urbanpatrician
Based
"I just wanna go back, back to 1999. back to hit me baby one more time" - Charli XCX
Posts: 4,848
Likes: 2,366
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 8, 2019 10:01:21 GMT
I don't follow Democratic stuff. This Williamson woman is amusing. Who's gonna be the Democratic candidate? Or should I assume they all suck?
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Jul 8, 2019 10:35:29 GMT
It's amazing to me in 2016 they ran the only candidate who could lose to Trump and now they do not have a single candidate who could beat him (imo).
The way I see it Biden fades or is so bloodied he's fatally weakened by the general election, - see how much 75+ year olds age in a year - Harris is not a legit candidate - Bernie's time passed - 2016 was that window............it's Warren who to me is the happy medium and will be sold as a lunatic shrew in a campaign against Trump sadly.
It's unbelievable the decline of that party - my party - who spoke Spanish in debates, promised healthcare to non-citizens, has not formed a coherent argument on the Mueller report, wants to eliminate all students debt (right), and is telling you how awful things are when everyone has a job.
This is a party of losers now tbh - Vice Presidents on their 3rd campaign, 1 term California reps (there's a state they need - sarcasm), people who lost to guys who lost to Trump already, the mayor of a town significantly smaller than a busy day at a rural Walmart.
The party is a rudderless ship ....as of today anyway. Depressing......
|
|
urbanpatrician
Based
"I just wanna go back, back to 1999. back to hit me baby one more time" - Charli XCX
Posts: 4,848
Likes: 2,366
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 8, 2019 11:06:40 GMT
It's amazing to me in 2016 they ran the only candidate who could lose to Trump and now they do not have a single candidate who could beat him (imo). The way I see it Biden fades or is so bloodied he's fatally weakened by the general election, - see how much 75+ year olds age in a year - Harris is not a legit candidate - Bernie's time passed - 2016 was that window............it's Warren who to me is the happy medium and will be sold as a lunatic shrew in a campaign against Trump sadly. It's unbelievable the decline of that party - my party - who spoke Spanish in debates, promised healthcare to non-citizens, has not formed a coherent argument on the Mueller report, wants to eliminate all students debt (right), and is telling you how awful things are when everyone has a job. This is a party of losers now tbh - Vice Presidents on their 3rd campaign, 1 term California reps (there's a state they need - sarcasm), people who lost to guys who lost to Trump already, the mayor of a town significantly smaller than a busy day at a rural Walmart. The party is a rudderless ship ....as of today anyway. Depressing...... I guess the answer is nobody. I think the Hillary Clinton loss really weakened the party. Now they're struggling to find some identity going into the 2020s, and it seems like it really dispersed the party to little bits and pieces represented a little by each candidate still on the platform. (I guess they're trying to get a female Trump with Williamson) It'll take them some time to recover from that epic defeat. The Democratic party is in the Carter days, it looks like.
|
|
|
Post by Joaquim on Jul 8, 2019 12:03:03 GMT
Mommy Tulsi
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 12:28:50 GMT
I'm still having a really hard time imagining that T**** takes every single swing state (barring Nevada) plus Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin again... Unless y'all think he's flipping some blue states (lol)?
|
|
clunkybob2
Junior Member
clunky's posts should be locked in a cell
Posts: 262
Likes: 94
|
Post by clunkybob2 on Jul 8, 2019 16:05:28 GMT
Vote for this guy. I wanna see a zillionenth rate Mr. Smith go to Washington.
|
|
dazed
Based
Posts: 2,621
Likes: 1,785
|
Post by dazed on Jul 8, 2019 22:45:33 GMT
Bernie
|
|
|
Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 9, 2019 1:51:36 GMT
|
|
dazed
Based
Posts: 2,621
Likes: 1,785
|
Post by dazed on Jul 9, 2019 3:43:13 GMT
I had the same reaction when you said Biden has the best chance at beating Trump.
|
|
erickeitel
Junior Member
The beauty of life is in small details, not in big events.
Posts: 464
Likes: 383
|
Post by erickeitel on Jul 11, 2019 22:41:15 GMT
It's amazing to me in 2016 they ran the only candidate who could lose to Trump and now they do not have a single candidate who could beat him (imo). Exactly how I see it. Though I can't succumb to the idea of another four years just yet, it's not looking good.
|
|
|
Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jul 12, 2019 12:57:02 GMT
As a non-American I should probably keep my nose out, which wouldn't be hard as I'm not particularly interested; but I will say that in 2016 whenever Trump v Clinton was being discussed within my vicinity and I chose to involve myself, it was to tell everyone who would listen that they should prepare themselves for a Trump win. I was scoffed at pretty universally, but whatever, like I said, I didn't really care.
