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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 4, 2019 16:06:35 GMT
www.thewrap.com/martin-scorsese-calls-out-marvel-and-superhero-movies-thats-not-cinema/ Martin Scorsese Calls Out Marvel and Superhero Movies: ‘That’s Not Cinema’ “It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being,” “The Irishman” director says. Don’t expect to see a superhero movie directed by Martin Scorsese any time soon. The Oscar-winning auteur and director of the upcoming “The Irishman,” Scorsese isn’t a fan of the superhero genre, specifically Marvel movies. The director was asked in an interview with Empire magazine specifically if he’s caught up with the Marvel movies, and though he watches a lot of films, Scorsese said that wasn’t able to make it through all 23 MCU titles. “I tried, you know?” Scorsese said. “But that’s not cinema.” Scorsese compared the feelings they create more closely to theme parks than an actual movie. “Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks,” he said. “It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.” Scorsese certainly has his admirers in thesuperhero genre, however. Opening this weekend is “Joker,” which borrows heavily from Scorsese’s “The King of Comedy” and “Taxi Driver,” even featuring his long-time collaborator Robert De Niro.“Avengers: Endgame” is now the highest-grossing movie of all time worldwide, beating out James Cameron’s “Avatar,” another director and auteur who hasn’t been shy about expressing his frustration with the blockbusters.
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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 4, 2019 16:10:42 GMT
I mean, he isn't wrong. But then, his movies aren't much better.
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 4, 2019 16:25:57 GMT
The "theme park" comparison is spot-on.
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Post by jimmalone on Oct 4, 2019 16:45:28 GMT
I'm really not a fan of superhero films. I liked Burton's Batman and Nolan's Batman films, which I thought all were great. I also liked the first two Spiderman movies well enough. Aside from this Superhero Movies did nothing to me. Though I haven't even seen many of them.
But I disagree in that aspect that to me cinema isn't only about emotional, psychological experiences. Primarily it is about telling stories. Though of course it's better if they are able to evoke emotions from the viewer.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 4, 2019 17:00:11 GMT
He’s right.
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 4, 2019 17:15:46 GMT
Not being a true fan of super hero movies, I sort of agree. Of course many of these films are really enjoyable but still... theme parks!!
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Post by Javi on Oct 4, 2019 17:23:15 GMT
He's being too polite tbh.
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Post by Good God on Oct 4, 2019 17:25:17 GMT
Marvel getting BTFO by Based Scorsese.
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Post by Archie on Oct 4, 2019 17:28:33 GMT
I mean, he isn't wrong. But then, his movies aren't much better. How do you delete someone else's post?
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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 4, 2019 17:36:16 GMT
I mean, he isn't wrong. But then, his movies aren't much better. How do you delete someone else's post? With a cash donation to a very good cause.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 4, 2019 19:21:52 GMT
I agree. Except Batman and Spiderman Universe, the superheroes universe there are no trully motivations, all the characters are totally unsympatethic. They are fun (sometimes) to watch, maybe even could be moral idols for children.
But there isn't character devolopment, there isn't a story, everything is unreal, and cinematical speaking there aren't more relevant than a Maria Montez technicolor movie.-
Batman and Spiderman are different. Batman is a complex bipolar character, while Spiderman is a teenage with anxiety.-
Thor, Wonder Woman, Aquaman they are gods. So they couldn't be heroes. Iron Man, Black Panther are rulers.- The X Men, a product of other age.- Captain America is more like Hector, but Hector died not even at the end, while Capi is Frozen.
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Post by Film Socialism on Oct 4, 2019 20:01:16 GMT
based but scorsese been kinda missing for a while too
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 4, 2019 20:31:45 GMT
Eh...it's kinda horseshit. Cinema is what you make of it. It should have no limits in terms of genre and imagination.Wonder if he was telling this stuff to his filmmaker buddies Spielberg and Lucas in the 70's and 80's when they were creating the modern blockbuster with things like Star Wars, ET and Indiana Jones? Their concept of "cinema" came out of 1950 B-movies and Adventure Serials. Because those movies, while not technically "superhero" movies, are pretty much the same fucking thing in concept. Stories that expand our imagination and sense of wonder, are just as valuable and worthwhile as psychologically realistic kitchen sink dramas or Italian Neo-realism. Some are good, some are bad. Some are average. But we need them all.
