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Post by countjohn on Feb 12, 2020 7:15:09 GMT
3/3, Nevada is a lock.
And forget about brokered convention. I got a worse scenario for ya. Bernie wins outright, Bloomberg runs as an independent because fuck him and gets Romney for VP or some other snake centrist from either party, no one hits 270 electoral votes and the election goes to the Democrat controlled House of Representatives. President Bloomberg.
Bloomberg wouldn't win a single state in a third party bid outside of maybe Utah if he had Romney on the ticket. Even then his being pro-choice probably wrecks it.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 13, 2020 4:23:50 GMT
I hope Amy, I'm not of Us and usually prefer Republicans (not always), but I like what she said. She is funny, she has experience.-
And beside all she isn't Bernie Stalin, Pocahontas or Hunter dad's.-
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Post by dazed on Feb 13, 2020 14:15:38 GMT
I hope Amy, I'm not of Us and usually prefer Republicans (not always), but I like what she said. She is funny, she has experience.- And beside all she isn't Bernie Stalin, Pocahontas or Hunter dad's.-
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 13, 2020 18:36:14 GMT
Also, no way Buttigieg wins a general election. I hate to have to say it like this but if America wasn’t ready for a woman president or a black president (even though we got one), it definitely ain’t ready for a gay president.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 14, 2020 6:32:36 GMT
Also, no way Buttigieg wins a general election. I hate to have to say it like this but if America wasn’t ready for a woman president or a black president (even though we got one), it definitely ain’t ready for a gay president. It would be like a black person on the ticket in the 70's or 80's. That would be rough.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 20, 2020 3:40:49 GMT
Stupid Democratic debates tonight eliminating Jeopardy.
I don't care about the DEMOCRATS and their ramblings, they'll all get blown out by Trump
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Post by dazed on Feb 23, 2020 2:46:40 GMT
3/3
If Bernie can manage to upset in South Carolina, I don’t think there’s stopping him. His momentum will be insane. It will be interesting to see what the polls for SC will be looking like for the next week.
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Post by dazed on Feb 27, 2020 22:09:56 GMT
All data is pointing towards Biden having a huge Saturday. Coverage of that could give him a decent bump in the Super Tuesday states. Will definitely help with his electability argument (which is the main thing going for him, even though he’s losing support on that point).
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 27, 2020 23:03:24 GMT
All data is pointing towards Biden having a huge Saturday. Coverage of that could give him a decent bump in the Super Tuesday states. Will definitely help with his electability argument (which is the main thing going for him, even though he’s losing support on that point). I agree but the problem with that is I'm not sure anybody drops out from Saturday night-Tuesday and with that crowded a field it still favors Bernie - they are screwing themselves by all of them staying in the race ......
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 28, 2020 4:23:24 GMT
If Biden loses here he’s dropping out.
Remember that this is the point in the race where Jeb! dropped out.
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Post by morton on Mar 1, 2020 0:44:18 GMT
Ugh, I guess I'm back to supporting Biden which is where I was at early on because I thought he was the only person that could beat Trump. Then he seemed to get really lazy, and that made me mad because I didn't want another Hilary situation where she just assumed she was going to win and didn't campaign in key states enough. In theory I like Bernie's plans better, but I don't really know how realistic they are, and I'm not really sure he can beat Trump. I mean sure in states that were already going to go blue, he'll likely, but so many people I know think that he's basically a Communist, and even many Democrats I know don't really like him either. One of my worst fears is not only do the Dems lose to Trump again, but we end up losing big in the House and Senate because of Bernie. I know he has a lot of young followers who hopefully would go out and vote, but I don't know if it would be enough to offset the number of baby boomers that usually do go out and vote. Then you add in voter suppression and definite Russian tampering, and I'm already in panic mode and we still have 8 more months.
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Post by dazed on Mar 1, 2020 5:32:18 GMT
After tonight, I'm giving Trump a 75% chance at being reelected.
There's a great chance of a brokered convention happening, and it's likely to happen when Bernie has the most votes and delegates. There's no way in hell the super delegates and other candidates give him the win. This will cause a major rift in the party and ultimately lead to Bernies supporters not voting in the election.
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Post by Joaquim on Mar 1, 2020 5:36:40 GMT
Tom Steyer has backed his ass out of the race.
