Martin Scorsese Calls Out Marvel and Superhero Movies: ‘That’s Not Cinema’ “It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being,” “The Irishman” director says.
Don’t expect to see a superhero movie directed by Martin Scorsese any time soon.
The Oscar-winning auteur and director of the upcoming “The Irishman,” Scorsese isn’t a fan of the superhero genre, specifically Marvel movies. The director was asked in an interview with Empire magazine specifically if he’s caught up with the Marvel movies, and though he watches a lot of films, Scorsese said that wasn’t able to make it through all 23 MCU titles.
“I tried, you know?” Scorsese said. “But that’s not cinema.”
Scorsese compared the feelings they create more closely to theme parks than an actual movie.
“Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks,” he said. “It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.”
Scorsese certainly has his admirers in thesuperhero genre, however. Opening this weekend is “Joker,” which borrows heavily from Scorsese’s “The King of Comedy” and “Taxi Driver,” even featuring his long-time collaborator Robert De Niro.“Avengers: Endgame” is now the highest-grossing movie of all time worldwide, beating out James Cameron’s “Avatar,” another director and auteur who hasn’t been shy about expressing his frustration with the blockbusters.
I'm really not a fan of superhero films. I liked Burton's Batman and Nolan's Batman films, which I thought all were great. I also liked the first two Spiderman movies well enough. Aside from this Superhero Movies did nothing to me. Though I haven't even seen many of them.
But I disagree in that aspect that to me cinema isn't only about emotional, psychological experiences. Primarily it is about telling stories. Though of course it's better if they are able to evoke emotions from the viewer.
I agree. Except Batman and Spiderman Universe, the superheroes universe there are no trully motivations, all the characters are totally unsympatethic. They are fun (sometimes) to watch, maybe even could be moral idols for children.
But there isn't character devolopment, there isn't a story, everything is unreal, and cinematical speaking there aren't more relevant than a Maria Montez technicolor movie.-
Batman and Spiderman are different. Batman is a complex bipolar character, while Spiderman is a teenage with anxiety.-
Thor, Wonder Woman, Aquaman they are gods. So they couldn't be heroes. Iron Man, Black Panther are rulers.- The X Men, a product of other age.- Captain America is more like Hector, but Hector died not even at the end, while Capi is Frozen.
Eh...it's kinda horseshit. Cinema is what you make of it. It should have no limits in terms of genre and imagination.Wonder if he was telling this stuff to his filmmaker buddies Spielberg and Lucas in the 70's and 80's when they were creating the modern blockbuster with things like Star Wars, ET and Indiana Jones? Their concept of "cinema" came out of 1950 B-movies and Adventure Serials. Because those movies, while not technically "superhero" movies, are pretty much the same fucking thing in concept. Stories that expand our imagination and sense of wonder, are just as valuable and worthwhile as psychologically realistic kitchen sink dramas or Italian Neo-realism. Some are good, some are bad. Some are average. But we need them all.
Akira is cinema. But maybe Scorsese might just write it off as some cartoon . They used to shit on westerns and Sci-fi when they had their day in the sun as well.
He says a lot of things ......he said the Spike Lee's inclusion of CNN footage in Blackkklansman was great (it's really not, don't get me started again ), he just recently said he doesn't "get" The Sopranos which is much more surprising than these comments.
If you ever hear Schrader or Mamet discuss Screenwriting you can get tangled up in a lot of their theories on what makes a screenplay - Mamet famously discussed Flight's shaky at best screenplay as being classically perfect because to him it follows a structure/arc/pattern - and when you hear him tell it, it's far more interesting than his premise sounds.
It's best not to get to bogged down with this stuff - he's not saying they don't have a place at the table just that from conception to execution they don't follow "cinema" and that it's different from previous genre fare in what it attempts to achieve and how it goes about it that's all.
Well, his opinion is absolutely as valid as anybody's. And since he's specifically talking about MCU here...we can all understand where he's coming from. They're indeed closer to theme park rides with barely any cinematic language to talk about. Then again, similar things can be said about many other genre movies too. I don't personally see theme park movies as anything bad. They're just one of the many options movies have to offer. I enjoy Jerry Bruckheimer blockbusters, for example, even though they're total theme park rides (but WITH their own strong cinematic viewpoint as opposed to the MCU stuff).
I do disagree with him a little bit about the 'emotional experience' part of it since these movies at least partially try to encompass some emotional content amidst all the special effects. There is actually some character work intercut with the action sequences.
I can’t really add anything, except that “cinema” as a descriptor is kind of becoming outdated. Like the whole “there’s a difference between ‘film’ and movie.’” I could have a whole laugh about that subject.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 5, 2019 2:34:54 GMT
People are making way too big of a dea out of this. He makes great movies and can have an opinion. I personally don’t begrudge Marvel movies (or dumb comedies, or rom coms, or blockbusters) for sticking to a formula that works for them and staying in their lane. While I won’t consider those types of movies on the level of The Irishman or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood...it doesn’t mean I still don’t enjoy them for what they are. I like fancy steakhouses and Italian restaurants and I also like Chipotle and Firehouse Subs.
I sometimes enjoy marvel films.. as pure fluff. He’s absolutely correct about 90% of them. They are like theme park attractions. Nothing wrong with enjoying going to a theme park. Obviously Mr Scorsese is not a fan of that type of entertainment. He’s not calling it bad. Just fluff and a bit brainless which I enjoy sometimes and he doesn't. Who cares?
Saying that something is "not cinema" is a bit pretentious. They're movies utilizing the same medium as anything else. As for thinking most of them suck and don't convey real human emotions, he's right.