Akira is cinema. But maybe Scorsese might just write it off as some cartoon . They used to shit on westerns and Sci-fi when they had their day in the sun as well.
So, still love ya Marty, but no.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 4, 2019 20:47:55 GMT
He says a lot of things ......he said the Spike Lee's inclusion of CNN footage in Blackkklansman was great (it's really not, don't get me started again ), he just recently said he doesn't "get" The Sopranos which is much more surprising than these comments. If you ever hear Schrader or Mamet discuss Screenwriting you can get tangled up in a lot of their theories on what makes a screenplay - Mamet famously discussed Flight's shaky at best screenplay as being classically perfect because to him it follows a structure/arc/pattern - and when you hear him tell it, it's far more interesting than his premise sounds. It's best not to get to bogged down with this stuff - he's not saying they don't have a place at the table just that from conception to execution they don't follow "cinema" and that it's different from previous genre fare in what it attempts to achieve and how it goes about it that's all.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 4, 2019 20:57:00 GMT
Well, his opinion is absolutely as valid as anybody's. And since he's specifically talking about MCU here...we can all understand where he's coming from. They're indeed closer to theme park rides with barely any cinematic language to talk about. Then again, similar things can be said about many other genre movies too. I don't personally see theme park movies as anything bad. They're just one of the many options movies have to offer. I enjoy Jerry Bruckheimer blockbusters, for example, even though they're total theme park rides (but WITH their own strong cinematic viewpoint as opposed to the MCU stuff).
I do disagree with him a little bit about the 'emotional experience' part of it since these movies at least partially try to encompass some emotional content amidst all the special effects. There is actually some character work intercut with the action sequences.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 4, 2019 23:54:37 GMT
Sasha Stone twitt Sasha Stone Cuenta verificada @awardsdaily 2 hhace 2 horas MásSasha Stone Retwitteó Max Weiss His worst movie > any Marvel movie
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Oct 5, 2019 0:08:19 GMT
I can’t really add anything, except that “cinema” as a descriptor is kind of becoming outdated. Like the whole “there’s a difference between ‘film’ and movie.’” I could have a whole laugh about that subject.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 5, 2019 2:34:54 GMT
People are making way too big of a dea out of this. He makes great movies and can have an opinion. I personally don’t begrudge Marvel movies (or dumb comedies, or rom coms, or blockbusters) for sticking to a formula that works for them and staying in their lane. While I won’t consider those types of movies on the level of The Irishman or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood...it doesn’t mean I still don’t enjoy them for what they are. I like fancy steakhouses and Italian restaurants and I also like Chipotle and Firehouse Subs.
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Post by bob-coppola on Oct 5, 2019 2:53:53 GMT
This is such a boring conversation, and I kind of agree with Scorsese. But still, 2012 called and asked for its discourse back.
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Post by Drish on Oct 5, 2019 10:40:41 GMT
I don't know man! "Cinema" or not, I was utterly moved watching Endgame.
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Post by bobbydpacino on Oct 5, 2019 16:35:47 GMT
I sometimes enjoy marvel films.. as pure fluff. He’s absolutely correct about 90% of them. They are like theme park attractions. Nothing wrong with enjoying going to a theme park. Obviously Mr Scorsese is not a fan of that type of entertainment. He’s not calling it bad. Just fluff and a bit brainless which I enjoy sometimes and he doesn't. Who cares?
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Post by countjohn on Oct 5, 2019 16:43:06 GMT
Saying that something is "not cinema" is a bit pretentious. They're movies utilizing the same medium as anything else. As for thinking most of them suck and don't convey real human emotions, he's right.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 5, 2019 17:26:07 GMT
Are we seriously having this conversation again
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Oct 5, 2019 21:00:51 GMT
How can he say that?! Did he not see Black Panther?!
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Post by bob-coppola on Oct 5, 2019 21:06:30 GMT
Are we seriously having this conversation again I feel like, every 3 months, we're forced to have this conversation all over again. This or the Netflix debacle.
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