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Post by Real Duality on Mar 12, 2017 15:24:58 GMT
What I really like about this is she put her principles before appeasing certain powerful Hollywood figures. I'm for awarding the acting, not the personal life, so I of course think Casey should have gotten the award if he deserved it. But that's not what I'm talking about. I don't like when people abuse their power to scare people into submission. There has been talk of Casey's connections Matt Damon and brother Ben gangstering their way into making sure no one said or did anything that interfered with his path to winning. Threatening to blackball certain people, and things of that nature. These are men with major clout in Hollywood, so most people in the industry would want to be on their good side. But here comes Brie Larson not bullshitting about the fact that her demeanor up there meant something. In a town full of ass kissers who are so afraid of burning bridges, I admire that. I honestly really admire Matt and Ben for pressuring certain people in the media not to be irresponsible. It is not like they were saying don't cover the story. They just told them if you are going to call him guilty, then we aren't going to interact with you anymore. It was beautiful. If it was women doing this sort of thing, people would applaud it. I have no idea why you are bringing Brie into this. The powerful people were on the side of her attacking Casey, not the other way around.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Mar 12, 2017 15:58:34 GMT
More power to her !
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Post by Zeb31 on Mar 12, 2017 16:35:22 GMT
It is not like they were saying don't cover the story. They just told them if you are going to call him guilty, then we aren't going to interact with you anymore. It was beautiful. If it was women doing this sort of thing, people would applaud it.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 12, 2017 17:08:17 GMT
What I really like about this is she put her principles before appeasing certain powerful Hollywood figures. I'm for awarding the acting, not the personal life, so I of course think Casey should have gotten the award if he deserved it. But that's not what I'm talking about. I don't like when people abuse their power to scare people into submission. There has been talk of Casey's connections Matt Damon and brother Ben gangstering their way into making sure no one said or did anything that interfered with his path to winning. Threatening to blackball certain people, and things of that nature. These are men with major clout in Hollywood, so most people in the industry would want to be on their good side. But here comes Brie Larson not bullshitting about the fact that her demeanor up there meant something. In a town full of ass kissers who are so afraid of burning bridges, I admire that. I honestly really admire Matt and Ben for pressuring certain people in the media not to be irresponsible. It is not like they were saying don't cover the story. They just told them if you are going to call him guilty, then we aren't going to interact with you anymore. It was beautiful. If it was women doing this sort of thing, people would applaud it. I have no idea why you are bringing Brie into this. The powerful people were on the side of her attacking Casey, not the other way around. I don't think merely questioning him about it is the same as calling him guilty. I also disagree with your claim that people would applaud women doing that. If anything, I think women would get ripped apart even more for supporting someone who is an alleged sexual harasser by way of threats and demands. What do you mean you have no idea why I'm bringing Brie into this? The thread is about her and Casey at the Oscars. Matt and Ben are powerful people. What I'm saying is Hollywood is filled with phonies who are terrified of making ANY move that could rub someone with clout the wrong way. The fact that Brie is now acknowledging that her demeanor at the Oscars meant something when she could have pretended it was nothing shows me that she is not one of them.
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Post by spiralstatic on Mar 12, 2017 17:31:05 GMT
There was a clause in whatever settlement that was made whereby neither party can discuss details of the case (I assume this is true as surely we'd have heard again from the ladies in question otherwise with all the recent press. And also of course it's true: one massive potential reason to settle a case for a famous person is to limit press around it as you can then stipulate terms so that it is not discussed further in public.)
This doesn't take away from your discussion because of course people can still intimidate interviewers to not mention the case (and even without intimidation, interviewers may choose to leave the topic alone, for fear of how it may impact their access to Ben/Matt etc.) and it has no relevance to Brie. But no-one was ever going to get any satisfactory answers from Casey, even if they had questioned him, because he can't talk about it. I would suggest that that is certainly going to play in to whether interviewers feel they want to ask Casey about it. They know already he cannot give any satisfactory answer. So do you really require additional intimidation to prevent you asking a question you already know there is no way you can get any worthwhile response to? If he could discuss it, surely if not him then at least someone on his side of things would have come out with some kind of counter article to the countless press around the situation?
And if Ben and Matt really were using scare tactics to prevent anyone doing anything that might upset Casey's Oscar chances, they didn't do too great a job at that, since a lot of press was out there and by the time the awards came around, it was far from a sure thing Casey would win.
Regarding Brie, if people are supportive of her basically saying she didn't applaud Casey as she doesn't approve of his winning awards, how do you feel about her agreeing to present these awards, hugging, smiling and congratulating him? I understand, she is in as difficult a position as she could be if she feels strongly about the issue as she won Best Actress so is the person to present the awards. But I can't understand how Brie's actions and words express anything other than at best confused principles...?
