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Post by pacinoyes on May 14, 2022 22:07:24 GMT
"21>20" Well.......just remember you said that ok - pal, buddy, my friend.....um..... pobrecita....... .......because that aberration which took an act of government to even make happen in the first place is not gonna last..........it may not even last the next 60 days tbh. Everybody knows what's up ......even you
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Post by pacinoyes on May 15, 2022 15:49:43 GMT
Djoko in straight sets over Tsitsipas - needs to find his consistency if he wants to win the French tbh: 6-0, 7-6 .......off to the French Open now ..... (the amazing) Swiatek and Djoko win Rome. He sets 3 Gretzky-like records just today:
* Djokovic breaks his own all-time career ATP 1000 titles record - now with 38 career wins.
* Djokovic becomes the only guy to win 3 different ATP 1000 titles at least 6 times - which he has done across all surfaces (LMAO at you, One Court Wonder): 6 outdoor hard (Miami), 6 indoor hard (Paris Masters) and 6 clay (Rome).
* Djokovic continues to break his own Top 10 ATP wins record ............ which he's starting to really destroy now:
MOST CAREER TOP 10 WINS IN ATP RANKINGS HISTORY (since 1973):232: Novak Djokovic (232-106) 224: Roger Federer (224-123) 181: Rafael Nadal (181-100) 166: Ivan Lendl (166-92) 128: John McEnroe (128-94)
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Post by cherry68 on May 15, 2022 15:53:39 GMT
The first set was 30 minutes. Really not a contest. The second was way closer, but you see the difference between #1 and #5. The match Sinner / Tsitsipas was way more balanced even if it was #10 and #5.
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Post by cherry68 on May 15, 2022 16:16:48 GMT
I liked Djokovic 's Italian speech. He thanked his team saying that even if he's the one going to the court, there are people behind him. He had thankful words toward the organisation and Italian people, and he told his 7 yo son played his first tennis game today. He didn't know yet if he won though.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 15, 2022 18:10:31 GMT
I wanted to point out that we joke around on here, but sports are different from acting or movies - acting /movies are a craft or Art it doesn't matter if your favorite actor has the most Oscars or whatever - your favorite is yours whether it's Nicholson or Pauly Shore it doesn't matter whatever, it's all good......but in sports that "winning" thing really matters so much more because it's defined it's not interpretive in any way.......you can argue it, but ultimately the numbers won't lie too much. BUT if sports were an Art, Djoko would still be my individual athlete GOAT even without all the records which he'll have when he's done anyway........because he's the absolutely goofiest, dumbest, funniest, weird-ass, charming, AND charmless, most infuriating individual athlete I can ever think of (maybe Ali?)..........not just tennis.......he is just on a goofball wavelegth:
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Post by cherry68 on May 20, 2022 19:42:07 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on May 20, 2022 23:37:08 GMT
Let me see if I have this straight - if Djokovic wins the French (doubtful, but maybe) AND Wimbledon (likely) - he will lose his #1 ranking since they won't give him his defense of title Wimbledon points due to the ban on Russian players which was stupid to begin with? Yeah, ok, that makes sense .... ......of course by then he wouldn't care because after Wimbledon he's likely to be tied or (permanently) in the lead for Grand Slam wins anyway - and "ties" go to him anyway - he has the weeks at #1 record too by a lot already obviously .........and most of the other career metrics are his anyway. Djokovic: 370 weeks currently and counting Federer : 310 weeks Sampras: 286 weeks Lendl : 270 weeks Connors: 268 weeks Nadal : 209 weeksStatement from the ATP:
‘It is with great regret and reluctance that we see no option but to remove ATP Ranking points from Wimbledon for 2022.’
1:50 PM · May 20, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
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Post by pupdurcs on May 23, 2022 16:03:16 GMT
GOAT Nadal gets the cover of Sports Illustrated (rare for tennis players these days, especially non-American ones) . As well as this, Nadal gets a write up on Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential list from American Football GOAT Tom Brady praising him as one of the athletes who most inspire him and one of the greatest athletes of all time in any sport.
