 0:22:11 GMT
Partly, but I also thought it would be good to have a forum to compare their careers comprehensively (and objectively) rather than having it be limited to narrow, cherry-picked metrics certain posters bring up just because it suits their arguments. As you can see, I've provided summations of the entirety of their careers, and it's only when you look at the entire picture that you can arrive at a meaningful conclusion or opinion.
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Post by Good God on Oct 13, 2019 0:36:29 GMT
The guy with the vastly superior stage career has the overall greater career Please don't bring up irrelevant factors (that nobody in the real world even cares about, compared to Film or even TV). Thanks.
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Post by Good God on Jan 13, 2020 18:29:08 GMT
That leaves awards and acclaim. Hanks's filmography is leagues ahead of Washington's in terms of awards and acclaim. Comparing their personal acting awards mathematically: The Oscars are clearly the most important awards (at least for English-language actors), and Washington has the edge there. 3 more nominations (even if one of his wins is in Supporting compared to Hanks's being in Lead) puts him ahead. Outside of the Oscars, Hanks has the edge. 2 Globe wins, 4 BAFTA nominations, and 2 Critics wins beats 1 SAG nomination, 2 Globe nominations, and 1 Berlin Silver Bear by my reckoning. Even still, Washington's edge at the Oscars outweighs Hanks's edge outside of the Oscars. Update: Hanks narrows the gap in the one category where he (arguably) trails Washington. Washington is ahead by: 2 Oscar nominations 1 Globe nomination 1 Berlin Silver Bear Hanks is ahead by: 5 BAFTA nominations 2 Globe wins 2 NBR wins
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 13, 2020 18:53:23 GMT
This is where filmography matters so much - even more than being able to do comedy which I've chided Washington for recently - no one is going to say "Well, Washington got 2 more Oscar nods than Hanks" irl or whatever they end up with. People don't track info like that really.
But you can never make up for or replace filmography, the world only spins forward .....like I said earlier I rank Washington higher than Hanks personally but there is no American actor with Washington's rep who has a weaker filmography - ever - there's no one even close to it.
I think you mean Hanks is ahead in acting Globe nods right -10 vs. 9 for Denzel?
Washington is ahead by: 2 Oscar nominations 1 Globe nomination 1 Berlin Silver Bear
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Post by Good God on Jan 13, 2020 19:09:52 GMT
I think you mean Hanks is ahead in acting Globe nods right -10 vs. 9 for Denzel? Washington is ahead by: 2 Oscar nominations 1 Globe nomination1 Berlin Silver Bear No, I was separating Globe wins from Globe nominations. So Hanks has 2 Globe wins against Washington's 1 Globe nomination (6 nominations+4 wins vs 7 nominations+2 wins).
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jan 14, 2020 22:48:22 GMT
I'd like to remind everyone that Hanks found his way into the business through comedy. He was a great comedic talent, even though he never did (I think) any stand up (or did he?). He's the second greatest comedic talent imo who made a powerhouse transition to drama (1st being Robin Williams, of course), complete with due awards attention. He's has got SO many cultural cornerstone Films and Roles, I can't even. The only things I'll give Denzel above Hanks are his action star cred, his theater experience, and his general, badass persona. That's it. Those who accuse Hanks of lack of range, who are you kidding, guys? Go pull up his Golden Globes montage again and exercise 2 minutes of silence while watching it. He'll get you with all the range in the world, RIGHT THERE (down to the few sec clip from The Ladykillers!). So glad to see he's slaying in this poll. EARNED. Period. A personal note: Fell in love since The Dragnet, way back late 80s as a kid. Never Looked Back. Reaching excitedly to my mom to share the news that "Our favorite actor Tom Hanks has won the Best Actor Oscar AGAIN this year" will always be my best film buff highlight. Even Bale's 2011 win doesn't beat THAT Long Live Hanks!
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Post by Good God on Feb 15, 2021 1:47:54 GMT
Thought it'd be a good time to discuss the filmographies of Hanks and Washington in more detail. Of course, as with anything in film, whose filmography you prefer is subjective, but whose filmography is better regarded is... not quite as subjective. For the purposes of this discussion, I'll keep my opinions out and just refer to empirical facts and data.