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Post by iheartamyadams on Mar 12, 2017 17:40:18 GMT
She also said in a separate interview that she's glad it was televised because she has no memory of giving him the award lol. I don't really see how she could realistically have no memory of presenting him with the Oscar unless she was drunk or on drugs. I get her point but it's a stupid childish thing to say. I took it as her attempting to be shady. Otherwise, it makes no sense as you said, especially seeing as how she talked about her own experience with winning an Oscar the year before. But really, I find her whole stance on this and her actions full of mixed messages. She won't even acknowledge giving him the award and says not clapping was intentional, yet she initiated a hug and smiled to his face lol. I honestly feel like her Golden Globes reaction was not intentional at all, she's just been very low beat all award season. I think Twitter and the Internet in general ran with nothing (as usual) and put her in a weird position where she felt compelled to do something that she most likely wouldn't have done otherwise. I of course have no way of proving that, but it's just my theory and two cents. I personally think the best stance to take would have been to not present the award if she genuinely felt that strongly about the possibility of giving it to him. She strikes me as being put in an awkward position and being fearful of rocking the boat. Even in this interview she's very vague (what I may or may not have done) and then goes on to say she's talked about it enough when in reality she hasnt said anything.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Mar 12, 2017 18:05:03 GMT
I don't really see how she could realistically have no memory of presenting him with the Oscar unless she was drunk or on drugs. I get her point but it's a stupid childish thing to say. Pretty sure she said she can't remember the time SHE won the Oscar mainly because how surreal it was for her. I haven't seen any televised interview of hers where she's uttered a single word on Affleck. I think people are thinking too much about it. But yeah, she clearly is not high on him. lol No, she was clearly talking about giving him the award if you watch the interview. A very awkward thing to say given that she'd just talked winning her own Oscar moments before.
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Post by spiralstatic on Mar 12, 2017 19:45:58 GMT
I don't really see how she could realistically have no memory of presenting him with the Oscar unless she was drunk or on drugs. I get her point but it's a stupid childish thing to say. I took it as her attempting to be shady. Otherwise, it makes no sense as you said, especially seeing as how she talked about her own experience with winning an Oscar the year before. But really, I find her whole stance on this and her actions full of mixed messages. She won't even acknowledge giving him the award and says not clapping was intentional, yet she initiated a hug and smiled to his face lol. I honestly feel like her Golden Globes reaction was not intentional at all, she's just been very low beat all award season. I think Twitter and the Internet in general ran with nothing (as usual) and put her in a weird position where she felt compelled to do something that she most likely wouldn't have done otherwise. I of course have no way of proving that, but it's just my theory and two cents. I personally think the best stance to take would have been to not present the award if she genuinely felt that strongly about the possibility of giving it to him. She strikes me as being put in an awkward position and being fearful of rocking the boat. Even in this interview she's very vague (what I may or may not have done) and then goes on to say she's talked about it enough when in reality she hasnt said anything. I agree with all of your post. I'm not sure how much of an awkward position Brie has been put in though. If she did (as she has said she did) intend her actions as they have been perceived in the first place, she hasn't been put in an awkward position at all: people have just seen and understood exactly what she wanted to express. She's achieved her aim completely without having to actually say anything. In this case though, I think as you say she should have refused to present these awards. Her stance would be stronger and if that's her point of view that's fair enough and someone else could have presented. She didn't seem to clearly express negativity towards Affleck in her presenting to me though. And if she didn't originally intend to convey any such negativity towards Affleck, she could feel awkward about it now. Like she has to suggest she did intend such as people have supported her so much for it. She also might have been advised that she's getting a great deal of positivity for these perceived reactions. So she might just want to give the impression that everyone is right in their thinking (thus keep everyone on her side) while at the same time not saying too much (thus upsetting the other side - she has likely been advised to not say anything specifically about Affleck too.) Any of this would be understandable. I think Brie has now made it clear she is not a fan of Affleck in any case. Otherwise she could easily have denied any intent on Oscars night. Now others have assumed it, she's quite happy for people to think it was always her intention. More than happy in fact: she's directly implied it is true.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 13, 2017 0:33:24 GMT
She decided not to clap for someone who has sexually harassed women. What a shock.
EDIT: it's fun to see RD back to his same shenanigans
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Post by Real Duality on Mar 13, 2017 0:35:43 GMT
I honestly really admire Matt and Ben for pressuring certain people in the media not to be irresponsible. It is not like they were saying don't cover the story. They just told them if you are going to call him guilty, then we aren't going to interact with you anymore. It was beautiful. If it was women doing this sort of thing, people would applaud it. I have no idea why you are bringing Brie into this. The powerful people were on the side of her attacking Casey, not the other way around. I don't think merely questioning him about it is the same as calling him guilty. I also disagree with your claim that people would applaud women doing that. If anything, I think women would get ripped apart even more for supporting someone who is an alleged sexual harasser by way of threats and demands. What do you mean you have no idea why I'm bringing Brie into this? The thread is about her and Casey at the Oscars. Matt and Ben are powerful people. What I'm saying is Hollywood is filled with phonies who are terrified of making ANY move that could rub someone with clout the wrong way. The fact that Brie is now acknowledging that her demeanor at the Oscars meant something when she could have pretended it was nothing shows me that she is not one of them. Spiral explained how questioning him was just about making him look guilty. If someone compares my childhood friend or brother to a rapist and then asked to professionally interact with me, I would respond with 'you must be insane.' I think women would see it differently if this were a group of women. Lastly, with this culture of "all accused are guilty," of course the pressure was on Brie to do something. And, Spiral explained how her conflicting behavior proves it wasn't a matter of principle.