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Post by countjohn on May 31, 2022 18:57:53 GMT
Weaseled out of work so I could go home and watch this. Always feels so titanic and consequential when these guys play in a slam these days. Any match could be decisive.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 1, 2022 10:02:37 GMT
Nadal continues to dominate Djokovic/Federer at slam level, H2H.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 1, 2022 10:44:36 GMT
What a deceptive stat that ^ is btw - and also a misuse of "dominance at the Slam level" - he is dominant at the Clay level rather only. - Nadal is an incredible 8 wins-2 losses in the French vs Djokovic (and he's 6-0 vs Federer in the French)........but his dominance on Clay only however skews the total Grand Slams as a whole ......because he would perenially beat Djokovic and Federer at the French but trails Djoko across 75% of the other Slams combined and is only ahead in exactly half - in any way - at all. * If we remove the French he is still 13-9 which is great too ............but less great than Djoko across the other Slams - Djoko who is 16-9 across all 3 players across the other 3 Slam tournaments..........and 5-2 over Nadal.
Wimbledon: Djokovic over Nadal: 2-0 US Open : Nadal over Djokovic: 2-1 Australia: Djokovic over Nadal 2-0
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 1, 2022 12:49:37 GMT
What a deceptive stat that ^ is btw - and also a misuse of "dominance at the Slam level" - he is dominant at the Clay level rather only. - Nadal is an incredible 8 wins-2 losses in the French vs Djokovic (and he's 6-0 vs Federer in the French)........but his dominance on Clay only however skews the total Grand Slams as a whole ......because he would perenially beat Djokovic and Federer at the French but trails Djoko across 75% of the other Slams combined and is only ahead in exactly half - in any way - at all. * If we remove the French he is still 13-9 which is great too ............but less great than Djoko across the other Slams - Djoko who is 16-9 across all 3 players across the other 3 Slam tournaments..........and 5-2 over Nadal.
Wimbledon: Djokovic over Nadal: 2-0 US Open : Nadal over Djokovic: 2-1 Australia: Djokovic over Nadal 2-0Do you even watch tennis Your penchant for making things up and expecting nobody to notice is interesting. Their Wimbledon H2H is 2-1 to Djokovic, not 2-0. It's a rivalry as close as you can get. Each has winning records over the other at 2 of the 4 Slams. Also, this "if we remove the French" stuff is how losers talk . We're not removing the French because it's a Grand Slam and Rafa beats people there like clockwork. I could say that if there were 2 clays Slams instead of 2 hardcourt Slams, Djokovic probably wouldn't be anywhere close to Nadal in Slams count. They all have to play the hands they were given. Nadal overall dominates Djokovic (and Federer) in Slams. Playing "what if" to handicap Nadal is asinine. Djokovic’s failures at the US Open have been costly to his GOAT claim against Nadal. For the supposed "hardcourt GOAT" to have a losing H2H record at a hardcourt slam and less US Open titles than the God of Clay isn't the flex you think it is. They are both all-time greats, but this "lets not count clay" (unless Djokovic wins on it) stuff is silly. Nadal will extend his GOAT status by winning a 22nd Grand Slam on CLAY, and it will count just the same as a grass or hardcourt slam.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 1, 2022 13:18:20 GMT
"Their Wimbledon H2H is 2-1 to Djokovic, not 2-0."
Meh - just a typo but the point of the post still stands - outside of Clay, he does not dominate .......and isn't even the leader among the big 3 he is the leader on Clay .......a disproportionate amount of his achievements are from Clay ..........everyone knows this and this is still true despite your intelligent post (sarcasm).
Djoko who is 16-9 across all 3 players across the other 3 Slam tournaments..........
Corrected:
Wimbledon: Djokovic over Nadal: 2-1 US Open : Nadal over Djokovic: 2-1 Australia: Djokovic over Nadal 2-0
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 1, 2022 13:42:24 GMT
If you are going to have to rely on the old, "Nadal has won too much on Clay" chestnut to prop up Djokovic as GOAT, then you 've lost already. Nadal has won every grand slam at least twice (something not even Federer will ever achieve ). He is an undisputed all-time, all-surface great. The argument won't stick, unless you are a hardcore Djoker fan or live in Serbia .