This time around, knowing nothing of the candidates for the democratic nomination, my only opinion is that it really doesn't matter. The only way Trump won't be president of the US until 2024, is if health / death (I mean he is 73) or his own choice prevents it. It's a shame too, as I think the last three years of his buffoonery have been enough. I try to avoid all talk of him as much as possible, but it's difficult if you like to remain informed in terms of what's going on in the world.
I don't really have an in-depth knowledge of the working of US politics, but I would have though that from November 10th 2016 onward, the democratic party should have been working on having a few (maximum) strong and viable opponents to beat Trump. That way the decision on a final candidate would be less divisive and I'm sure not so ultimately bitter and unpleasant. I'm probably just being a John Lennon "Imagine" level of fool on that though.
|
|
|
Post by ibbi on Jul 12, 2019 22:10:49 GMT
That Kamala Harris from what I'm seeing is playing the Game of Thrones like a pro. Good speech making, and a story telling, and public pandering, and appears to be in full control of her mental faculties.
|
|
|
Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 15, 2019 2:37:30 GMT
Hopefully Biden as I think he’s the only candidate that can beat Trump.
|
|
|
Post by quetee on Jul 15, 2019 2:41:13 GMT
Does it even matter?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 11:57:10 GMT
That Kamala Harris from what I'm seeing is playing the Game of Thrones like a pro. Good speech making, and a story telling, and public pandering, and appears to be in full control of her mental faculties. I was worried that she wouldn't be able to appeal to "Middle America," but after seeing her on Kimmel last night, I think I was wrong.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Jul 18, 2019 13:17:42 GMT
Another good "what if" question would be a sort of Quentin Tarantino revisionist history - if you had to have a Republican president who would you have preferred to be sitting in the White House now? Who would you have wanted someone as a "reasonable" Republican instead of Trump and over Hillary? Ted Cruz? Marco Rubio? Would you have preferred Hillary Clinton over say that other zillionaire Mitt Romney the 2012 Republican nominee? Or is "never Trump" just shorthand really for "never a Republican"? It's an interesting hypothetical since usually the argument is to just replace Hillary Clinton as nominee. I am almost at the point now where I think, with the events of the past week or so, the Democratic nominee whoever it is needs to take this position - Trump can't expand his base - if Democrats can just increase turnout regardless of nominee, in theory, that can make up that ~80,000 or so shortfall they had in 2016. It's not THAT hard really to have that plan........and that goes for Biden/Harris/Warren/Sanders - whichever of those 4 it is............same basic plan, right? That assumes everything else on the map stays as is too.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 15:25:09 GMT
Another good "what if" question would be a sort of Quentin Tarantino revisionist history - if you had to have a Republican president who would you have preferred to be sitting in the White House now? Who would you have wanted someone as a "reasonable" Republican instead of Trump and over Hillary? Ted Cruz? Marco Rubio? Would you have preferred Hillary Clinton over say that other zillionaire Mitt Romney the 2012 Republican nominee? Or is "never Trump" just shorthand really for "never a Republican"? It's an interesting hypothetical since usually the argument is to just replace Hillary Clinton as nominee. I am almost at the point now where I think, with the events of the past week or so, the Democratic nominee whoever it is needs to take this position - Trump can't expand his base - if Democrats can just increase turnout regardless of nominee, in theory, that can make up that ~80,000 or so shortfall they had in 2016. It's not THAT hard really to have that plan........and that goes for Biden/Harris/Warren/Sanders - whichever of those 4 it is............same basic plan, right? That assumes everything else on the map stays as is too. Obviously I would prefer to have a Democrat as President, but I will say that though Romney's and Rubio's (and Kasich's) policies would have been largely similar to Trump's (minus tariffs, the embrace of evil dictators, the disparagement of the American Intelligence agencies, etc.), they would not be lowering the standards of the Presidency and working to actively divide Americans, so yes, they would be preferable to Trump. Cruz, no.