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Post by Real Duality on Mar 13, 2017 0:40:52 GMT
EDIT: it's fun to see RD back to his same shenanigans I'm worried I am going to upset Drish, though. She is so nice. I do like Brie as an actress. I just disagree with her here.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Mar 13, 2017 0:49:15 GMT
She decided not to clap for someone who has sexually harassed women. What a shock. EDIT: it's fun to see RD back to his same shenanigans ^ Phhft, TommyBitch is back! So, any EVIDENCE of his guilt, you pathetic braindead SJW kryptozombie? And no, settlement does NOT equal guilt to evolved humans who believe in COMMON SENSE, "innocent till proven guilty" and that it's slanderous to assume guilt with ZERO evidence to present. Your always assuming guilt SJW/PC retardation would be pathetic if it wasn't so disgusting! I'd love to see a.braindead loser like you write a high profile blog where you assume everyone is guilty, only so when one of the MANY cases where the witchhunted celebs INNOCENCE is revealed, you'll get your dumbass SUED INTO BANKRUPTCY! #KarmaBitch
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Post by Real Duality on Mar 13, 2017 1:15:37 GMT
I'm worried I am going to upset Drish, though. She is so nice. I do like Brie as an actress. I just disagree with her here. ^ You know I'm often NOT on your side, though I DEFINITELY am here & in most cases of SJW-led baseless witchhunts, but WTF the "kid gloves" response to TommyHo's dumbass snide attack at you? You usually give back better than that when someone insults you like that. Am I really suppose to be bothered by him?
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Mar 13, 2017 2:51:51 GMT
^ You know I'm often NOT on your side, though I DEFINITELY am here & in most cases of SJW-led baseless witchhunts, but WTF the "kid gloves" response to TommyHo's dumbass snide attack at you? You usually give back better than that when someone insults you like that. Am I really suppose to be bothered by him? He's the stupidest person on this site
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 13, 2017 3:54:13 GMT
She decided not to clap for someone who has sexually harassed women. What a shock. EDIT: it's fun to see RD back to his same shenanigans ^ Phhft, it's also fun to see my dickless prison bitch Tommen is back! So, any EVIDENCE of his guilt, you pathetic braindead SJW kryptozombie ho?? And no, prag, settlement does NOT equal guilt to evolved humans who believe in COMMON SENSE, "innocent till proven guilty" and that it's slanderous to assume guilt with ZERO evidence to present. Your always assuming guilt SJW/PC retardation would be pathetic if it wasn't so disgusting! I'd love to see a.braindead loser like you write a high profile blog where you assume everyone is guilty, only so when one of the MANY cases where the witchhunted celebs INNOCENCE is revealed, you'll get your dumbass SUED INTO BANKRUPTCY! Then back to crashing in your junkie bf's Crack House, where there's REAL sexual harassment. #KarmaBitch It's interesting that you only have 7 posts and almost all of them are about me. Why the obsession? Sorry to disappoint but I don't even know who you are. Your seat-sniffing is amusing though. Please continue to degrade yourself. EDIT: And I never attacked RD. Despite the ludicrousness of many of his ideas, he expresses them far more intelligently than you, who's posts read like they were pieced together after perusing 4chan.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 13, 2017 6:39:53 GMT
I don't think merely questioning him about it is the same as calling him guilty. I also disagree with your claim that people would applaud women doing that. If anything, I think women would get ripped apart even more for supporting someone who is an alleged sexual harasser by way of threats and demands. What do you mean you have no idea why I'm bringing Brie into this? The thread is about her and Casey at the Oscars. Matt and Ben are powerful people. What I'm saying is Hollywood is filled with phonies who are terrified of making ANY move that could rub someone with clout the wrong way. The fact that Brie is now acknowledging that her demeanor at the Oscars meant something when she could have pretended it was nothing shows me that she is not one of them. Spiral explained how questioning him was just about making him look guilty. If someone compares my childhood friend or brother to a rapist and then asked to professionally interact with me, I would respond with 'you must be insane.' I think women would see it differently if this were a group of women. Lastly, with this culture of "all accused are guilty," of course the pressure was on Brie to do something. And, Spiral explained how her conflicting behavior proves it wasn't a matter of principle. First, I have no problem with Casey Affleck saying, "I am not discussing this matter right now." It's his right not to comment! I also am not of the mindset that being accused makes someone guilty. The only part about this whole situation that bugs me a bit is that he had to rely on his much more famous older brother