You need to worry less about what Nadal wins and where and hope Djokovic wakes up and keeps winning slams before Nadal runs away with the grand slam title race and these youngsters like Alcaraz start denying both of them at slams.
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Post by ibbi on Jun 1, 2022 16:31:43 GMT
What a deceptive stat that ^ is btw - and also a misuse of "dominance at the Slam level" - he is dominant at the Clay level rather only. - Nadal is an incredible 8 wins-2 losses in the French vs Djokovic (and he's 6-0 vs Federer in the French)........but his dominance on Clay only however skews the total Grand Slams as a whole ......because he would perenially beat Djokovic and Federer at the French but trails Djoko across 75% of the other Slams combined and is only ahead in exactly half - in any way - at all. * If we remove the French he is still 13-9 which is great too ............but less great than Djoko across the other Slams - Djoko who is 16-9 across all 3 players across the other 3 Slam tournaments..........and 5-2 over Nadal.
Wimbledon: Djokovic over Nadal: 2-0 US Open : Nadal over Djokovic: 2-1 Australia: Djokovic over Nadal 2-0I think you're actually being kind here , Nadal is not 13-9 against them at the three non-clay majors, he is 7-9, of course to compare his record minus his favourite slam to Djokovic and Federer's records minus their least favourite slam has always been something people have done that I have never understood. If you remove Novak's favourite slam too then his record is 12-16, and then Nadal gets the edge in percentages. Also, the 8 non-clay meetings they've had is a decent enough number to compare to the 10 clay ones they have had, and 5-3 is still a lot closer than 8-2. Of course there are other arguments to be made - That Djokovic and Federer get to those clay matches more than Nadal gets to the non-clay ones is certainly to their credit, clay is a harder surface to cause an upset on given its nature, etc. Still, they're probably the two greatest hard court tennis players that ever lived, and he is 5-3 against them at the two hard court majors. Grass is his achilles heel, sure, but a 2-5 record against the two of them at Wimbledon doesn't look all that bad compared to their 3-14 record against him in Paris.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 1, 2022 18:21:34 GMT
Nadal has been to 6 Australian Open Finals, but only faced Djokovic twice at his pet slam. That says that Nadal gets to the final of hardcourt Slams as much as Federer and Djokovic get to French Open finals (if not more), but they weren't always there to face him. Those 6 finals for Nadal show that Djokovic isn't as dominant at his pet slam, as Nadal is at his. If Djokovic was more dominant in Australia, they'd have met more often there.
The fact that Federer and Nadal have never even met at the US Open is pretty odd. Nadal is a 4 time champion, but Federer's run of titles at the US Open was very concentrated in the 2000s before Nadal reached his hardcourt peak/prime in the 2010s, when Federer struggled to do much at the US Open again.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 3, 2022 13:06:49 GMT
Happy 36th Birthday to the GOAT, Rafael Nadal.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 3, 2022 14:21:05 GMT
A journalist asked Nadal the same question and he replied :
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 3, 2022 15:12:30 GMT
A journalist asked Nadal the same question and he replied : To be expected from Nadal. He's always been super-humble and is never going to call himself the GOAT. That's down to the rest of us to do it for him
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 3, 2022 16:48:47 GMT
A journalist asked Nadal the same question and he replied : Well....he's not wrong. Nadal will be up 22-20 in GS but that isn't significant to me atm and he can't say "I have the most GS, it's me!" where anyone takes that as meaning anything right now since they're all still active and at least 2 of the 3 are competitive..........(at one time he was up like 7-8 on Djokovic and he still got caught) - what will be interesting is to see if Nadal can win or go deep in Wimbledon or US Open - that would be something I certainly didn't expect........I still don't ...........but 2 / 4ths of a calendar Slam is a big thing that sometimes leads to other things....... As usual with GOAT things - you can argue the guy who wins the most GS - which will end up being Djoko imo (and he has most of the big tie-breakers - though not all - if they end up tied for GS)...........or who dominated in 1 tournament like Nadal at France and was close elsewhere (and his longevity tbh)........or who "at their best is the best" which to me was Federer for a stretch in the 00s....... People can always "argue" it though - which is why this thread is so long tbh
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 3, 2022 17:06:52 GMT
Nah....Nadal is completely destroying Djokovic’s GOAT case right now, at least as far as the wider world is concerned. Djokovic is the least liked all-time great arguably since Ivan Lendl. Djokovic needs the most important GOAT record (the Grand Slam record) to even be able to sniff a chance of forcing the general public to concede that he might be the GOAT. Having the most weeks at no.1 or most Masters Titles won't cut it. The media anointed him last year, but Nadal is single handedly destroying his narrative now.