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Post by tobias on Mar 1, 2020 7:07:12 GMT
Ugh, I guess I'm back to supporting Biden which is where I was at early on because I thought he was the only person that could beat Trump. Then he seemed to get really lazy, and that made me mad because I didn't want another Hilary situation where she just assumed she was going to win and didn't campaign in key states enough. In theory I like Bernie's plans better, but I don't really know how realistic they are, and I'm not really sure he can beat Trump. I mean sure in states that were already going to go blue, he'll likely, but so many people I know think that he's basically a Communist, and even many Democrats I know don't really like him either. One of my worst fears is not only do the Dems lose to Trump again, but we end up losing big in the House and Senate because of Bernie. I know he has a lot of young followers who hopefully would go out and vote, but I don't know if it would be enough to offset the number of baby boomers that usually do go out and vote. Then you add in voter suppression and definite Russian tampering, and I'm already in panic mode and we still have 8 more months. Biden will definitely lose against Trump unless there is a major recession before the election. He brings nothing to the table, he doesn't bring any motivation to vote for him. All Biden can do is rely on voters who'll vote for him anyway, that's not gonna cut it. He's like Clinton but worse. Clinton led Trump by 10+ points in march of 2016, Biden is at 5,4 and he doesn't have anything to bank on but his polling - which by now should be proven to be a completely inflated balloon. He doesn't bring anything to the table, he never did, that's why he always implodes. If you want to get Trump out of the White House he's one of your worst bets, the only thing he has is default support. Sanders may very well lose (which would be ridiculous anywhere in Western Europe) but he's good at mobilizing people, he's a good public speaker, he has a good standing in many of the swing states, he pulls in people that don't usually vote, he's by far the most favourable among people that don't vote democratic by default, he has a decent chance and no other candidate has any many upsides as him in terms of electability. Strategically it makes no sense to worry about people who vote for the democratic nominee anway. If they don't like Sanders they'll hold their nose and vote for him. If you really just want to get rid of Trump both Gabbard and Klobuchar would also be better bets than Biden but they'll never be the nominee.
Case in point: I think it's silly that people worry over who has the best chance against Trump, the candidate that presents the most intruiging case for the future of the country has the best shot at also winning the general election. That was always Sanders.
I actually have an anecdote from Germany. The party leaders of the German Greens used to be two conservatives (they have a male and a female leader because of silly quotas). They were moderately popular within the Green bubble and actually won the leadership contest again in 2016 against a couple of challengers (well, the guy did, the woman had no competition). However beyond that their appeal was basically 0. I'm broadly speaking a libertarian socialist, I would never, never vote for the Greens with that leadership, they didn't appeal to conservative voters from the SPD or CDU either, not to liberal-conservatives from the FDP either and especially not to the nationalists who hate the Greens no matter what. They ended up becomming the smallest party in parliament. After losing the party leaders stepped down and the leading Green politician from my state (Habeck) - who previously lost the leadership contest against the sitting leader - took over. He's significantly to the left of ther previous leadership, no contest. Now if you know anything about German politics you would say: Hey, but the only party traditionally to the left of the Greens is the Left and they are the 2nd smallest party with a voting bloq of 10 % or less (9,2 % at the last election), so there's only conservative voters to be won on the right. However the Greens are now consistently polling above 20 % and are within reach to become the biggest party (though that's still a bit of a stretch) and The Left still polls around 10 % as usual; weird, isn't it? There's other reasons for this development but one of the prime reasons is really that Habeck is the only prominent German politician who has any kind of vision for the future of this country.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 1, 2020 7:31:28 GMT
Ugh, I guess I'm back to supporting Biden which is where I was at early on because I thought he was the only person that could beat Trump. Then he seemed to get really lazy, and that made me mad because I didn't want another Hilary situation where she just assumed she was going to win and didn't campaign in key states enough. In theory I like Bernie's plans better, but I don't really know how realistic they are, and I'm not really sure he can beat Trump. I mean sure in states that were already going to go blue, he'll likely, but so many people I know think that he's basically a Communist, and even many Democrats I know don't really like him either. One of my worst fears is not only do the Dems lose to Trump again, but we end up losing big in the House and Senate because of Bernie. I know he has a lot of young followers who hopefully would go out and vote, but I don't know if it would be enough to offset the number of baby boomers that usually do go out and vote. Then you add in voter suppression and definite Russian tampering, and I'm already in panic mode and we still have 8 more months. Biden will definitely lose against Trump unless there is a major recession before the election. He brings nothing to the table, he doesn't bring any motivation to vote for him. All Biden can do is rely on voters who'll vote for him anyway, that's not gonna cut it. He's like Clinton but worse. Clinton led Trump by 10+ points in march of 2016, Biden is at 5,4 and he doesn't have anything to bank on but his polling - which by now should be proven to be a completely inflated balloon. He doesn't bring anything to the table, he never did, that's why he always implodes. If you want to get Trump out of the White House he's one of your worst bets, the only thing he has is default support. Sanders may very well lose (which would be ridiculous anywhere in Western Europe) but he's good at mobilizing people, he's a good public speaker, he has a good standing in many of the swing states, he pulls in people that don't usually vote, he's by far the most favourable among people that don't vote democratic by default, he has a decent chance and no other candidate has any many upsides as him in terms of electability. Strategically it makes no sense to worry about people who vote for the democratic nominee anway. If they don't like Sanders they'll hold their nose and vote for him. If you really just want to get rid of Trump both Gabbard and Klobuchar would also be better bets than Biden but they'll never be the nominee.