and friend using their power to save him and scare people just so that he can get that Oscar. He's very lucky to have the connections he has is what I'll say about that. Others embroiled in scandal today wouldn't have that luxury. Now I realize that might not bother many people, and that's fine, but situations like that annoy me in the same sense a kid at school who is accused of fighting doesn't get the same treatment as other kids for it because his father is wealthy and donates to the school. When it comes to Brie Larson, you have to separate the media/social media pressure from Hollywood politics. For instance, social media would be adamantly against supporting Roman Polanski. But in Hollywood we saw how many major players signing that petition to support him? Yet for the longest it wasn't okay to support Mel Gibson. Realize I'm not comparing what Affleck is accused of doing to what Polanski did. I'm making a distinction between the way the public reacts to scandal, and the uneven way Hollywood treats it (which is based on connections, what group you offended, etc). I realize the SJWs on social media would be on Brie Larson's side. I'm not talking about them. I was talking about Hollywood power players like Matt and Ben who could very well be tied to prestigious projects in the future that most actresses would want to be considered for. If Ben Affleck is prepping for one of his films and is given a list of actresses to potentially cast, he may not exactly warm up at the sight of Brie's name remembering the way she handled the situation with his brother. That's what I mean by Brie's acknowledgment being courageous in terms of Hollywood politics, not necessarily for the press or the social media crowd. I'm sure they love it.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 13, 2017 7:07:01 GMT
There was a clause in whatever settlement that was made whereby neither party can discuss details of the case (I assume this is true as surely we'd have heard again from the ladies in question otherwise with all the recent press. And also of course it's true: one massive potential reason to settle a case for a famous person is to limit press around it as you can then stipulate terms so that it is not discussed further in public.) This doesn't take away from your discussion because of course people can still intimidate interviewers to not mention the case (and even without intimidation, interviewers may choose to leave the topic alone, for fear of how it may impact their access to Ben/Matt etc.) and it has no relevance to Brie. But no-one was ever going to get any satisfactory answers from Casey, even if they had questioned him, because he can't talk about it. I would suggest that that is certainly going to play in to whether interviewers feel they want to ask Casey about it. They know already he cannot give any satisfactory answer. So do you really require additional intimidation to prevent you asking a question you already know there is no way you can get any worthwhile response to? If he could discuss it, surely if not him then at least someone on his side of things would have come out with some kind of counter article to the countless press around the situation? And if Ben and Matt really were using scare tactics to prevent anyone doing anything that might upset Casey's Oscar chances, they didn't do too great a job at that, since a lot of press was out there and by the time the awards came around, it was far from a sure thing Casey would win. Regarding Brie, if people are supportive of her basically saying she didn't applaud Casey as she doesn't approve of his winning awards, how do you feel about her agreeing to present these awards, hugging, smiling and congratulating him? I understand, she is in as difficult a position as she could be if she feels strongly about the issue as she won Best Actress so is the person to present the awards. But I can't understand how Brie's actions and words express anything other than at best confused principles...? I explained this to RealDuality above, but just to be clear, I have no problem with Casey Affleck not discussing the case. I don't have a problem with anyone having no comment for the press. I have no opinion on Casey Affleck's guilt or innocence. Whether or not Brie believes he is guilty is her business. My feelings on Brie at the Oscars have to do with the way she handled the situation. I think she found the perfect balance of being gracious enough to participate and follow tradition by handing off the award while keeping a certain distance. Had she made a show of refusing to hand it over, that might have been too much (and if you ask me, it would have been a bit unfair). But after the event, she clearly is not pretending that her distance meant nothing, and I like that honesty.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Mar 13, 2017 8:41:38 GMT
More power to her ! ---- ^ She's a moronic SJW bimbo & so are you! And her chances of ever getting a 2nd nomination are only slightly higher than your feminazi self getting a 1st one. Superhero junk & adventure nonsense are all that's left for little miss SJW darling looooser!