Awards
Tom Hanks: 1 Best Picture winner 9 Best Picture nominees (8 if you ignore Toy Story 3)
Denzel Washington: 0 Best Picture winners 2 Best Picture nominees
Critics Reviews
Tom Hanks: 3 movies with Metacritic score of 90-100 (1 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 7 movies with Metacritic score of 80-89 (5 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 8 movies with RT Critics Average of 8-10/10 (4 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 6 movies with RT Critics Average of 7.5-8/10
Denzel Washington: 0 movies with Metacritic score of 90-100 1 movie with Metacritic score of 80-89 0 movies with RT Critics Average of 8-10/10 4 movies with RT Critics Average of 7.5-8/10
Audience Ratings
Tom Hanks: 6 movies on the IMDb Top 250 (4 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 7 movies with Letterboxd score of 4-5/5 (4 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 18 movies with RT Audience Average of 4-5/5 (15 if you ignore the Toy Story movies)
Denzel Washington: 0 movies on the IMDb Top 250 1 movie with Letterboxd score of 4-5/5 14 movies with RT Audience Average of 4-5/5
The results aren't surprising in the least. As everybody knows, while Hanks's filmography might not be to everyone's taste, it's beloved by general audiences and chock-full of modern classics. His filmography beats Washington's every which way, whether it be industry respect, critics reviews, or audience scores. I also had a look at dubious metrics like Amazon Prime Video scores, but even movies like Gigli have 4.2/5 ratings on there, so I opted to leave that for another time. I think most reasonable people would agree that Hanks has the most celebrated filmography of any actor his generation. And there are no signs of that changing.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 15, 2021 2:07:33 GMT
Thought it'd be a good time to discuss the filmographies of Hanks and Washington in more detail. Of course, as with anything in film, whose filmography you prefer is subjective, but whose filmography is better regarded is... not quite as subjective. For the purposes of this discussion, I'll keep my opinions out and just refer to empirical facts and data. AwardsTom Hanks: 1 Best Picture winner 9 Best Picture nominees (8 if you ignore Toy Story 3) Denzel Washington: 0 Best Picture winners 2 Best Picture nominees Critics ReviewsTom Hanks: 3 movies with Metacritic score of 90-100 (1 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 7 movies with Metacritic score of 80-89 (5 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 10 movies with Metacritic score of 70-79 8 movies with RT Critics Average of 8-10/10 (4 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 6 movies with RT Critics Average of 7.5-8/10 Denzel Washington: 0 movies with Metacritic score of 90-100 1 movie with Metacritic score of 80-89 11 movies with Metacritic score of 70-79 0 movies with RT Critics Average of 8-10/10 4 movies with RT Critics Average of 7.5-8/10 Audience RatingsTom Hanks: 6 movies on the IMDb Top 250 (4 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 7 movies with Letterboxd score of 4-5/5 (4 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) 18 movies with RT Audience Average of 4-5/5 (15 if you ignore the Toy Story movies) Denzel Washington: 0 movies on the IMDb Top 250 1 movie with Letterboxd score of 4-5/5 14 movies with RT Audience Average of 4-5/5 The results aren't surprising in the least. As everybody knows, while Hanks's filmography might not be to everyone's taste, it's beloved by general audiences and chock-full of modern classics. His filmography beats Washington's every which way, whether it be industry respect, critics reviews, or audience scores. I also had a look at dubious metrics like Amazon Prime Video scores, but even movies like Gigli have 4.2/5 ratings on there, so I opted to leave that for another time. I think most reasonable people would agree that Hanks has the most celebrated filmography of any actor his generation. And there are no signs of that changing. It's slipping. Hanks' 90s was ridiculous and impossible to recreate, but he went so far in the other direction. News of the World is right there, and I'd rather watch Riverdale.