He's also good at making a bunch of unrealistic plans that sounds so good, but we know is not gonna happen. I guess young people like to keep dreaming though. But oohhhh climate change. Ohhh college debts. Well.... I don't have any college debts, the majority of the country over 30 doesn't so...there's your first sign of him primarily getting support from one age group.
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Post by tobias on Mar 1, 2020 7:55:30 GMT
Biden will definitely lose against Trump unless there is a major recession before the election. He brings nothing to the table, he doesn't bring any motivation to vote for him. All Biden can do is rely on voters who'll vote for him anyway, that's not gonna cut it. He's like Clinton but worse. Clinton led Trump by 10+ points in march of 2016, Biden is at 5,4 and he doesn't have anything to bank on but his polling - which by now should be proven to be a completely inflated balloon. He doesn't bring anything to the table, he never did, that's why he always implodes. If you want to get Trump out of the White House he's one of your worst bets, the only thing he has is default support. Sanders may very well lose (which would be ridiculous anywhere in Western Europe) but he's good at mobilizing people, he's a good public speaker, he has a good standing in many of the swing states, he pulls in people that don't usually vote, he's by far the most favourable among people that don't vote democratic by default, he has a decent chance and no other candidate has any many upsides as him in terms of electability. Strategically it makes no sense to worry about people who vote for the democratic nominee anway. If they don't like Sanders they'll hold their nose and vote for him. If you really just want to get rid of Trump both Gabbard and Klobuchar would also be better bets than Biden but they'll never be the nominee.
He's also good at making a bunch of unrealistic plans that sounds so good, but we know is not gonna happen. I guess young people like to keep dreaming though. But oohhhh climate change. Ohhh college debts. Well.... I don't have any college debts, the majority of the country over 30 doesn't so...there's your first sign of him primarily getting support from one age group. Making unrealistic plans is how you win elections, get over it. Trump par example played that game really well. Trump promises to repeal Obamacare, Trump promissed to eliminate the federal debt in 8 years, Trump promised to make Mexico pay for the wall, Trump promised to bring back waterboarding, Trump promised to ban muslims from entering the US, Trump promised to enact term limits on congress, etc. all of that was complete bullshit but surpremely appealing to the right kind of person. Look how well Yang did from completely nothing, look how well Warren was doing for a long time. If you do nothing at all (like Biden) there's no reason to even talk about you besides the media pushing you. Even Clinton had some kind of actual platform.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 1, 2020 9:03:00 GMT
He's also good at making a bunch of unrealistic plans that sounds so good, but we know is not gonna happen. I guess young people like to keep dreaming though. But oohhhh climate change. Ohhh college debts. Well.... I don't have any college debts, the majority of the country over 30 doesn't so...there's your first sign of him primarily getting support from one age group. Making unrealistic plans is how you win elections, get over it. Trump par example played that game really well. Trump promises to repeal Obamacare, Trump promissed to eliminate the federal debt in 8 years, Trump promised to make Mexico pay for the wall, Trump promised to bring back waterboarding, Trump promised to ban muslims from entering the US, Trump promised to enact term limits on congress, etc. all of that was complete bullshit but surpremely appealing to the right kind of person. Look how well Yang did from completely nothing, look how well Warren was doing for a long time. If you do nothing at all (like Biden) there's no reason to even talk about you besides the media pushing you. Even Clinton had some kind of actual platform. -His making progress with Obamacare repeal is good enough for some people though. He's made multiple attempts, sending it to the Senate. Some people would interpret that as progress although it takes a while to get things into effect. -The thing is, Trump hasn't promised gifts like Sanders (and Obama before him) and the commonality of Democrats promising people a better life just like that. Obama wins over minorities that way, and Sanders win over young people. He's saying that he'll