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Post by Real Duality on Mar 13, 2017 15:49:38 GMT
Spiral explained how questioning him was just about making him look guilty. If someone compares my childhood friend or brother to a rapist and then asked to professionally interact with me, I would respond with 'you must be insane.' I think women would see it differently if this were a group of women. Lastly, with this culture of "all accused are guilty," of course the pressure was on Brie to do something. And, Spiral explained how her conflicting behavior proves it wasn't a matter of principle. First, I have no problem with Casey Affleck saying, "I am not discussing this matter right now." It's his right not to comment! I also am not of the mindset that being accused makes someone guilty. The only part about this whole situation that bugs me a bit is that he had to rely on his much more famous older brother and friend using their power to save him and scare people just so that he can get that Oscar. He's very lucky to have the connections he has is what I'll say about that. Others embroiled in scandal today wouldn't have that luxury. Now I realize that might not bother many people, and that's fine, but situations like that annoy me in the same sense a kid at school who is accused of fighting doesn't get the same treatment as other kids for it because his father is wealthy and donates to the school. When it comes to Brie Larson, you have to separate the media/social media pressure from Hollywood politics. For instance, social media would be adamantly against supporting Roman Polanski. But in Hollywood we saw how many major players signing that petition to support him? Yet for the longest it wasn't okay to support Mel Gibson. Realize I'm not comparing what Affleck is accused of doing to what Polanski did. I'm making a distinction between the way the public reacts to scandal, and the uneven way Hollywood treats it (which is based on connections, what group you offended, etc). I realize the SJWs on social media would be on Brie Larson's side. I'm not talking about them. I was talking about Hollywood power players like Matt and Ben who could very well be tied to prestigious projects in the future that most actresses would want to be considered for. If Ben Affleck is prepping for one of his films and is given a list of actresses to potentially cast, he may not exactly warm up at the sight of Brie's name remembering the way she handled the situation with his brother. That's what I mean by Brie's acknowledgment being courageous in terms of Hollywood politics, not necessarily for the press or the social media crowd. I'm sure they love it. I cannot understand the rational in the first paragraph. Because the media is able to abuse some people, they should be able to abuse all? It doesn't make any sense to me how you can turn something good into bad using this logic. The thing with Brie is the media was against Casey Affleck. The media is a much bigger player in Hollywood than a handful of actors. She, and most of the other actors at the Academy, were acting based on their self interests, not based on their "care" for victims.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 13, 2017 20:15:08 GMT
First, I have no problem with Casey Affleck saying, "I am not discussing this matter right now." It's his right not to comment! I also am not of the mindset that being accused makes someone guilty. The only part about this whole situation that bugs me a bit is that he had to rely on his much more famous older brother and friend using their power to save him and scare people just so that he can get that Oscar. He's very lucky to have the connections he has is what I'll say about that. Others embroiled in scandal today wouldn't have that luxury. Now I realize that might not bother many people, and that's fine, but situations like that annoy me in the same sense a kid at school who is accused of fighting doesn't get the same treatment as other kids for it because his father is wealthy and donates to the school. When it comes to Brie Larson, you have to separate the media/social media pressure from Hollywood politics. For instance, social media would be adamantly against supporting Roman Polanski. But in Hollywood we saw how many major players signing that petition to support him? Yet for the longest it wasn't okay to support Mel Gibson. Realize I'm not comparing what Affleck is accused of doing to what Polanski did. I'm making a distinction between the way the public reacts to scandal, and the uneven way Hollywood treats it (which is based on connections, what group you offended, etc). I realize the SJWs on social media would be on Brie Larson's side. I'm not talking about them. I was talking about Hollywood power players like Matt and Ben who could very well be tied to prestigious projects in the future that most actresses would want to be considered for. If Ben Affleck is prepping for one of his films and is given a list of actresses to potentially cast, he may not exactly warm up at the sight of Brie's name remembering the way she handled the situation with his brother. That's what I mean by Brie's acknowledgment being courageous in terms of Hollywood politics, not necessarily for the press or the social media crowd. I'm sure they love it. I cannot understand the rational in the first paragraph. Because the media is able to abuse some people, they should be able to abuse all? It doesn't make any sense to me how you can turn something good into bad using this logic. The thing with Brie is the media was against Casey Affleck. The media is a much bigger player in Hollywood than a handful of actors. She, and most of the other actors at the Academy, were acting based on their self interests, not based on their "care" for victims. Well then I don't know what else to tell you. I feel I explained my position well. You call it abuse when a simple "I can not discuss that" would have sufficed instead of all the behind-the-scenes threats and games his big brother and Damon were allegedly playing. If anything, you could argue what they were doing was abuse. Abuse of power. I don't know why you haven't acknowledged that there is truth in what I said at the end of my second paragraph. You're focused on the media and minimizing Ben and Matt's status (btw the same media that Ben and Matt apparently had enough power to control to help get Casey an Oscar) . There is an entire system of networking and politicking in Hollywood that has nothing to do with what some indignant blogger has to say online. You don't think that now Brie Larson's name might give Ben Affleck hesitation if it were on a list of actresses to cast for his films? I also don't know who you're talking about when you say "and most of the other actors at the Academy." Can you give me some names because maybe I missed something. You're saying most of the actors who are members of the Academy were against Casey - the man they gave an Oscar to?