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Post by Good God on Feb 15, 2021 2:43:34 GMT
It's slipping. Hanks' 90s was ridiculous and impossible to recreate, but he went so far in the other direction. News of the World is right there, and I'd rather watch Riverdale. To be fair, actors tend to hit their prime somewhere between the ages of 30-60, and Hanks is nearly 65 now. I think it's unrealistic to expect him to do as well in his 60s as in his 30s or 40s. I think his career trajectory is what you'd expect it to be like. If you compare Hanks's recent filmography to his peers, you'd find that he's doing reasonably well. In the past decade: Tom HanksToy Story 3 Captain Phillips Bridge of Spies Sully The Post A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood News of the World Daniel Day-LewisLincoln Phantom Thread Denzel WashingtonUnstoppable Flight The Equalizer Fences Roman J. Israel, Esq. The Little Things Sean PennThe Tree of Life This Must Be the Place Gangster Squad The Gunman The Professor and the Madman Gary OldmanHarry Potter Tinker Tailer Soldier Spy The Dark Knight Rises Dawn of the Planet of the Apes The Darkest Hour Mank In terms of filmography, I think Hanks is at least keeping pace with his peers, if not still outpacing them all.
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Post by franklin on Feb 15, 2021 3:53:54 GMT
Exactly, it's not the iconic 90s (some may found it exaggerated, but i think Hanks's run in that decade is up there with DeNiro/Pac/Nicholson in the 70s and DiCaprio in the 00s and 10s), however Hanks's career is still better than anyone among his contemporaries. I don't think i've ever seen an actor whose career in his late 50s and 60s is still this consistent and good.
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Post by Good God on Feb 15, 2021 5:36:03 GMT
Exactly, it's not the iconic 90s (some may found it exaggerated, but i think Hanks's run in that decade is up there with DeNiro/Pac/Nicholson in the 70s and DiCaprio in the 00s and 10s), however Hanks's career is still better than anyone among his contemporaries. I don't think i've never seen an actor whose career in his late 50s and 60s is still this consistent and good. I don't know if we'll ever see any actor match what De Niro/Pacino/Nicholson did in the '70s, just in terms of their number of bone fide masterpieces and the quality of their work in them, but I can see what you mean about Hanks's '90s. As an overall success package, what Hanks achieved in that decade is astonishing. He was basically top-shelf in every possible domain of success for an actor: 1. Hanks was probably the most acclaimed actor of the decade, with 2 Lead Actor wins and 1 additional Lead Actor nomination. 2. Hanks was arguably the biggest movie star of the decade (or more likely 2nd only to Tom Cruise). 3. Hanks had probably the most celebrated filmography of the decade, with decade-defining films like Forrest Gump, Saving Private Ryan, Apollo 13, and The Green Mile. Only DiCaprio in the '10s has since managed something akin to that.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 15, 2021 8:29:12 GMT
The closest any big Oscar nominated actor is to Denzel Washington in weak filmography is actually Jessica Lange 4 of her 6 nods were as a sole nominee (which I think is a record along w/Streep) - and her list of nominated films is somewhat comparable. Lange is great, Denzel too but both in limited ways .......with any big time actor at some point it always comes down to "how great were they?" - Denzel didn't have a BP nominee as a lead until he was 62-63 - and he has just that 1 as a lead - it's an obvious shortfall of his, always has been, probably always will be .......you can correct filmography a little but not in your 60s and not that much. Denzel Washington: 0 Best Picture winners 2 Best Picture nominees
Denzel Washington: 0 movies on the IMDb Top 250
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 15, 2021 11:18:33 GMT
I much prefer Hanks as an actor, and I think he has a better filmography. Denzel has had a much better theater career, and honestly I think the way he carved his own niche in a white-centric industry is impressive. He hasn't had that much of a chance to work with big, established auters and directors (just those two films with Ridley Scott, and only now he's making a film with the Coens), I don't know why, I have no idea whether he's difficult to work with or what, I just think we would think differently of him if he had worked more with high-profile directors.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 15, 2021 13:06:41 GMT
I much prefer Hanks as an actor, and I think he has a better filmography. Denzel has had a much better theater career, and honestly I think the way he carved his own niche in a white-centric industry is impressive. He hasn't had that much of a chance to work with big, established auters and directors (just those two films with Ridley Scott, and only now he's making a film with the Coens), I don't know why, I have no idea whether he's difficult to work with or what, I just think we would think differently of him if he had worked more with high-profile directors. I dunno...He's made 4 movies with one of the most revered auteurs in the industry... Spike Lee. That's more than many can claim. Or does he only need to work with major white auteurs for that to be recognised as an accomplishment? (I regard Lee as a much more significant auteur than Ridley Scott by the way, whom he only made one film with).
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