If/when Nadal gets to #22, his case gets smaller, which is incredible when you consider everyone thought Djokovic had the GOAT case wrapped up last year. He'll need to win 3 more Slams just to move past Nadal, and that is a hard ask considering how older he's getting and how dangerous the younger players are becoming. If Nadal doesn't retire this year and gets #22 on Sunday, I feel like he'll get the Slam record. Djokovic will have to rely on his other records, which won't cut much muster other than with hardcore Djoker fans and Serbians. If somehow Djokovic gets stuck on #20 slams, I feel like a lot of people will still try to put Federer (who should be considered the 3rd best of the Big 3 now) ahead of him.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 3, 2022 17:30:23 GMT
The general public thinks Wimbledon not the French or Australia is "the" tournament if Djoko can win it this year - that's 7 ....to Nadals 2 that's quite a gap. That's why Wimbledon is so huge this year - if Nadal could win it (I say "Nah" - but it's possible) he'd have 3 wins - which is closer to Djoko's 6........it would be huge for him..........but a Djoko 7th win puts him essentially where we were last year or in January '22 where he's the GOAT just waiting to surpass Nadal.........of course Djokovic actually has to do it..... which is his whole problem atm.....but Wimbledon is only 3 weeks away........it's a marathon........not a sprint........or a popularity contest If everybody thought Djokovic was the GOAT last year - another French Open title for Nadal (14 of his 22 um) and a win in a GS (AO 22) that Djokovic was barred from competing in - in his best tournament - where he was seeded number 1 - isn't going to change "everybody's" mind from 2021........essentially it's just a reset. If he wins Wimbledon that is....if....if......
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 3, 2022 17:46:21 GMT
You're delusional. The " general public" (we are talking about the entire fucking world here, not the British press machine ) doesn't discern who has the most Wimbledon titles to confer GOAT status, especially in this Big 3 era, where 3 men are locked in a race for supremacy in majors won. They now look at who has the most Grand Slams.
Djokovic and Nadal have each won all slams at least twice. I don't think the general public will give a flying fuck if either win another Wimbledon, Australian Open, US Open or French Open, as long as the number of slams they have increases. That's what they are judged by now. I think what might make a difference in giving even more daylight in the GOAT race is winning the Calender Year Grand Slam, as it's considered such a difficult feat . Djokovic had a shot to do it last year and blew it. Only Nadal has a shot of achieving it this year.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 3, 2022 17:55:15 GMT
"Only Nadal has a shot of achieving it this year." Predict him to win Wimbledon then.....put money on it. If Nadal wins Wimbledon I'll leave MAR, if Djoko wins Wimbledon - you leave? Deal? Yeah that's what I thought .....if Wimbledon doesn't confer status than neither does popularity.....it's Slams total....fine with me. Cya in 3 weeks........in the mean time........enjoy my music reviews......
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Post by ibbi on Jun 3, 2022 18:01:28 GMT
"Only Nadal has a shot of achieving it this year." Predict him to win Wimbledon then.....put money on it. If Nadal wins Wimbledon I'll leave MAR, if Djoko wins Wimbledon - you leave? Deal? Yeah that's what I thought .....if Wimbledon doesn't confer status than neither does popularity.....it's Slams total....fine with me. Cya in 3 weeks........in the mean time........enjoy my music reviews...... Apparently, he's not going.
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