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Post by stephen on Oct 21, 2020 15:21:48 GMT
I liked the teasers more. Felt punchier and didn't give away so much of the ghost. But obviously, the more we see, the more we can judge on the finished product. Cinematography looks to be the best Fincher's ever done, at least since his first two films, and with Dune out of the way, it's probably our frontrunner unless AMPAS goes balls-to-the-wall for something like Nomadland. Costumes, production design, makeup -- all of those are probably givens as well, and probably running at the front of the pack there. Dance and Seyfried are looking likelier for nominations with every passing day: the former getting the juiciest role and likely going to be the British stalking horse of the race, the latter couping that ingenue slot and there's an awful lot of meat to Marion Davies as a character. And I, for one, am very glad to see Arliss Howard back on my screen.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 21, 2020 15:50:46 GMT
Liked this better than the teasers which came off a little gimmicky tbh. I needed two minutes to get into the vibe, and I got there. Oldman looks sensational.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Oct 21, 2020 16:34:43 GMT
I still can't get excited for this. Maybe The Good German has soured my modern day "old timey" look and technique movies, but other than Oldman there's not much here I want to check out.
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Post by speeders on Oct 21, 2020 16:44:27 GMT
I greatly preferred the Reddit teaser. As I feared, there doesn't seem to be much if an interesting story (just driven by Fincher wanting to do his old man justice) but from a technical standpoint, this looks great and any new Fincher outing is a cause of anticipation.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 21, 2020 20:30:15 GMT
I greatly preferred the Reddit teaser. As I feared, there doesn't seem to be much if an interesting story (just driven by Fincher wanting to do his old man justice) but from a technical standpoint, this looks great and any new Fincher outing is a cause of anticipation. How you could you possibly assess this from a 2-min trailer?
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Post by speeders on Oct 21, 2020 22:47:20 GMT
I greatly preferred the Reddit teaser. As I feared, there doesn't seem to be much if an interesting story (just driven by Fincher wanting to do his old man justice) but from a technical standpoint, this looks great and any new Fincher outing is a cause of anticipation. How you could you possibly assess this from a 2-min trailer? Well, given how trailers nowadays mostly tell you everything about about the film in 2 minutes, I think it's most certainly easy to assess what is being presented to us. A trailer's job is to show what the story is and sell that to the audience. Herman Mankiewicz writing Citizen Kane doesn't really seem that interesting to me -- I'm not saying it won't be in the film (which remains my most anticipated) but that's what the effect of the trailer had on me. Then There's also this screenplay review
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 23, 2020 16:52:26 GMT
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 23, 2020 23:05:07 GMT
Great interview - especially the part where Fincher talks about discussing the original draft of the script with his father around the time he made his first film. When he mentions how, at the age of 30, he initially wasn't sensitive to his father's idea of the film as a story of an artist finding his voice ("At the time, it didn’t strike me as a middle-aged man taking stock of his life’s contributions"), it's touching how the act of making the film now with that thematic core in mind is also him giving artistic voice to his father - made more poignant by the fact that his father wouldn't live to see it made.
I know some people are saying that the film lacks the zeitgeist element to propel it to a BP win, but in a year like this, the Hollywood history angle and tech attention combined with a more personal narrative like the one above could be just enough.
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Post by stephen on Oct 23, 2020 23:12:40 GMT
I know some people are saying that the film lacks the zeitgeist element to propel it to a BP win, but in a year like this, the Hollywood history angle and tech attention combined with a more personal narrative like the one above could be just enough. It's not so much that it lacks a zeitgeist element (because it could be argued that the idea of people rebelling against an aggressive mogul who pretty much founded the modern concept of "fake news" to stick it to him in the name of art is very timely), but the idea that the Academy rallies around films about the industry has become lampooned in recent years and you know that it's going to be a major factor here, regardless of quality. The new blood of the Academy seems keen on recognizing films either outside of the usual mold, or having some sort of message. Mank is giving me a lot of La La Land vibes: something that does very well in nominations and maybe even coups some major wins, but loses the big prize to something that carries more of a "message." Fincher could definitely win, and normally I would be predicting a Nomadland/Fincher split . . . but I think Zhao's narrative is very strong in her own right, and I could see her being the critical favorite this year.
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Post by quetee on Oct 23, 2020 23:35:25 GMT
I know some people are saying that the film lacks the zeitgeist element to propel it to a BP win, but in a year like this, the Hollywood history angle and tech attention combined with a more personal narrative like the one above could be just enough. It's not so much that it lacks a zeitgeist element (because it could be argued that the idea of people rebelling against an aggressive mogul who pretty much founded the modern concept of "fake news" to stick it to him in the name of art is very timely), but the idea that the Academy rallies around films about the industry has become lampooned in recent years and you know that it's going to be a major factor here, regardless of quality. The new blood of the Academy seems keen on recognizing films either outside of the usual mold, or having some sort of message. Mank is giving me a lot of La La Land vibes: something that does very well in nominations and maybe even coups some major wins, but loses the big prize to something that carries more of a "message." Fincher could definitely win, and normally I would be predicting a Nomadland/Fincher split . . . but I think Zhao's narrative is very strong in her own right, and I could see her being the critical favorite this year. We love movies so of course we have heard of Citizen Kane but GP, doubtful. So they are going to be thinking what's so great about telling this story.
