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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 19, 2019 21:39:32 GMT
I didn't want to stack the deck so I left out the obvious guys who clearly can do both (like Hanks) and instead just focused on the guys who used to at least get criticized as "oh they can't do comedy" from some critics at least - or were told to "lighten up".
On some level Pitt doesn't fit here because to me he is a comedic actor but I added him to keep the OUATIH crew together. So who's your pick for comic chops?
Pick 2!
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 19, 2019 22:48:25 GMT
Di Caprio by far.
And you're right, Pitt is not exactly a dramatic actor. He has done comedy in the past.
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Post by stephen on Aug 19, 2019 23:03:17 GMT
Daniel Day-Lewis's comedic potential is vastly understated. Even going back to his early days, the guy's capacity for comedy has been in force. He's a stuffy riot in A Room With A View, he shows great comedic timing in dramatic parts like Gangs of New York, There Will Be Blood and Lincoln, and of course he puts on a veritable clinic in Phantom Thread.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 20, 2019 3:59:54 GMT
I wouldn't call Edward Norton 's comedic skills a big surprise. In his debut year, he was in Woody Allen 's Everyone says I love you. Even his own movie, whom he directed and where he's one of the leads, is a comedy (Keeping the faith).
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 20, 2019 9:05:15 GMT
I wouldn't call Edward Norton 's comedic skills a big surprise. In his debut year, he was in Woody Allen 's Everyone says I love you. Even his own movie, whom he directed and where he's one of the leads, is a comedy (Keeping the faith). Maybe because those weren't seen as much relative to what people know him for I guess. I personally think he's hilariously goofy in the TV show Modern Family btw for those who've seen that episode.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 20, 2019 15:32:02 GMT
I'm a little surprised there's not more support for Bale so far - given American Psycho and The Big Short - in a way he might be like Sean Penn is where people find him somewhat humorless in real life and maybe judge his roles by it too.
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Post by stephen on Aug 20, 2019 15:39:23 GMT
- given American Psycho and The Big Short - These roles are precisely why I didn't pick Bale.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 20, 2019 15:44:25 GMT
Bale cannot be considered comedic by no means. Well, in my book he isn't considered dramatic actor either. I don't think he can be placed in a specific genre.
And certainly people don't think he can do comedy.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 20, 2019 15:54:57 GMT
- given American Psycho and The Big Short - These roles are precisely why I didn't pick Bale.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 20, 2019 15:56:13 GMT
I kind of agree, actually.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 20, 2019 17:27:11 GMT
Pitt is primarily comedic, as far as I see him. So discounting Pitt, I choose Norton... who I also see as primarily comedic, what with Fight Club and Moonrise Kingdom being what I associate with the guy.
Only comedy I've seen from Washington was Much Ado About Nothing, where his job was to look sexy and be charming. He delivered in spades, but it wasn't really a comedic role so much as a really good piece of furniture in a comedy.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 20, 2019 17:28:45 GMT
Speaking of Phoenix, Mel Gibson was strikingly funny in Signs. Blood Father too. He has that crazy grandpa thing down really well, I'd love to see him do more comedy. Maybe a GotG style movie, I think that would fit his style.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 20, 2019 17:56:51 GMT
Pitt is primarily comedic, as far as I see him. So discounting Pitt, I choose Norton... who I also see as primarily comedic, what with Fight Club and Moonrise Kingdom being what I associate with the guy. Only comedy I've seen from Washington was Much Ado About Nothing, where his job was to look sexy and be charming. He delivered in spades, but it wasn't really a comedic role so much as a really good piece of furniture in a comedy. I have a mixed assessment on some of these guys - DiCaprio has all of a sudden gotten quite funny quite fast - in the 2010s he's added a ton of skills to his toolbox that before I didn't see tbh. He's gotten funny AND improved as a dramatic actor - quite a neat trick when you look at it. Pitt & Norton I agree with your comments on but Bale, DDL and Washington are a strange crew in this regard. To me American Psycho was a black comic triumph for Bale, and The Big Short was rather daring too imo - and could have been seen as not funny and offensive even - and he got a deserved nomination for it which not many of the guys here have done for comic work...........I agree with what stephen said about DDL in comedy and because he did so little work overall he avoided it overtly after the failure of Stars and Bars and Eversmile, NJ it looks like it's missing........ though he incorporated it slyly - so slyly people miss it a bit even too. Washington is "somewhat" like DDL but not as much imo - I don't think he's pulled off comedy that well in overt comedies and he has a few.......but he hasn't big time failed at it either and slips it in at times with his drama roles too - sometimes riotously (Training Day). His problem is more his peers in their 60s rather than himself - his peers all had big success with overt comedy or at least clearer noticeable success with it (Penn, Hanks, Spacey, Bridges, Cage). I think Washington would like another crack at a true comedy actually if he sees a script that catches his eye.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 20, 2019 18:16:31 GMT
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Post by stephen on Aug 20, 2019 18:18:50 GMT
I still maintain that he's a very fine straight man in Stars and Bars (a movie absolutely owned by Glenne Headly), but yeah, Eversmile, NJ was an utter dumpster fire that even he couldn't save.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 11, 2022 13:12:34 GMT
I wouldn't call Edward Norton 's comedic skills a big surprise. In his debut year, he was in Woody Allen 's Everyone says I love you. Even his own movie, whom he directed and where he's one of the leads, is a comedy (Keeping the faith). Maybe because those weren't seen as much relative to what people know him for I guess. I personally think he's hilariously goofy in the TV show Modern Family btw for those who've seen that episode. Given that Glass Onion casts Norton as a smug tech billionaire - Norton seems to be leaning into his comic side these days - and not just the comic side but the self-aware mocking Ed Norton himself side........ he did comedy but wasn't particularly memorable in it until he mocked "the idea of Ed Norton" to an Oscar nod in Birdman (or Modern Family, um ^) - straight drama has surprisngly paid lesser dividends for him with Motherless Brooklyn ........at one time it was unthinkable that he would limit heavy drama this much .......... which basically established his (somewhat overrated, imo) rep ......
