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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 10, 2017 21:53:00 GMT
About to watch the extended cut, figured I may as well have a poll open while I'm out since this one's fairly divisive.
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Post by fredrikwiener on Mar 11, 2017 20:31:51 GMT
Love it. Very underrated.
Haven't seen the extended version, and I'm not sure if I will. As much as I liked it, my main complaint was that there were parts that just dragged the movie down, so I just feel the released version is enough for me.
IMO, Paquin delivered one of the greatest female leading performances of all time. Smith-Cameron and Berlin were both very solid also.
And it held up well on a recent rewatch. Overall 8/10
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 21:22:18 GMT
Love it.
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Post by cheesecake on Mar 12, 2017 15:04:52 GMT
In my bottom ten of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 22:55:54 GMT
Apparently this is a true "love it or hate it" movie. I'm now even more interested in seeing it.
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on Mar 16, 2017 0:19:45 GMT
Ripe tripe.
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Post by no on Mar 16, 2017 4:06:36 GMT
I saw Manchester by the Sea today and thought it was pretty safe and conventional, what on earth could this movie do to be so polarizing?
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 16, 2017 4:18:26 GMT
i seriously have no idea why a genuinely pretty solid drama is so divisive. i was shocked when i saw its rating on imdb was like a 6.6 or something - because plenty of things that have lower ratings that i love tend to make sense as to why they inspire such hate, but i just don't understand how people get so fed up with THIS movie in particular. it'd be like if, all of the sudden, idk Midnight in Paris was this huge love it or hate it type deal.
i really like it a lot - not quite as much as some people on here, but it is unfathomable that it picks up so much hate to me when it's so ambitious.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 16, 2017 5:04:51 GMT
i seriously have no idea why a genuinely pretty solid drama is so divisive. i was shocked when i saw its rating on imdb was like a 6.6 or something - because plenty of things that have lower ratings that i love tend to make sense as to why they inspire such hate, but i just don't understand how people get so fed up with THIS movie in particular. it'd be like if, all of the sudden, idk Midnight in Paris was this huge love it or hate it type deal. i really like it a lot - not quite as much as some people on here, but it is unfathomable that it picks up so much hate to me when it's so ambitious. Speaking as someone who was pretty meh on it (although I'm also meh on Midnight in Paris so maybe I'm an outlier to your theories), I can see the "hate it" camp largely being due to how downright miserable some of these characters can be. You have the I'm-feeling-everything-at-once main teen who could be easy to hate given she's a wealthy, privileged New Yorker constantly bitching about how the world has problems that still come around to being about her, then you've got the supporting characters whose lives she makes hell for much of the film: the actress mom who's also self-centered albeit to a lesser degree, the friend of the dead woman who might be the most likable character in the film although she has her moments of annoyance (like not letting the lawyer talk because she somehow doesn't understand the most rudimentary legal concepts), her best friends that she keeps playing hot-and-cold with, the father who could pretty much be absent from the film if it weren't for it being Lonergan playing him, the bus driver that she let off the hook until she had an attack of conscience, the too-cool-for-school loser she lost her virginity to that annoyed me every moment he was on screen, the Syrian classmate that she constantly berates because she can't stand a differing opinion, Matthew Broderick just being there (though the scene about King Lear might be my favorite one), and Matt Damon playing the most passive human being on the entire planet. Unlikable characters are fine, but it can be an issue if the characters aren't interesting and when the only one given much depth is also the loudest, whiniest bitch of them all, I can see how that can be an issue. Then you've got the long runtime including multiple scenes that, while I could probably find a way to defend their inclusion if necessary, could easily be considered needless and a lot of more interesting themes going on in the background as we're mainly focusing on this one teen being told over and over again how she's not the center of the universe which is not new and depending on your individual taste not all that compelling. To be clear, what I said above is not my own full thoughts on the film (I found enough things interesting about it to not hate it) but more my idea on where the hate can come from by exaggerating my own criticisms of the film.
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 16, 2017 5:21:19 GMT
i seriously have no idea why a genuinely pretty solid drama is so divisive. i was shocked when i saw its rating on imdb was like a 6.6 or something - because plenty of things that have lower ratings that i love tend to make sense as to why they inspire such hate, but i just don't understand how people get so fed up with THIS movie in particular. it'd be like if, all of the sudden, idk Midnight in Paris was this huge love it or hate it type deal. i really like it a lot - not quite as much as some people on here, but it is unfathomable that it picks up so much hate to me when it's so ambitious. Speaking as someone who was pretty meh on it (although I'm also meh on Midnight in Paris so maybe I'm an outlier to your theories), I can see the "hate it" camp largely being due to how downright miserable some of these characters can be. You have the I'm-feeling-everything-at-once main teen who could be easy to hate given she's a wealthy, privileged New Yorker constantly bitching about how the world has problems that still come around to being about her, then you've got the supporting characters whose lives she makes hell for much of the film: the actress mom who's also self-centered albeit to a lesser degree, the friend of the dead woman who might be the most likable character in the film although she has her moments of annoyance (like not letting the lawyer talk because she somehow doesn't understand the most rudimentary legal concepts), her best friends that she keeps playing hot-and-cold with, the father who could pretty much be absent from the film if it weren't for it being Lonergan playing him, the bus driver that she let off the hook until she had an attack of conscience, the too-cool-for-school loser she lost her virginity to that annoyed me every moment he was on screen, the Syrian classmate that she constantly berates because she can't stand a differing opinion, Matthew Broderick just being there (though the scene about King Lear might be my favorite one), and Matt Damon playing the most passive human being on the entire planet. Unlikable characters are fine, but it can be an issue if the characters aren't interesting and when the only one given much depth is also the loudest, whiniest bitch of them all, I can see how that can be an issue. Then you've got the long runtime including multiple scenes that, while I could probably find a way to defend their inclusion if necessary, could easily be considered needless and a lot of more interesting themes going on in the background as we're mainly focusing on this one teen being told over and over again how she's not the center of the universe which is not new and depending on your individual taste not all that compelling. To be clear, what I said above is not my own full thoughts on the film (I found enough things interesting about it to not hate it) but more my idea on where the hate can come from by exaggerating my own criticisms of the film. while i do believe the characters are a big part of this, the characters in just about every gangster film ever made tend to be similarly shitty people but i can't think of one that's as divisive as this off the top of my head. i do think the pacing can be a fair complaint - but again, the pacing of anything more than a little over 2 hours is probably going to be at least somewhat divisive (an exception here and there of course). and as you say, the issue is not whether or not they are relateable but whether or not you can attach onto one, but i found paquin's character very much an excellent main character. i think a lot of it comes down to liking her or not, but even then i just can't fathom how one would truly despise her character if one went through high school in the past 10 years. but perhaps that is too objective a statement to make. much appreciate your thoughts always.
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 17, 2017 2:59:29 GMT
There are few films that I genuinely regret using my time to watch and this is one of them.
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