eliminate college debt completely. He says he'll tax wall street transactions. Every transaction that goes through and passes hands will be taxed, according to him and that would make this country completely free of college debt. Trump to my knowledge hasn't promised the gifts that Sanders has. Trump's proposal of eliminating federal debt doesn't sound like a direct promise of a service like Sanders, in my opinion. -That border wall thing was just amusement. -I was aware the travel ban is in effect. Muslims in fact are being limited from entering the U.S. -Terms limits on congress is part of his drain the swamp message. He has fired and heavily punished lots of his inside appointees and people associated with him. I think people get the fact that the dude is highly misanthropic and his ruthlessness is being felt by some of his supporters. So you can argue he has in fact greatly drained the swamp, although maybe lesser so the Democratic side of things but still....lots of people feel like he's great at dealing scumbags. So he has in fact done half of the things he said he would. You can argue Sanders > Biden all you want. I don't really care, but maybe you're underestimating "default" candidates. There might be more of the default voters around than the voters of Sanders. Though I don't know that for sure. Sanders can very well overpower Biden, but I don't see how he'll beat Trump if he probably couldn't come close in 2016.
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Post by jimmalone on Mar 1, 2020 9:12:07 GMT
After tonight, I'm giving Trump a 75% chance at being reelected. There's a great chance of a brokered convention happening, and it's likely to happen when Bernie has the most votes and delegates. There's no way in hell the super delegates and other candidates give him the win. This will cause a major rift in the party and ultimately lead to Bernies supporters not voting in the election. I'm afraid this is exactly what will happen.
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Post by jimmalone on Mar 1, 2020 9:24:59 GMT
Ugh, I guess I'm back to supporting Biden which is where I was at early on because I thought he was the only person that could beat Trump. Then he seemed to get really lazy, and that made me mad because I didn't want another Hilary situation where she just assumed she was going to win and didn't campaign in key states enough. In theory I like Bernie's plans better, but I don't really know how realistic they are, and I'm not really sure he can beat Trump. I mean sure in states that were already going to go blue, he'll likely, but so many people I know think that he's basically a Communist, and even many Democrats I know don't really like him either. One of my worst fears is not only do the Dems lose to Trump again, but we end up losing big in the House and Senate because of Bernie. I know he has a lot of young followers who hopefully would go out and vote, but I don't know if it would be enough to offset the number of baby boomers that usually do go out and vote. Then you add in voter suppression and definite Russian tampering, and I'm already in panic mode and we still have 8 more months. At the 2016 election I thought as well, that Sanders, while I personally would have totally voted for him if I was American, would lose against Trump, because he was too much of a socialist, which I thought the USA were not ready for. I thought Clinton should beat Trump, but that Biden would have been an even more sure bet, because he is generally more liked than Hillary. Initially after the 2016 election I thought it was a pity that Biden wasn't the Democratic candidate, still thinking he would have won more votes in the middle. In those three and a half years my mind has changed about it. I really think Sanders has the best chance to beat Trump. Cause (I think) many Trump voters in 2016 actually voted less for him and more against the "establishment". The pool of discontent is always a huge one, no matter what and responsible for this are the elites. The establishment. I live in Vienna, Austria. The "Mercer Study" has voted it seven years in a row the most "liveable city" in the world. And also in other polls of this kind it finishes always high. And still ... there are soo many discontent people here - and I'm not speaking about people, who live in poverty. But Biden is like Clinton was exactly part of this "establishment", that many people dislike. Many of them just wanted a change. In 2016 Trump, as idiotic as his ideas were and still are, was the only one who offered this. Now Sanders would as well though. So I actually think that Sanders could win some voters over for his ideas.