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Post by franklin on Oct 23, 2020 23:55:19 GMT
Fincher is more likely to win Directing than Zhao, he's an overdue filmmaking icon, period.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 24, 2020 4:59:41 GMT
I know some people are saying that the film lacks the zeitgeist element to propel it to a BP win, but in a year like this, the Hollywood history angle and tech attention combined with a more personal narrative like the one above could be just enough. It's not so much that it lacks a zeitgeist element (because it could be argued that the idea of people rebelling against an aggressive mogul who pretty much founded the modern concept of "fake news" to stick it to him in the name of art is very timely), but the idea that the Academy rallies around films about the industry has become lampooned in recent years and you know that it's going to be a major factor here, regardless of quality. The new blood of the Academy seems keen on recognizing films either outside of the usual mold, or having some sort of message. Mank is giving me a lot of La La Land vibes: something that does very well in nominations and maybe even coups some major wins, but loses the big prize to something that carries more of a "message." Fincher could definitely win, and normally I would be predicting a Nomadland/Fincher split . . . but I think Zhao's narrative is very strong in her own right, and I could see her being the critical favorite this year. The difference between this and La La Land though is that this feels like much more of a writer's film. A screenplay win plus a lot of tech attention would be a very dangerous combination - something La La Land didn't have. Nomadland may have a stronger social message, but I'm skeptical that everyone will embrace a small, depressing film with a bare-bones narrative that I can see some voters finding dull.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 25, 2020 5:25:12 GMT
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Post by speeders on Oct 25, 2020 12:56:32 GMT
Imagine if he's referring to Hillbilly Elegy or The Prom
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 25, 2020 14:41:08 GMT
Loathsome hack Robbie Collin recommending Mank (I presume) is like your grandmother telling you she just won a million dollars in a twerking contest......you want to believe it and that she didn't steal or kill for that money but you'll need to wait for confirmation from someone.......ANYONE else......
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 25, 2020 18:39:46 GMT
Includes interviews with Fincher and Seyfried. Ben Mankiewicz of TCM is the grandson of Herman.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 26, 2020 18:45:44 GMT
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Post by stephen on Oct 30, 2020 2:47:38 GMT
Embargo lifted, reactions below:
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 30, 2020 3:12:41 GMT
Embargo lifted, reactions below: Sounds very promising, though the emphasis on it being made to appeal to cinephiles makes it seem like it might have quite a limited audience. Seems like the crafts and techs are the biggest standouts here. Fincher may have a shot at Best Director with that kind of emphasis. Oldman sounds competitive for an Oscar nom as expected, but these don't sound like he's super competitive to win. Seyfried may be quite competitive in supporting actress.
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Post by stephen on Oct 30, 2020 3:20:56 GMT
Seems like the crafts and techs are the biggest standouts here. Fincher may have a shot at Best Director with that kind of emphasis. Oldman sounds competitive for an Oscar nom as expected, but these don't sound like he's super competitive to win. Seyfried may be quite competitive in supporting actress. Yeah, some of the replies on those tweets seem to indicate that it will be more a critical favorite than something general audiences will naturally gravitate towards, with some people saying it could be the Roma of 2020. The biggest takeaway, though, is the general lack of supporting actor mentions. Pelphrey's gotten a couple, and when pressed in those tweet replies, people did like Dance . . . but Seyfried seems to be the one reaping the lion's share of the raves. Could be enough to knock Close's narrative off its pedestal if Netflix decides to back Amanda.
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Post by chris3 on Oct 30, 2020 3:53:19 GMT
Awesome, sounds like this will be the Roma of 2020 (maybe another Picture/Director split?). One trend that annoys me about modern film criticism is when critics write "general audiences might be alienated by..." when they really mean "I was alienated by..." but are afraid of sounding like normies.
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Post by quetee on Oct 30, 2020 4:11:55 GMT
Embargo lifted, reactions below: Sounds very promising, though the emphasis on it being made to appeal to cinephiles makes it seem like it might have quite a limited audience.Seems like the crafts and techs are the biggest standouts here. Fincher may have a shot at Best Director with that kind of emphasis. Oldman sounds competitive for an Oscar nom as expected, but these don't sound like he's super competitive to win. Seyfried may be quite competitive in supporting actress. Netflix will not be releasing viewer numbers.
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 30, 2020 6:56:10 GMT
Reactions don't change my mind: I think this will be the BP winner.
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Post by Pavan on Oct 30, 2020 8:21:18 GMT
Sounds like it's gonna alienate general audience.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 30, 2020 12:04:09 GMT
So sifting through the reactions my takeaway is that: it's a technical masterclass // it's gonna appeal to cinephiles and those who are interested in film history // it's fairly dry and isn't especially high-stakes. Now, personally I'm pretty much counting the days until its release and am damn sure that I'm gonna love it. But it really doesn't sound like something that's gonna unite the AMPAS voters enough to emerge as a BP winner, particularly in a year THIS heavy on social and political issues. A whole bunch of tech wins is in play - definitely Cinematography, then Production and Costume Design, and then Sound, Score and Editing seem like strong bets for nods at the very least, and Fincher may certainly win Director but I don't quite see how a dry tale about a drunken screenwriter wins BP at the post-election Oscars. But that's just about the Oscars. Honestly, in general the reactions have me very exicted for the movie itself. A non-romantic but also a non-OTT-sex-and-drugs take on old Hollywood is bait for me. An odyssey through the classic era of Hollywood and the politics around it sound like my cup of tea indeed, even if I can't say that I'm a scientific expert on those matters myself
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