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Post by spiralstatic on Mar 13, 2017 21:04:49 GMT
I think she found the perfect balance of being gracious enough to participate and follow tradition by handing off the award while keeping a certain distance. Had she made a show of refusing to hand it over, that might have been too much (and if you ask me, it would have been a bit unfair). But after the event, she clearly is not pretending that her distance meant nothing, and I like that honesty. The only part about this whole situation that bugs me a bit is that he had to rely on his much more famous older brother and friend using their power to save him and scare people just so that he can get that Oscar. He's very lucky to have the connections he has is what I'll say about that. Others embroiled in scandal today wouldn't have that luxury. Now I realize that might not bother many people, and that's fine, but situations like that annoy me in the same sense a kid at school who is accused of fighting doesn't get the same treatment as other kids for it because his father is wealthy and donates to the school. When it comes to Brie Larson, you have to separate the media/social media pressure from Hollywood politics. For instance, social media would be adamantly against supporting Roman Polanski. But in Hollywood we saw how many major players signing that petition to support him? Yet for the longest it wasn't okay to support Mel Gibson. Realize I'm not comparing what Affleck is accused of doing to what Polanski did. I'm making a distinction between the way the public reacts to scandal, and the uneven way Hollywood treats it (which is based on connections, what group you offended, etc). I realize the SJWs on social media would be on Brie Larson's side. I'm not talking about them. I was talking about Hollywood power players like Matt and Ben who could very well be tied to prestigious projects in the future that most actresses would want to be considered for. If Ben Affleck is prepping for one of his films and is given a list of actresses to potentially cast, he may not exactly warm up at the sight of Brie's name remembering the way she handled the situation with his brother. That's what I mean by Brie's acknowledgment being courageous in terms of Hollywood politics, not necessarily for the press or the social media crowd. I'm sure they love it. I've edited some bits of your postings together as I really struggle to delete bits of quotes without messing up the entire quote! Hope that's OK! I see your point and I certainly agree that Brie found the perfect balance for herself. She made her point of view clear without making herself look bad and without being rude. I think that if it really bothered her she should not have presented though which would have been a genuine stance against Affleck/Hollywood and she still would not have had to voice anything negative. And it then wouldn’t be a situation where every time Casey himself or anyone else thinks back on his Oscar they will now consider that Brie has said she intentionally did not applaud him and pretended the evening was somehow so traumatic she couldn’t even recall it… On the other hand, if Brie didn't feel that strongly about the situation, I don't understand why she would retrospectively imply that she did. I think it bothers me a tad, because the fact that she smiled, initiated hugging Casey and congratulated him is way more than you need to do if you feel strongly against someone, so I don’t get why she would have done those things if she really wanted to make an anti-Affleck stance. They are more than mere politeness. Which makes me wonder: did she actually not clap because she wanted to make a stand on Oscar night, or did she just happen to not applaud (like Leonardo DiCaprio didn’t applaud Emma Stone in the same situation) and it didn’t mean anything at the time. But on the other hand, I can’t imagine why she’d want to give a false impression now. How do you know Ben etc. did intimidate anyone? I’m pretty sure, where possible, Casey’s agent (or whoever) would have suggested/requested/demanded journalists not to ask questions but I can’t see anything further than that...? Of course, people who have power are already intimidating. The point is more here: Casey cannot discuss the case. So if anyone else is going to talk about it, what they’re doing is expressing their own opinion regarding a case wherein nothing has been proven and where no-one can answer back to counter whatever is said. Power out of the question, is that a right or good thing to do? I see how for someone like Brie to take a stance as she has is a stance against Hollywood, yes: but it also a specific stance in which she assumes Affleck individually is guilty and metes out her judgment. In my opinion, Brie Larson has a fair bit of power herself in articulating such a view. And it can certainly argued that that is a good thing. But I don't think Brie has done enough to damage much potential future work. She hasn't even ever mentioned Casey's name. I guess if she feels strongly about the issue she's probably done the ideal balance of maximum positivity for her career (being seen presenting Oscars etc. And being a role model - standing up against Hollywood and siding with both media/press, public and alleged victims) and not to much of a reaction against Hollywood/Affleck. I mean, I don't think Brie and Casey are ever going to filming a Romantic Comedy together, haha! But neither would surely want to, so! I see you mention Casey getting the Oscar, but I think actors and The Academy took the situation of awarding the work and there will be some actors who love Casey, some who don't judge such things they cannot know and some who have negative feelings, just like all other humans. Overall, Casey got a huge amount of applause. It sounded to me like the applause of an audience, happy he had won, impressed with his work and rooting for him. I don't think Ben and Matt did some sort of mastermind plot to intimidate everyone to get little Casey his Oscar. It looked like Casey might not win it near the end there. I don't mean might - the win was looking not that likely...! I think it is awkward the way other cases where there is definite guilt and were allegations were more serious are brought into the discussion. I know you say you aren’t comparing the cases, but in mentioning these men, it already is comparing: that is what comparing is. And it is one reason people wouldn't want the press to ask Casey questions: he cannot say anything of note/counter anything anyone may have to say as he cannot discuss the case (it isn't about wanting to - he legally cannot), yet any article that is written about it will have something to say and will likely also include references to some of these other men. I see the issue that power = privilege. But that is true to the extreme for the whole of Hollywood. And the only positive thing that can be said about it is that for those who make it to the very top positions of greatest power, it is then irrespective of gender or race or anything else. For Hollywood to have less power, we need to change the way we see actors and celebrity and the way films are made would have to alter dramatically. It is a thing that would never come from Hollywood, and why would it - they have power - why would they want less?! It would have to come from all of us public. And it never will because the public's first God is celebrity in the age we live in. If anything though, I’d say the case with Casey is worse in his situation. For a normal person, a case that was settled quietly and was never criminal in the first place, I’d have thought would be forgotten about a decade on…? And to end on a general note (not in reply to you but to the thread overall!): I think we are all able to play nice and make points without insulting each other personally. When you sink to that level, you've lost your argument already, even if you were in the right with your position, because petty insults only ever suggest an inability to argue a point as opposed to a person and it is clearly the case everyone here is able to articulate their points perfectly well. What’s better than discussion, after all. And on that "let's all have a group hug" kind of ending, I am sure I've given enough meat for a few insults my way, haha! Oh well!