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Post by tobias on Mar 1, 2020 10:27:17 GMT
urbanpatrician - It's kind of funny how you try to refuse the premise of the proposition. By making excuses for Trump you're completely affirming my point. Sanders supporters would do the same. The thing that is the most important about campaign promises is that they tap into some kind of desire, that's also why you and others go to such lengths to prove that oh, Trump actually did achieve that or to somehow deflect to something unrelated. It's the same thing. Sanders promise is at heart an infrastructure reform to make the US work more like most European countries. Trump's promise of entirely slashing the deficit was some flaccid bullshit he pulled out of his own ass. Making universities tuition free is just a way to rearange the costs. The US pays surprise, suprise the 2nd most for tertiary education among all OECD countries under its current scheme. The cost argument is ridiculous. If anything at least argue some neoliberalist shite like private spending on education makes it more effective - which even buying neoliberal premises is a bit ridiculous, who seriously believes that placing gigantic debt on 20-somethings leads to a strong and innovative market? Denmark - a more market-liberal country than the US - pays students to attend university. You make it seem like the idea of a FTT is something terribly arcane when the US had one for 50 years in the early to mid 20th century. Nancy Pelosi previously supported an FTT proposed in the G20 after the 2008 crash and in general the idea of an FTT has seen a lot of renewed interest since the crash, even in conservative circles. The EU has been trying to set one up for years, spearheaded by conservative governments in France and Germany.
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Post by morton on Mar 1, 2020 16:57:51 GMT
Ugh, I guess I'm back to supporting Biden which is where I was at early on because I thought he was the only person that could beat Trump. Then he seemed to get really lazy, and that made me mad because I didn't want another Hilary situation where she just assumed she was going to win and didn't campaign in key states enough. In theory I like Bernie's plans better, but I don't really know how realistic they are, and I'm not really sure he can beat Trump. I mean sure in states that were already going to go blue, he'll likely, but so many people I know think that he's basically a Communist, and even many Democrats I know don't really like him either. One of my worst fears is not only do the Dems lose to Trump again, but we end up losing big in the House and Senate because of Bernie. I know he has a lot of young followers who hopefully would go out and vote, but I don't know if it would be enough to offset the number of baby boomers that usually do go out and vote. Then you add in voter suppression and definite Russian tampering, and I'm already in panic mode and we still have 8 more months. At the 2016 election I thought as well, that Sanders, while I personally would have totally voted for him if I was American, would lose against Trump, because he was too much of a socialist, which I thought the USA were not ready for. I thought Clinton should beat Trump, but that Biden would have been an even more sure bet, because he is generally more liked than Hillary. Initially after the 2016 election I thought it was a pity that Biden wasn't the Democratic candidate, still thinking he would have won more votes in the middle. In those three and a half years my mind has changed about it. I really think Sanders has the best chance to beat Trump. Cause (I think) many Trump voters in 2016 actually voted less for him and more against the "establishment". The pool of discontent is always a huge one, no matter what and responsible for this are the elites. The establishment. I live in Vienna, Austria. The "Mercer Study" has voted it seven years in a row the most "liveable city" in the world. And also in other polls of this kind it finishes always high. And still ... there are soo many discontent people here - and I'm not speaking about people, who live in poverty. But Biden is like Clinton was exactly part of this "establishment", that many people dislike. Many of them just wanted a change. In 2016 Trump, as idiotic as his ideas were and still are, was the only one who offered this. Now Sanders would as well though. So I actually think that Sanders could win some voters over for his ideas. You might be right, but anecdotally in real life I only know one person for sure that supports Bernie. She's a friend of a family member on Facebook, and I just know her from seeing her at special occasions that the family member that we know sometimes celebrates, and she posted a couple of weeks ago that she was supporting Bernie because of his college debt relief plan. It was like a shit storm in her replies, lol. Maybe it's because we both live in Ohio, but there were so many people that were appalled by the idea of young people getting out of their debts that yeah I can see how it would be appealing to a certain demographic, but just that one demographic voting for Bernie won't be enough if the other demographics are all against him. I actually think it's a good idea, but I just don't know if Americans as whole will ever go for it. Even with Medicare for All which has picked up a lot of support over the years and something that poor people should back because it's for their own interest isn't readily accepted here by even when the state and local governments are cutting benefits left and right, and so