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 11, 2022 18:15:24 GMT
Can confirm, Norton is great/hilarious in Glass Onion.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 25, 2022 1:51:56 GMT
Hard. none was an actor that I laugh because he is funny. From all these Di Caprio was by faaar the most succesful. But even there were more drammady than commedy. I pick Norton. At least he almost started in commedies.
So my choice is Norton. Runner up is Di Caprio.
I dont remeber a Joaquim Phoenix commedy since TovL Die For.
I think that Christian could laugh without prostetics. Unfortunately his clowny performance arent for screwball commedies. Day Lewis never was good in commedie. Some people will say but he was hilarious in the James Ivory film. Wrong he was a character actor making his part right. The same of eversmile New Jersey. That was a kind of commedy (uruguayan most famous commedian had bit parts there) but his rol was serious. Maybe the most funny role was the Seducción of Juliette Binoche in the Kundera adaptation.
Denzel I only remember 2 commedies. The Whitney Houston that I never finish snd a Shakespeare Commedy where his part was slim.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 25, 2022 8:24:32 GMT
Hard. none was an actor that I laugh because he is funny. From all these Di Caprio was by faaar the most succesful. But even there were more drammady than commedy. I pick Norton. At least he almost started in commedies. So my choice is Norton. Runner up is Di Caprio. I dont remeber a Joaquim Phoenix commedy since TovL Die For. I think that Christian could laugh without prostetics. Unfortunately his clowny performance arent for screwball commedies. Day Lewis never was good in commedie. Some people will say but he was hilarious in the James Ivory film. Wrong he was a character actor making his part right. The same of eversmile New Jersey. That was a kind of commedy (uruguayan most famous commedian had bit parts there) but his rol was serious. Maybe the most funny role was the Seducción of Juliette Binoche in the Kundera adaptation.
Denzel I only remember 2 commedies. The Whitney Houston that I never finish snd a Shakespeare Commedy where his part was slim. To me DDL used comedy far more effectively than Denzel or Phoenix - at the end of his career. But TWBB and especially Phantom Thread imo are really funny and etched with odd and memorable comic touches - though I don't see either as "dark comedies" the way some people do........he's funny within the drama of both movies. Overall I don't think DDL was that adept at comedy or didn't show it much anyway - if he was I'd rank him higher on "the GOAT list" personally - but he was a different actor - or showed it - at the end than he was at any point prior for me in this way......that's what makes acting fun and why you never know what an actor can or will do: .........prior to Phantom Thread I'd call him often (not always) incomplete as an actor - not usually funny, not particularly memorable opposite a female .........and he did both of those spectacularly in a completely rounded way in Phantom Thread.....he confounded you there and was harder to figure out and to assess. and then ...........he left ........
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 25, 2022 14:02:01 GMT
Hard. none was an actor that I laugh because he is funny. From all these Di Caprio was by faaar the most succesful. But even there were more drammady than commedy. I pick Norton. At least he almost started in commedies. So my choice is Norton. Runner up is Di Caprio. I dont remeber a Joaquim Phoenix commedy since TovL Die For. I think that Christian could laugh without prostetics. Unfortunately his clowny performance arent for screwball commedies. Day Lewis never was good in commedie. Some people will say but he was hilarious in the James Ivory film. Wrong he was a character actor making his part right. The same of eversmile New Jersey. That was a kind of commedy (uruguayan most famous commedian had bit parts there) but his rol was serious. Maybe the most funny role was the Seducción of Juliette Binoche in the Kundera adaptation.