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Post by Real Duality on Mar 13, 2017 23:34:40 GMT
I cannot understand the rational in the first paragraph. Because the media is able to abuse some people, they should be able to abuse all? It doesn't make any sense to me how you can turn something good into bad using this logic. The thing with Brie is the media was against Casey Affleck. The media is a much bigger player in Hollywood than a handful of actors. She, and most of the other actors at the Academy, were acting based on their self interests, not based on their "care" for victims. Well then I don't know what else to tell you. I feel I explained my position well. You call it abuse when a simple "I can not discuss that" would have sufficed instead of all the behind-the-scenes threats and games his big brother and Damon were allegedly playing. If anything, you could argue what they were doing was abuse. Abuse of power. I don't know why you haven't acknowledged that there is truth in what I said at the end of my second paragraph. You're focused on the media and minimizing Ben and Matt's status (btw the same media that Ben and Matt apparently had enough power to control to help get Casey an Oscar) . There is an entire system of networking and politicking in Hollywood that has nothing to do with what some indignant blogger has to say online. You don't think that now Brie Larson's name might give Ben Affleck hesitation if it were on a list of actresses to cast for his films? I also don't know who you're talking about when you say "and most of the other actors at the Academy." Can you give me some names because maybe I missed something. You're saying most of the actors who are members of the Academy were against Casey - the man they gave an Oscar to? I am not sure how it is abuse of power. All they were saying is don't be unprofessional. How are they the ones being abusive, and not the media? Again, I look at this from a personal perspective. If someone were comparing my childhood friend to a rapist based on such little evidence, I would issue a professional "threat," and definitely consider that both the moral and professional thing to do. Other actors at the Oscars performed in similar ways to Brie, including the others nominated in his category and the others who won. They weren't saying anything per se, but they weren't subtle about it at all. Sure, there is truth in what you said in that second paragraph. I just personally believe there was significantly more pressure for these actors to demonstrate their disdain for Casey, and I think the nearly total reaction against him shows that. Leonardo DiCaprio is the only one I can think of who was decent to him.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 14, 2017 2:58:38 GMT
Well then I don't know what else to tell you. I feel I explained my position well. You call it abuse when a simple "I can not discuss that" would have sufficed instead of all the behind-the-scenes threats and games his big brother and Damon were allegedly playing. If anything, you could argue what they were doing was abuse. Abuse of power. I don't know why you haven't acknowledged that there is truth in what I said at the end of my second paragraph. You're focused on the media and minimizing Ben and Matt's status (btw the same media that Ben and Matt apparently had enough power to control to help get Casey an Oscar) . There is an entire system of networking and politicking in Hollywood that has nothing to do with what some indignant blogger has to say online. You don't think that now Brie Larson's name might give Ben Affleck hesitation if it were on a list of actresses to cast for his films? I also don't know who you're talking about when you say "and most of the other actors at the Academy." Can you give me some names because maybe I missed something. You're saying most of the actors who are members of the Academy were against Casey - the man they gave an Oscar to? I am not sure how it is abuse of power. All they were saying is don't be unprofessional. How are they the ones being abusive, and not the media? Again, I look at this from a personal perspective. If someone were comparing my childhood friend to a rapist based on such little evidence, I would issue a professional "threat," and definitely consider that both the moral and professional thing to do. Other actors at the Oscars performed in similar ways to Brie, including the others nominated in his category and the others who won. They weren't saying anything per se, but they weren't subtle about it at all. Sure, there is truth in what you said in that second paragraph. I just personally believe there was significantly more pressure for these actors to demonstrate their disdain for Casey, and I think the nearly total reaction against him shows that. Leonardo DiCaprio is the only one I can think of who was decent to him. If someone is receiving special treatment because their older brother is using his status to frighten people away from covering a story they normally would the way they normally would, I would call it an abuse of power in a sense. You saying they were just asking people to be professional is a nice, mild way of putting it. lol. Now I don't have a problem with you agreeing with him doing that for his brother, and on some level it is understandable, that's his brother, but let's still call it what it is. Not to go off on a tangent here, but Ben Affleck strikes me as overly controlling when it comes to image, so it doesn't surprise me. The same way you see Brie as insincere, I see him as one of those limousine liberals who likes to get all self-righteous on an issue when it gives him a good look. When he appeared on a special about his heritage, he made all these demands to cover up the fact that there were people in his background who owned slaves. Then when that got out, he wrote a letter because he realized the cover up made him look bad. So perhaps this is a pattern with him. I didn't watch the entire Oscar ceremony, so it's not my place to contest what you say about the actors who were there. Were they not enthusiastic enough to your liking? If what you say is true, I can of course see actors not wanting to be seen on television giving overwhelming praise to someone who was accused of misconduct by more than one woman. You would be right to say that they are worried about their image too. Not disagreeing there. But I still stand by my point that Brie coming out and making it clear that she wasn't fucking with Casey that night rather than pretending it meant nothing does her no favors as far as future Matt and Ben productions are concerned. I'm sure she doesn't care though.