|
|
|
Post by MsMovieStar on Jul 18, 2019 16:39:42 GMT
Oh honey, do you think Ocasio-Cortez is trying to steal my look? I saw a pic of her the other day with a yellow scarf and I think it's only a matter of time before she wraps it around her head and starts addressing the Senate as honeys... Have you noticed how she's co-opted yellow? And that lipstick! Have you seen this? Democracy is a mess at the moment. We must fight the rise of fascism that threatens our country! If everyone just does what I say, we may be able to sort it out. You can start by 'liking' my posts, while I think about whether I should run for presidency... and what I should wear.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Oct 7, 2019 10:08:13 GMT
Hmmmm.......well Bernie is out (even if he stays in the race, his heart attack nixes him to contend) so does this open up room to step up and make a move or is it a Biden/Warren race .........this political board is so apathetic lately, nobody even comments on his heart attack
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Oct 8, 2019 0:23:57 GMT
Another good "what if" question would be a sort of Quentin Tarantino revisionist history - if you had to have a Republican president who would you have preferred to be sitting in the White House now? Who would you have wanted someone as a "reasonable" Republican instead of Trump and over Hillary? Ted Cruz? Marco Rubio? Would you have preferred Hillary Clinton over say that other zillionaire Mitt Romney the 2012 Republican nominee? Or is "never Trump" just shorthand really for "never a Republican"? It's an interesting hypothetical since usually the argument is to just replace Hillary Clinton as nominee. I am almost at the point now where I think, with the events of the past week or so, the Democratic nominee whoever it is needs to take this position - Trump can't expand his base - if Democrats can just increase turnout regardless of nominee, in theory, that can make up that ~80,000 or so shortfall they had in 2016. It's not THAT hard really to have that plan........and that goes for Biden/Harris/Warren/Sanders - whichever of those 4 it is............same basic plan, right? That assumes everything else on the map stays as is too. I've heard some Democrats say in hindsight they would take Romney beating Obama if it would prevent Trump. I also think something happened to the country during Obama's second term, still haven't really figured out what. Republicans used to always nominate the most boring candidate (two Bushes, Dole, McCain, Romney) but in 2016 it was like a switch flipped and they nominated the wildman. I don't think it's necessarily Obama's fault, but with Romney as president you probably don't see the big outpouring of rage that lead to Trump and the alt-right and the country is probably more stable culturally. Hmmmm.......well Bernie is out (even if he stays in the race, his heart attack nixes him to contend) so does this open up room to step up and make a move or is it a Biden/Warren race .........this political board is so apathetic lately, nobody even comments on his heart attack My initial thought was that Biden would win unless either Bernie or Warren dropped out fairly early. They are his two most significant challengers and are likely drawing from the same pool of voters. So I think this is a big opening for Warren.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Feb 11, 2020 19:40:59 GMT
No thread activity since October - geesh.........Bernie will win NH tonight right and then what.....my last post in this thread says "Bernie is out" after his heart attack.......um, nope, wrong again pacinoyes .........stick to acting pal How about some Bloomberg thoughts........hmmmmmmm
|
|
Film Socialism
Based
99.9999% of rock is crap
Posts: 2,555
Likes: 1,388
|
Post by Film Socialism on Feb 12, 2020 1:37:44 GMT
the billionaires are going to split the votes. the funny thing is that i absolutely could have seen bernie getting dicked by the DNC again (i mean it literally already happened again a week ago lol but you get the idea) and losing the nom but the rest of the field is basically just the same person with slightly different financial sector backing other than like yang (whos gone now). like if biden dropped out due to any one of his controversies or buttigieg for his horrible track record i think it would be pretty easy to back a centrist candidate, but then they kept at it and warren converted into one lmao
with the way it's looking off these two primaries, in 2016 they lost to the rightwingers and in 2020 they're losing to the leftists
|
|
dazed
Based
Posts: 2,621
Likes: 1,785
|
Post by dazed on Feb 12, 2020 6:13:58 GMT
2 for 2.
I thought I’d feel great about Bernie getting out of the first two states with W’s, but I don’t. Even though he won tonight, he did underperform and ended up with the same number of delegates as Pete. I thought he’d win by around 5%. Biden has face planted, which is good for Bernie.
Part of me feels like this might go to a brokered convention. If that’s the case, Bernie is fucked. As of right now, Bernie has the best chance for the nomination. A brokered convention isn’t too far behind though.
|
|
|
Post by Joaquim on Feb 12, 2020 6:41:04 GMT
3/3, Nevada is a lock.
And forget about brokered convention. I got a worse scenario for ya. Bernie wins outright, Bloomberg runs as an independent because fuck him and gets Romney for VP or some other snake centrist from either party, no one hits 270 electoral votes and the election goes to the Democrat controlled House of Representatives. President Bloomberg.
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Feb 12, 2020 7:11:06 GMT
I don't see how Bernie isn't the frontrunner after this. I've underestimated Buttigieg so far but he seems like too much of a lightweight to be a factor on super Tuesday or nationwide. Biden will win some southern primaries to stay in it but there clearly isn't mass enthusiasm for him and his national numbers have tanked. Warren's not getting enough support to "split" the vote. Really don't see who can stop him at this point.
|
|