Denzel I only remember 2 commedies. The Whitney Houston that I never finish snd a Shakespeare Commedy where his part was slim. To me DDL used comedy far more effectively than Denzel or Phoenix - at the end of his career. But TWBB and especially Phantom Thread imo are really funny and etched with odd and memorable comic touches - though I don't see either as "dark comedies" the way some people do........he's funny within the drama of both movies. Overall I don't think DDL was that adept at comedy or didn't show it much anyway - if he was I'd rank him higher on "the GOAT list" personally - but he was a different actor - or showed it - at the end than he was at any point prior for me in this way......that's what makes acting fun and why you never know what an actor can or will do: .........prior to Phantom Thread I'd call him often (not always) incomplete as an actor - not usually funny, not particularly memorable opposite a female .........and he did both of those spectacularly in a completely rounded way in Phantom Thread.....he confounded you there and was harder to figure out and to assess. and then ...........he left ........ I never seen something particullary special in the Phantom Thread. I like the film in general., Manville performance and of course DDL. I was in my late 30s, and I couldnt find the hype. Nothing of Daniel Day Lewis that haven't seen before. Maybe a perfect testament of all his previous works. There are two means of commedy. A play that has a happy ending or a funny film. In this 2 meaning all the actors made commedy. But none was like Garbo in Ninotchka. Never DDL laughs and make you laugh. With Denzel is the most serious of the bunch. And unlike Denzel Ive seen almost all DDL filmography (I dont rememberif Ive seen Stars and Bars of the Bounty. Ive seen Gandhimore than once but I dont remember his part). Yep I laugh a couple of times for his sinister humor. But still he isnt a commedian. He tried and failed miserally in Nine, he has not the timing that a commedy requires. Edward Norton, Leonardo Di Caprio have and a young Joaquim Phoenix had. I have no clue if Christian Bale has. And never seen on DDL or DW .
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 25, 2023 21:56:42 GMT
Damn, the propaganda that Denzel never did anything significant in comedy really was successful on this board , especially considering he has become part of one of the most increasingly well regarded Christmas Romantic Comedies Of All-time as the lead with The Preacher's Wife . Ranked #25 in Rolling Stone's Greatest Christmas Movies Of All Time.
Washington took on the challenge of Cary Grant, the greatest male romantic comedian of all time, nailed it, and helped create a classic rom-com of his own. And weirdly never seems to get enough credit for it, because he didn't milk it and keep making rom-coms of increasingly depreciating value Matthew McConaughey style, even though it's obvious he can do the genre effortlessly based on The Preacher's Wife.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 25, 2023 22:26:15 GMT
Day-Lewis gains so much here from his 2 collabs with PTA .......DiCaprio made his career imo by doing it in the 2010s extremely effectively.....Denzel is not particularly funny - though he's funny in Training Day..... Meryl Streep answered about comic acting - what Emma Stone is killing these days by willing to look ridiculous, or foolish or "outside herself" - in a great old interview ( TylerDeneuve): Why is it actors never seen satisfied about doing what they’re really good at? Barbra Streisand excels in light comedies, but prefers heavier drama; Al Pacino’s strength is drama, but he wants to do comedy…
He’s right. He’s very, very funny. “American Buffalo” was the perfect thing for him, that blend. He should do that as a film, he was so great. I saw him and Duvall do that – it was one of the best things I’ve ever seen. Ever. He’s funny even in his most serious roles. He’s always putting a twist on something. Look at “Dog Day Afternoon”. Fantastic. That’s an actor’s dream, to find something where you get laughs and it’s excruciatingly moving at the same time.www.simplystreep.com/articles/199208movieline/
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 25, 2023 22:48:44 GMT
Denzel's a hoot in The Preacher's Wife. Part of the reason that film has staying power.
Would love to see him in a few more rom-coms before he calls it a day, because he's a natural.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 26, 2023 1:53:57 GMT
Also, I really admire Phantom Thread and Day-Lewis in it, but it's not a comedy and DDL isn't giving a comedic performance in it. It's a dramatic performance laced with humorous asides. Where do people come up with this shit . He's not even doing comedy in A Room With A View. He's just playing a fop. He can be humorous in dramatic roles, but any dramatic actor who can't do that isn't worth much to begin with. I don't count Training Day and Inside Man as comedy, even though Denzel is at times very funny in both films. Proper genre comedy? Never seen DDL do it well. Pedro Almodovar famously said DDL couldn't do comedy, and he's right, only to the point that he hasn't really done it successfully yet, but he worked so little, that he didn't give himself enough opportunities to find out if he could. www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/pedro-almodovar-says-daniel-day-lewis-cant-do-comedy-and-neither-could-marlon-brando-98536/
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Post by DanQuixote on Dec 26, 2023 12:50:27 GMT
Every dramatic A-list actor should be cast as a buffoon by the Coen Brothers, like a rite of passage.
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