many people have to rely on GoFundMe to pay their medical bills. Or I saw that Sasha Stone just said that she was leaving the Democratic party and becoming Independent because of the way they are now. Sure she's crazy, imo, and I only follow her to see what insane thing she'll say next, but she really does embody that white, pseudo-baby boomer, woke feminist voter like when she supported Green Book only because of the backlash, and it turned out that award voters were very similar to her. Again anecdotally from social media, I see so many people that want Trump out, but since the primaries have totally come out against Sanders, and even if it's between Trump and Sanders, they'll not vote for either one. I agree that Biden has a lot of problems getting elected too. He's been too lazy which ended up costing Hilary the election. He's seen as the establishment which means the progressive part of the Democratic party won't want to vote for him. Even with all of that though, I still feel that he has the best chance of beating Trump, so basically I think we're fucked unless the Coronavirus really tanks the economy or something, , because every potential candidate just has too much baggage. I was going for Warren because I thought she was the best compromise between Sanders and Biden for the party, but that's just a dream now.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 1, 2020 18:56:29 GMT
urbanpatrician - It's kind of funny how you try to refuse the premise of the proposition. By making excuses for Trump you're completely affirming my point. Sanders supporters would do the same. The thing that is the most important about campaign promises is that they tap into some kind of desire, that's also why you and others go to such lengths to prove that oh, Trump actually did achieve that or to somehow deflect to something unrelated. It's the same thing. Sanders promise is at heart an infrastructure reform to make the US work more like most European countries. Trump's promise of entirely slashing the deficit was some flaccid bullshit he pulled out of his own ass. Making universities tuition free is just a way to rearange the costs. The US pays surprise, suprise the 2nd most for tertiary education among all OECD countries under its current scheme. The cost argument is ridiculous. If anything at least argue some neoliberalist shite like private spending on education makes it more effective - which even buying neoliberal premises is a bit ridiculous, who seriously believes that placing gigantic debt on 20-somethings leads to a strong and innovative market? Denmark - a more market-liberal country than the US - pays students to attend university. You make it seem like the idea of a FTT is something terribly arcane when the US had one for 50 years in the early to mid 20th century. Nancy Pelosi previously supported an FTT proposed in the G20 after the 2008 crash and in general the idea of an FTT has seen a lot of renewed interest since the crash, even in conservative circles. The EU has been trying to set one up for years, spearheaded by conservative governments in France and Germany. What are you talking about, making excuses for Trump? I've not made any excuse. You brought Trump into this discussion. He's done lots of things among the items that you named. It's a fact. You seem to not know Trump as well as Sanders, no offense dude. You're entitled to invest more of your brain cells on Sanders, but all I'm doing is naming Trump things. And I realize Sanders is trying to make US education into a European system. But even that it'll be hard. Half of the U.S. doesn't want that system. It'll be difficult to change the archaic structure of the U.S. Will the Senate even look at it? What revolution do we need in this country for that and is it worth it? You can argue Sanders is banking on false dreams that is unlikely going to happen making it sound all good and shit. While Trump spewing bullshit at least some of us know he's just clowning. His proposals are often too ridiculous to take seriously, so lots of people like me don't even count on it. That's what I'm trying to say. No idea how you think Sanders trying to turn U.S. into Europe has any reality to it if Trump's doesn't. It's just as unrealistic as some of what Trump proposes.... no offense, dude. I'm also just having a conversation, dude. Though I do agree with Ocasio-Cortez that the 20s age group do not need to bear such a hard burden in life just because of their age group. There is no use in placing a gigantic debt on the 20s population, i agree with you.
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Post by dazed on Mar 1, 2020 19:59:15 GMT
No candidate has disappointed me more than Warren during this process.
She has no chance at winning the nomination (Clinton is more than double her in regards to betting odds lmao) and even said last night it’s all about the brokered convention now. If she truly believed in her progressive values, she’d drop out of the race and support the only other progressive candidate to get him over the hump since her staying in this race is a major reason of why there’ll be even be a brokered convention.
Her whole dishonesty with super pacs has just been embarrassing to watch too.
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Post by dazed on Mar 2, 2020 18:48:55 GMT
Klobuchar and Buttigieg dropping out to help Biden while Warren stays in and splits votes with Bernie.
Fuck me.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 2, 2020 19:19:59 GMT
Brokered convention obviously coming - what a mess.....
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