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Post by jimmalone on Mar 14, 2017 15:38:02 GMT
It's her good right to act and speak as she thinks in this case.
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Post by spiralstatic on Mar 14, 2017 17:03:00 GMT
Lest we forget in this thread that Brie herself hasn't actually said anything on this topic. They are Brie's words. As in, she has said nothing at all! Brie herself could mean by this "I hate Casey Affleck's guts. Why did I have to present him with all these awards? It was torture. I protested in the only way Hollywood allowed." Or she could mean "Watch the show: I smiled, hugged and congratulated him. That's what I think and if you forced me to say it, that's what I'd tell you. But why should I have to tell you what I think about Casey Affleck. I am happy for you to think whatever you want to. In fact as long as my career is doing well enough, why would I care what you think I think of anyone?" Variety (and other media outlets) have put out the article as if Brie is full of protest. And she probably is. But much of the media has that agenda so they can give that impression whatever. We haven't heard Brie say a word of her actual opinion, really. If she was at all happy for Casey she would surely have made a comment to the effect as she must know what has been written about the situation, but if she were indifferent, she might prefer to let us think as we please - she's getting great media coverage and support for what folks have perceived. Other actors at the Oscars performed in similar ways to Brie, including the others nominated in his category and the others who won. They weren't saying anything per se, but they weren't subtle about it at all. I agree that we live in a world where public opinion matters. A situation such as Casey's for better or worse would not have been so big news not so many years ago. In fact it is crazy the power the public potentially has. Nationwide riots have begun through twitter. And yet no country can seem to use this power to help form government to make their country or the world a better place to live in somehow. Says something about the flaws in humans, I imagine... Anyway, I digress. The media is predominatly Anti-Affleck, and the people in the room must almost all know that, whether or not it influences anyone. Did many people express anything against Affleck really though? If so, who? I haven't compared the reaction to Casey's win to anyone other than Emma Stone and that was only as I read an article which mentioned how Leo hadn't applauded Emma. But Casey got a lot more applause and cheers than Emma did. Is that an audience who is generally against him/cares what the media say? I mean, a large proportion of people in that room must have had some negative experiences with media. And of course, The Academy supported Casey enough that he got the Oscar. As for reporting of the event, there have been stupid things written. Screenshots of Ryan (can you imagine him being mean to anyone?) Gosling suggesting he was unhappy over Casey winning where they use a screenshot of Ryan's reaction to his own nomination clip. Analysis of every female audience member - taking freeze framed snapshots as proof of vitriol. Well, I can't say I have looked at the audience in general to see how anyone reacted, but I am sure not all of the things people have inferred are remotely related to what those in the audience actually thought and felt of Affleck/his win. As for Denzel Washington, people said he was angry Casey mentioned him in his speech. I actually think with Denzel we got a fascinating insight into what it is to be nominated for an Oscar. The etiquette for nominees is to put on a face and you need only rewatch the reactions of all the other nominees to see them all do their best "Who, me?! haha! As if! Little old me! Look at that idiot up there on the screen, LOL!" face as their nomination clips are played. Not Denzel. His face was set, eyes down before even his nomination clip was played. He couldn't dampen down his emotion to do the "nominee face" when his clip was played. He couldn't even make himself look at the camera. He wanted that Oscar and he wanted it bad. How much for himself and how much through hatred of Casey (if he hates Casey, his wife did not appear to) who knows, but whatever the reason - Denzel didn't bother to do any of the actings. He let his all of his emotions and his pure desire for that gold statuette emanate from his pores. He wanted it, and when he didn't get it, boy was he disappointed. Other than Denzel though, which if it is related to Casey, apparently Denzel was able to have a conversation with the guy fine enough earlier on that day, but cannot cover up what an abomination he thinks Affleck is in front of cameras... I'm not sure I agree about the audience or nominees overall. Media and twitter have suggested the entire audience were anti-Affleck but that's not what I saw or felt. I felt most of them seemed very happy about his win. Anyway, I guess I understand Brie's reticence over the issue now. She has literally not uttered a word about it that we have actually heard, yet all these opinions and all this analysis, hahaha! And SO many articles! Imagine if she gave an actual comment!
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